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Post by hawth121087 on Oct 4, 2014 8:13:36 GMT
Has anyone read it and able to shed any details?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 8:35:16 GMT
Dunno but I should imagine it's a big watch considering how much money he earns,that probably tells him the time whenever he needs to know it.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 9:23:32 GMT
Has anyone read it and able to shed any details? Is there?
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Post by cozmick on Oct 4, 2014 9:30:55 GMT
Dunno but I should imagine it's a big watch considering how much money he earns,that probably tells him the time whenever he needs to know it. I laughed......regrettably
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 9:48:10 GMT
Has anyone read it and able to shed any details? Is there? Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. The only thing the cock wipe Kay says as a positive is that he is a better defender now than when he was thrown to the lions against Sweden on his only cap.
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Post by Gods on Oct 4, 2014 10:12:01 GMT
Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. The only thing the cock wipe Kay says as a positive is that he is a better defender now than when he was thrown to the lions against Sweden on his only cap. crikey - he's not even right on the only positive point at the end Ryan has been consistently excellent starting long before the end of 2012. In short, fuck him
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 10:16:02 GMT
Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. The only thing the cock wipe Kay says as a positive is that he is a better defender now than when he was thrown to the lions against Sweden on his only cap. crikey - he's not even right on the only positive point at the end Ryan has been consistently excellent starting long before the end of 2012. In short, fuck him I've been thinking as well. Can he play for Wales anyway as he's got that cap? Or don't friendlies count?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 10:17:39 GMT
Dunno but I should imagine it's a big watch considering how much money he earns,that probably tells him the time whenever he needs to know it.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Oct 4, 2014 10:32:34 GMT
To be fair, its a pretty accurate assessment of Hodgson's idiocy rather than a go at Shawcross. He is a better defender than he was two years ago because he's constantly improving. Very sad for him really.
• Perhaps it is time for Ryan Shawcross to start exploring his Welsh heritage. After making his England debut in a friendly against Sweden in 2012, the Stoke City captain said that he had only ever wanted to represent England, but perhaps that will change now that it seems abundantly clear that he will not add to that solitary cap for as long as Roy Hodgson is in charge.
That much was brought home by the latest England squad. With several defenders injured and Calum Chambers and Luke Shaw dropping down to the under-21 squad for their play-off against Croatia, Hodgson called up just six defenders rather than add names “just for the sake of it”, as he put it. If Gary Cahill, John Stones, Phil Jagielka or Nathaniel Clyne picks up an injury, Hodgson said that he would turn to Chambers.
Shawcross might not be viewed as “international class”, but he is a better defender now than when he endured a chastening international debut at the hands of Zlatan Ibrahimovic in Stockholm. In any case, the bar for English central defenders has not exactly been set high over the past few years — at least not for some of those at more fashionable clubs. Would the latest snub lead Shawcross to declare himself for Wales? That is up to him, and thereafter Chris Coleman, but, as far as England are concerned, the writing on the wall could hardly be clearer."
Oh and happy birthday Ryan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 10:38:18 GMT
Ryan won't be called up for an England squad until after Euro 2016, when England fail yet again and Hodgson is actually removed.
2 years is a long time in football, he may not even be with us by then, he may be rubbish by then. I very much doubt both of those things but unfortunately the first line i've written there re: Hodgson, Ryan and Euro '16 is bob on.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 4, 2014 10:41:08 GMT
crikey - he's not even right on the only positive point at the end Ryan has been consistently excellent starting long before the end of 2012. In short, fuck him I've been thinking as well. Can he play for Wales anyway as he's got that cap? Or don't friendlies count? Friendlies don't count.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 10:50:19 GMT
I've been thinking as well. Can he play for Wales anyway as he's got that cap? Or don't friendlies count? Friendlies don't count. That's it then if I was Ryan I'd be straight on the phone to Aaron Ramsey Chris Coleman. Him and Williams be a decent centre back pairing.
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Post by britsabroad on Oct 4, 2014 10:56:42 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them.
Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder.
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Post by bunnyscfc on Oct 4, 2014 11:06:23 GMT
I really hope Hodgson comes to Stoke to watch a match and gets to understand what many think of his dereliction of duty.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 11:08:24 GMT
Dunno but I should imagine it's a big watch considering how much money he earns,that probably tells him the time whenever he needs to know it. Looks to me like he could do with a couple of links taking out of the strap
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 4, 2014 11:08:35 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. I'm not so sure that they are all "perfectly good defenders". Cahill is fine. Jagielka was ok but is now past his best. You only have to look at the defences of Man Utd and Everton this season to see that neither club has a decent back 4 in terms of defending. A year or so back with Terry and Ferdinand at their best and Cahill forming a good partnership with either of them, England's first centre backs were not a problem - but those days are long gone.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 11:14:29 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. Your first paragraph (which I actually think is bollox) renders your second one pointless. If he isn't any better than the current shower of shite then no-one is going to pick him for England are they? What Stoke fans do realise is that he's head and shoulders a better DEFENDER than any in the current squad. He is no slouch either. Name the last time he got done for pace? And he's nowhere near as bad a footballer as some would have it. He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck.
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 4, 2014 11:22:44 GMT
We've heard so many reasons on here why Ryan hasn't been selected for England and now we have the latest one, it's TP's fault.
In fact Ryan's progress in his career is largely down to Pulis.
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Post by parttimelurker on Oct 4, 2014 11:24:51 GMT
Ryan is not slow, watch him next time he's in a race for the ball. I remember seeing him out-pace Nani.
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Post by malteser68 on Oct 4, 2014 11:30:17 GMT
As long as woy is at the helm Ryan has no chance in hell of ever playing for England. Demented woy made that crystal clear with that last squad selection. If ever he comes to the Brit he deserves to be regaled with a mountain of shit
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 11:31:04 GMT
We've heard so many reasons on here why Ryan hasn't been selected for England and now we have the latest one, it's TP's fault. In fact Ryan's progress in his career is largely down to Pulis. Put your toys back in the pram and show me where I say it's TP's fault? What I actually said is that TP (and Stoke) had a media image of a clogging hoofing team and the one player to suffer most from that negative image is Shawcross. That and the shit he's had to take from the London centric media over the Ramsey injury.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 11:34:45 GMT
As long as woy is at the helm Ryan has no chance in hell of ever playing for England. Demented woy made that crystal clear with that last squad selection. If ever he comes to the Brit he deserves to be regaled with a mountain of shit This. Although he's unlikely to come, unless we're playing Southampton.
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Post by Kjones9 on Oct 4, 2014 11:37:50 GMT
We've heard so many reasons on here why Ryan hasn't been selected for England and now we have the latest one, it's TP's fault. In fact Ryan's progress in his career is largely down to Pulis. Are you still here?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 4, 2014 11:40:22 GMT
Hard to disagree really. What Stoke fans fail to realise is that whilst very good, he offers nothing but risk above the current lot. All of them are perfectly good defenders, thats a given at this level. Ryan isn't particularly good on the ball, he's not especially quick and he has the odd mare of a game. All that applies to Cahill & Co too, but they're tried and tested in the England setup now. They will do the job. Ryan is not. He is a risk, Woy doesn't like risks, and especially not ones that backfired so spectacularly last time he took them. Wales would be a good option if he doesn't want to wait for Hodgson to get canned and hope the new manager isn't such a plodder. Your first paragraph (which I actually think is bollox) renders your second one pointless. If he isn't any better than the current shower of shite then no-one is going to pick him for England are they? What Stoke fans do realise is that he's head and shoulders a better DEFENDER than any in the current squad. He is no slouch either. Name the last time he got done for pace?
And he's nowhere near as bad a footballer as some would have it. He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck. I agree with everything you say. I think I can possibly name the last time he was done for pace. It was, I think, the post Christmas game a couple of years ago at the Brit when he conceded a penalty to Suarez. Liverpool scored the pen, their fans let off smoke flares - and before the smoke had cleared we were 2-1 up! Happy days!
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Post by geoff321 on Oct 4, 2014 11:40:39 GMT
" He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck".
That's not blaming Pulis, well Gravy you and me clearly have a different understanding of the English language.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 11:53:29 GMT
" He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck". That's not blaming Pulis, well Gravy you and me clearly have a different understanding of the English language. Clearly you have no understanding of the English language as it should be 'you and I' not 'you and me'. In this sentence, if you take the word 'you' out, it should still make sense. Unless of course you are Tarzan. Me Geoff, you Jane. I think there should also be a question mark in there somewhere, possibly after Pulis, but as your sentence is so poorly constructed it's hard to say.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Oct 4, 2014 11:54:23 GMT
Well I must have the same understanding as Laughing Gravy, because I read it as Shawcross being tarred with the Hoof perception.... Not directly blaming Pulis...
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Oct 4, 2014 11:56:29 GMT
Your first paragraph (which I actually think is bollox) renders your second one pointless. If he isn't any better than the current shower of shite then no-one is going to pick him for England are they? What Stoke fans do realise is that he's head and shoulders a better DEFENDER than any in the current squad. He is no slouch either. Name the last time he got done for pace?
And he's nowhere near as bad a footballer as some would have it. He was the main one tarred with the Pulis 'Hoof' brush and unfortunately it's stuck. I agree with everything you say. I think I can possibly name the last time he was done for pace. It was, I think, the post Christmas game a couple of years ago at the Brit when he conceded a penalty to Suarez. Liverpool scored the pen, their fans let off smoke flares - and before the smoke had cleared we were 2-1 up! Happy days! I don't think he was done for pace I think he was still taking his tracksuit top off it was so early.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2014 12:07:08 GMT
Dunno but I should imagine it's a big watch considering how much money he earns,that probably tells him the time whenever he needs to know it. I'd stick it in there too
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Post by jaybee on Oct 4, 2014 13:15:44 GMT
Found it now. It was that small. Basically says he's not international class, will never play for England again and should throw in his lot with Wales. Just coz it was small, doesn't mean that you have to misread it To me it says that he must be pi55ed off not being selected by woy so maybe ought to defect to wales
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