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Post by j3st3r on Oct 1, 2014 11:09:40 GMT
Is Rob on holiday... What's going on...? Surely there's no higher priorities in his life..? ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 11:11:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 11:12:45 GMT
They were shite. We weren't as shite as them.
Happy Now ? 
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Post by foster on Oct 1, 2014 11:13:06 GMT
Copy the text from the last report, then find and replace Sunderland with Newcastle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 11:13:28 GMT
I conclude that we won 1-0.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2014 12:08:22 GMT
Just haven't got time this week boys. Would only generally have echoed the general consensus (ie Shawcross, Whelan, Crouch, Bardsley, Moses ace). Thought it was like the Leicester game except we actually stuck one of our chances away and they missed their gift this week.
Pleased to see Begovic looking more like himself (have had some surreal conversations lately with people who genuinely want him dropped for Butland), and despite thinking Muniesa deserved his chance I thought his defensive shortcomings were exposed a bit and hammered home to me that Pieters should be first choice (for now).
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Post by mcf on Oct 1, 2014 12:19:14 GMT
Just haven't got time this week boys. Would only generally have echoed the general consensus (ie Shawcross, Whelan, Crouch, Bardsley, Moses ace). Thought it was like the Leicester game except we actually stuck one of our chances away and they missed their gift this week. Pleased to see Begovic looking more like himself (have had some surreal conversations lately with people who genuinely want him dropped for Butland), and despite thinking Muniesa deserved his chance I thought his defensive shortcomings were exposed a bit and hammered home to me that Pieters should be first choice (for now). Keep yourself busy as this style is much better  |
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Post by j3st3r on Oct 1, 2014 12:30:42 GMT
Quite like the abridged version... Maybe you can always start with an exec summary ;-)
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Post by Olgrligm on Oct 1, 2014 12:49:13 GMT
Just haven't got time this week boys. Would only generally have echoed the general consensus (ie Shawcross, Whelan, Crouch, Bardsley, Moses ace). Thought it was like the Leicester game except we actually stuck one of our chances away and they missed their gift this week. Pleased to see Begovic looking more like himself (have had some surreal conversations lately with people who genuinely want him dropped for Butland), and despite thinking Muniesa deserved his chance I thought his defensive shortcomings were exposed a bit and hammered home to me that Pieters should be first choice (for now). I agree with that, but I would like to point out that Muniesa only looked about 10% as dodgy while Moses was on the pitch. While absolutely everything came through their left towards the end of the game, this was largely down to Assaidi deciding that his duties as a winger involved standing on the halfway-line, watching idly as Muniesa dealt with the full back and the winger made a run beyond him. In fact, that was pretty much what happened when they hit the bar at the end. He did play the role in a very strange way though, he seemed to step ten yards further up the pitch than the rest of our defence. On balance, Pieters probably edges it, but Muniesa did put in a couple of excellent crosses again. |
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Post by robstokie on Oct 1, 2014 12:51:46 GMT
Just haven't got time this week boys. Would only generally have echoed the general consensus (ie Shawcross, Whelan, Crouch, Bardsley, Moses ace). Thought it was like the Leicester game except we actually stuck one of our chances away and they missed their gift this week. Pleased to see Begovic looking more like himself (have had some surreal conversations lately with people who genuinely want him dropped for Butland), and despite thinking Muniesa deserved his chance I thought his defensive shortcomings were exposed a bit and hammered home to me that Pieters should be first choice (for now). I agree with that, but I would like to point out that Muniesa only looked about 10% as dodgy while Moses was on the pitch. While absolutely everything came through their left towards the end of the game, this was largely down to Assaidi deciding that his duties as a winger involved standing on the halfway-line, watching idly as Muniesa dealt with the full back and the winger made a run beyond him. In fact, that was pretty much what happened when they hit the bar at the end. He did play the role in a very strange way though, he seemed to step ten yards further up the pitch than the rest of our defence. On balance, Pieters probably edges it, but Muniesa did put in a couple of excellent crosses again. I think Mun is far better coming forward than he is at the defensive part of his role. Is there a possibility that we can use him as a left winger? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 1, 2014 13:00:21 GMT
Muni is better going forward, Erik is better defensively, particular regarding positioning, where he seems to need less last ditch interventions to escape trouble. As pointed out above, Ossie's laissez-faire attitude to defending, especially once Obertan came on, didn't do Muni any favours.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2014 13:07:58 GMT
Muni is better going forward, Erik is better defensively, particular regarding positioning, where he seems to need less last ditch interventions to escape trouble. As pointed out above, Ossie's laissez-faire attitude to defending, especially once Obertan came on, didn't do Muni any favours. Maybe Muniesa in a midfield three with Whelan and N'Zonzi in a 4-3-3? |
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 1, 2014 14:15:56 GMT
Many have suggested Muni in midfield, maybe as an alternative to Whelan as the midfield anchor? I would say it is worthy of consideration, given his tackling ability, engine and decent use of the ball.
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 1, 2014 14:19:57 GMT
Many have suggested Muni in midfield, maybe as an alternative to Whelan as the midfield anchor? I would say it is worthy of consideration, given his tackling ability, engine and decent use of the ball. I can see the argument Jezza but I don't think he reads the game anything like as well as Whelan. His positioning does concern me at times. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2014 14:24:25 GMT
Many have suggested Muni in midfield, maybe as an alternative to Whelan as the midfield anchor? I would say it is worthy of consideration, given his tackling ability, engine and decent use of the ball. I was thinking AS WELL as Whelan (and N'Zonzi) mate. So instead of Adam, in the role he's played, when we've gone 4-3-3, like on Monday and against QPR. I obviously wouldn't try him in the hole in a 4-2-3-1. |
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Post by Gods on Oct 1, 2014 14:54:49 GMT
Quite like the abridged version... Maybe you can always start with an exec summary ;-) Yes! An exec summary for 'big hitters' like us who don't have time to meddle with minor detail  |
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Post by jezzascfc on Oct 1, 2014 15:04:47 GMT
Many have suggested Muni in midfield, maybe as an alternative to Whelan as the midfield anchor? I would say it is worthy of consideration, given his tackling ability, engine and decent use of the ball. I was thinking AS WELL as Whelan (and N'Zonzi) mate. So instead of Adam, in the role he's played, when we've gone 4-3-3, like on Monday and against QPR. I obviously wouldn't try him in the hole in a 4-2-3-1. Wouldn't we be back with Crouch being too isolated up front on his own, though, especially with Diouf out for a while now? I'd prefer at least 1 of the middle three to be more attacking in nature, to link play going forward. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2014 15:30:31 GMT
Quite like the abridged version... Maybe you can always start with an exec summary ;-) Yes! An exec summary for 'big hitters' like us who don't have time to meddle with minor detail Nah, you need to read the whole thing Gods. Twice ideally. |
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 1, 2014 15:43:44 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Oct 1, 2014 15:58:57 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite. Good point - our management team should find the money for a coach specialising in set pieces - including corners. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 1, 2014 16:04:48 GMT
I was thinking AS WELL as Whelan (and N'Zonzi) mate. So instead of Adam, in the role he's played, when we've gone 4-3-3, like on Monday and against QPR. I obviously wouldn't try him in the hole in a 4-2-3-1. Wouldn't we be back with Crouch being too isolated up front on his own, though, especially with Diouf out for a while now? I'd prefer at least 1 of the middle three to be more attacking in nature, to link play going forward.
Crouch wouldn't be any more isolated than he was against Newcastle or QPR, Adam didn't play in the hole in either of those games.
As for Diouf being out, well that's a complete other kettle of fish altogether and for the games that he is out, I'd be very sorely tempted to go 4-4-2 with Bojan playing alongside Crouch, with Arnie and Moses either side of Whelan and N'Zonzi in midfield.
I don't think Hughes will do though, I think he'll go 4-2-3-1 with Ireland in hole and Arnie and Moses either side of him.
The problem with that for me, is that Arnie won't get anywhere near as close to Crouch as Diouf has being doing and we also won't have replaced Diouf's goal threat.
Going 4-4-2 with Bojan alongside Crouch addresses both of those issues, although of course we lose Ireland/a third man in the middle.
I guess it depends which issues you place the most importance on.
Both Arnie and Moses are more than capable of putting in stellar defensive shifts when necessary and that might make up for the lack of the third man in midfield.
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 1, 2014 16:11:41 GMT
I agree absolutely, 4-4-2 with Bojan playing off Crouch must be given a go at some point. It may not come off, but it could be the key to unlock the door. Either way Hughes has to find out.
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Post by swampmongrel on Oct 1, 2014 16:24:03 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite. Good point - our management team should find the money for a coach specialising in set pieces - including corners. Kempy? |
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Post by thestatusquo on Oct 1, 2014 16:29:37 GMT
I agree absolutely, 4-4-2 with Bojan playing off Crouch must be given a go at some point. It may not come off, but it could be the key to unlock the door. Either way Hughes has to find out. I'm not sure he does myway. When he's played he hasn't really performed and in this league you don't get the luxury of time to experiment. He's played twice and been ineffective in both games and appears to be a luxury we can't afford at the moment. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 1, 2014 16:37:49 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite. yes good point. Hopefully we have been working on them in training. This week at Stoke training - "how to do an attacking corner" and next week: "How to take a long throw" I do miss some things from the TP years. He could be a "special teams" coach like they have in NFL. If we could add set-piece goals to our play we would be top 5 contenders surely! Imagine a welsh dream team of MH & TP |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Oct 1, 2014 16:38:28 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite. Good point - our management team should find the money for a coach specialising in set pieces - including corners. haha you thought of it first! |
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Post by ohbottom on Oct 1, 2014 16:42:04 GMT
One conclusion for me was that at least we defended set pieces well, they must've had about 20 corners and free kicks, most of which were delivered quite well. From memory we had 2, both of which were shite. yes good point. Hopefully we have been working on them in training. This week at Stoke training - "how to do an attacking corner" and next week: "How to take a long throw" I do miss some things from the TP years. He could be a "special teams" coach like they have in NFL. If we could add set-piece goals to our play we would be top 5 contenders surely! Imagine a welsh dream team of MH & TP Haha, yeah, I imagine a training session where a pumpkin is put on top of a 7 ft pole and the defenders take it in turns trying to knock it off from 70yds back. |
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Post by mywaydesolzan on Oct 1, 2014 17:11:46 GMT
He has been played out of position in two games thestatus, according to Hughes himself. Hughes signed the lad, he will have to back him at some point. We really need a goal scorer, 15-20 a season, within our squad we don't have one. Unless Hughes can get it out of Bojan.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Oct 1, 2014 17:14:30 GMT
He has been played out of position in two games thestatus, according to Hughes himself. Hughes signed the lad, he will have to back him at some point. We really need a goal scorer, 15-20 a season, within our squad we don't have one. Unless Hughes can get it out of Bojan. Diouf more likely than Bojan you'd think. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 17:42:16 GMT
He has been played out of position in two games thestatus, according to Hughes himself. Hughes signed the lad, he will have to back him at some point. We really need a goal scorer, 15-20 a season, within our squad we don't have one. Unless Hughes can get it out of Bojan. Diouf more likely than Bojan you'd think. Maybe. Bojan certainly knew where the net was in pre season though. From Hughes' interview the other day he's the best finisher in training too. It's another thing delivering on match day of course but he definitely has the potential to be a goalscorer. |
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