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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2014 21:52:05 GMT
For the first time since he came to Stoke I've realised that I'd prefer N Zonzi out of the team. He can be class etc etc but tonight he was so negative it was unreal. The amount of times he got near attacking positions and then either passed backwards or walked was unreal. The fact that he's put in 2 transfer requests too means he obviously doesn't want to be here and he's here for the money until a better club comes along but that aint gonna happen. Good riddance for all I care, i've completely gone off the arrogant, moody fucker. And in this one post you see exactly why he has become the boo boy. He's put in 2 transfer requests! Has he? He definitely put in one under Pulis' stewardship. The alleged one this summer is/was a regurgitaton of old news that has now become fact. Amid all the rumours N'zonzi insisted he was happy at Stoke and enjoying his football and Hughes, when questioned, said exactly the same. Keep up the mindless abuse he got tonight and who could blame him for wanting to leave. Someone said he was the reason we didn't look impressive. Well we looked damn impressive to me and yet again, had we won 5 no-one could have had any complaints.
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Post by stokecitydom on Sept 29, 2014 21:54:46 GMT
He made one poor decision where he turned back instead of giving it to Diouf. After that he was absolutely fine & by far our most calm & composed player.
He is probably the only player in our team who I complete confidence in retaining & looking after the ball. Yet we seem to have some complete morons who were desperate to get on his back if he didn't go forwards. It was pathetic & shows a complete lack of any basic understanding of football.
Let's jeer & moan at him & get him replaced by a dean whitehead hit & hurry player...
Keep it up N'Zonzi lad, there's plenty of Stoke fans out there who can see what your doing and appreciate it. Ignore the vocal & uneducated minority.
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Sept 29, 2014 21:58:57 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 29, 2014 21:58:57 GMT
Dog shit AGAIN tonight . He holds up our attack and gives them chance to sort their defence out. To negative. he holds up the attack xi. Most if the time he has no-one to pass the ball to, so he prefers to keep the ball rather than give if Away. As he should do in fact
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Post by upthefud on Sept 29, 2014 22:02:10 GMT
For the first time since he came to Stoke I've realised that I'd prefer N Zonzi out of the team. He can be class etc etc but tonight he was so negative it was unreal. The amount of times he got near attacking positions and then either passed backwards or walked was unreal. The fact that he's put in 2 transfer requests too means he obviously doesn't want to be here and he's here for the money until a better club comes along but that aint gonna happen. Good riddance for all I care, i've completely gone off the arrogant, moody fucker. And in this one post you see exactly why he has become the boo boy. He's put in 2 transfer requests! Has he? He definitely put in one under Pulis' stewardship. The alleged one this summer is/was a regurgitaton of old news that has now become fact. Amid all the rumours N'zonzi insisted he was happy at Stoke and enjoying his football and Hughes, when questioned, said exactly the same. Keep up the mindless abuse he got tonight and who could blame him for wanting to leave. Someone said he was the reason we didn't look impressive. Well we looked damn impressive to me and yet again, had we won 5 no-one could have had any complaints. Come on Dave wake up. Second half we were excellent but first half we could have gone in 3/4-1 down with Shawcross and Bego
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 29, 2014 22:03:45 GMT
I don't think he was poor at all tonight. Au contraire I think he was one if our best players
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Post by matelot1996 on Sept 29, 2014 22:05:59 GMT
For the first time since he came to Stoke I've realised that I'd prefer N Zonzi out of the team. He can be class etc etc but tonight he was so negative it was unreal. The amount of times he got near attacking positions and then either passed backwards or walked was unreal. The fact that he's put in 2 transfer requests too means he obviously doesn't want to be here and he's here for the money until a better club comes along but that aint gonna happen. Good riddance for all I care, i've completely gone off the arrogant, moody fucker. And in this one post you see exactly why he has become the boo boy. He's put in 2 transfer requests! Has he? He definitely put in one under Pulis' stewardship. The alleged one this summer is/was a regurgitaton of old news that has now become fact. Amid all the rumours N'zonzi insisted he was happy at Stoke and enjoying his football and Hughes, when questioned, said exactly the same. Keep up the mindless abuse he got tonight and who could blame him for wanting to leave. Someone said he was the reason we didn't look impressive. Well we looked damn impressive to me and yet again, had we won 5 no-one could have had any complaints. If you thought Stoke looked impressive tonight you are very easily pleased. They looked impressive for extremely short periods, otherwise they were bang average and incredibly frustrating. This, in part was due to the ability of our midfield not to take advantage of an attacking situation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:07:48 GMT
I have never read such fucking shit in my life. Nzonzi labelled appalling, rubbish, dogshit, crap ect etc. Admittadley I found him frustrating at times again and he calmed it down a bit too much in good areas but my god take that lad out the team and watch us struggle. The bloke is vital to how we play. Some folk really have been brainwashed by anti football shit.
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Sept 29, 2014 22:08:06 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 29, 2014 22:08:06 GMT
And in this one post you see exactly why he has become the boo boy. He's put in 2 transfer requests! Has he? He definitely put in one under Pulis' stewardship. The alleged one this summer is/was a regurgitaton of old news that has now become fact. Amid all the rumours N'zonzi insisted he was happy at Stoke and enjoying his football and Hughes, when questioned, said exactly the same. Keep up the mindless abuse he got tonight and who could blame him for wanting to leave. Someone said he was the reason we didn't look impressive. Well we looked damn impressive to me and yet again, had we won 5 no-one could have had any complaints. Come on Dave wake up. Second half we were excellent but first half we could have gone in 3/4-1 down with Shawcross and Bego Equally the game could and should have been out of sight. We had countless chances, situations and should have had a penalty and they had one shot from which Bego made a stunning save. I thought they looked a decent side first half to be fair but the problems they caused had everything to do with Muniesa finding his feet (he went on to have a good game after a torrid start) and Adam clearly being injured and little to do with N'zonzi's performance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:11:29 GMT
Call me uneducated what ever you want but Nzonzi slows it down far too much for my liking. He was poor for me tonight. In the second half at one point he had the whole pitch in front of him and he went on a charge, got to the half way line and just stopped, there was absolutely no-one anywhere near him.
On his day he can be imperious but for me he just does not contribute enough. If we are going to play in the way Hughes wants we have to shift the ball quicker. For me the crowd were frustrated and nothing more. Would I drop him? Probably not but he needs a rocket up his arse.
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Sept 29, 2014 22:23:17 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 29, 2014 22:23:17 GMT
Come on Dave wake up. Second half we were excellent but first half we could have gone in 3/4-1 down with Shawcross and Bego Equally the game could and should have been out of sight. We had countless chances, situations and should have had a penalty and they had one shot from which Bego made a stunning save. I thought they looked a decent side first half to be fair but the problems they caused had everything to do with Muniesa finding his feet (he went on to have a good game after a torrid start) and Adam clearly being injured and little to do with N'zonzi's performance. I share your view with Muniesa. They looked a good side because we allowed them to. We didn't insert any pressure on the ball whatsoever and 8/10 when we had the chance to break we spun it around, slowed it down and allowed them to re-group. N'Zonzi for me was the reason they had it so easy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:26:13 GMT
Equally the game could and should have been out of sight. We had countless chances, situations and should have had a penalty and they had one shot from which Bego made a stunning save. I thought they looked a decent side first half to be fair but the problems they caused had everything to do with Muniesa finding his feet (he went on to have a good game after a torrid start) and Adam clearly being injured and little to do with N'zonzi's performance. I share your view with Muniesa. They looked a good side because we allowed them to. We didn't insert any pressure on the ball whatsoever and 8/10 when we had the chance to break we spun it around, slowed it down and allowed them to re-group. N'Zonzi for me was the reason they had it so easy. I actually agree with this, they had far too much time on the ball. Whelan was the only midfielder applying any pressure.
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Sept 29, 2014 22:26:57 GMT
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Sept 29, 2014 22:26:57 GMT
He's an outstanding player. That's in no doubt.
But he definitely had a poorer game tonight. Did a great job of going looking for the ball only to choose the wrong pass or hold on to it for far too long.
But its not his work on the ball that bothered me, he was pretty bloody absent at times leaving Glen to work his arse off covering. That being said, that's most probably how he's instructed.
Mixed bag. Can do better. Will do better. But don't have a go at folks for getting justifiably frustrated.
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Post by werrington on Sept 29, 2014 22:27:47 GMT
Indoctrinated ?.....no idea about the game ?
Call it want you want but that booing was fucking embarrassing of the highest order.....I was cringing
The ironic thing about it all is those booing are the first ones moaning when we just hoof it to nobody
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Sept 29, 2014 22:30:16 GMT
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Post by upthefud on Sept 29, 2014 22:30:16 GMT
Indoctrinated ?.....no idea about the game ? Call it want you want but that booing was fucking embarrassing of the highest order.....I was cringing The ironic thing about it all is those booing are the first ones moaning when we just hoof it to nobody Every time he got the ball he spun back to the defence. He broke up our play more than Newcastle did! Yes we shouldn't boo but we used to boo when we lumped it, there's a balance to be struck and when you play on the break you simply cannot afford to slow the ball down.
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Post by steve66 on Sept 29, 2014 22:34:01 GMT
Zonzi had quite a few opportunities to thrust forward just like that yaya does at man city, thing is he has the ability to do this as shown on the odd occasion, second to Arnie as most frustrating player on the pitch.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Sept 29, 2014 22:35:56 GMT
N'Zonzi is technically our best midfielder but he is far from our most effective, which is what matters at the end of the day. For all his ability, he rarely puts in a killer pass, cannot shoot and does not like to do the dirty work. In terms of keeping possession, however, he is imperious but he could be much more than that.
I felt he was poor tonight and offered no support whatsoever to Whelan who was immense. I felt Colback and Tiote were a better pair than ours tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:36:34 GMT
Indoctrinated ?.....no idea about the game ? Call it want you want but that booing was fucking embarrassing of the highest order.....I was cringing The ironic thing about it all is those booing are the first ones moaning when we just hoof it to nobody Every time he got the ball he spun back to the defence. He broke up our play more than Newcastle did! Yes we shouldn't boo but we used to boo when we lumped it, there's a balance to be struck and when you play on the break you simply cannot afford to slow the ball down. Sums it up perfectly. There's no point in getting all high and mighty and slagging people off for being uneducated or not knowing a good footballer when you see one but the above post is spot on. For me there is no doubt he's a very good player but for me tonight he was Newcastle's best defensive midfield player. The number of times he spun back was crazy and there was plenty of forward balls available to him.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 29, 2014 22:38:00 GMT
Only thing I can think of is that 99% of stoke fans have never played a game of football in their life's. Would you drather Nzonzi play a forward pass to an isolated crouch, run 40 yards on his own to only inevitably give the ball away, or slow play down and retain possession? Clueless idiots who don't know football at all.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 29, 2014 22:40:38 GMT
Thought N'Zonzi had a poor game tonight and like people have said he stopped several attacks by us with crazy pass backs to players when he should have driven forward.At one point in the 2nd half he looked like he just stopped when the crowd got on at him and thought fook it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 22:43:15 GMT
Only thing I can think of is that 99% of stoke fans have never played a game of football in their life's. Would you drather Nzonzi play a forward pass to an isolated crouch, run 40 yards on his own to only inevitably give the ball away, or slow play down and retain possession? Clueless idiots who don't know football at all. This is total rubbish and exactly what I am talking about. There was plenty of simple balls available to him in a forward direction. When you're playing counter attacking football, the ball has to be shifted quickly. He had the whole of the right hand side to run into in the second half with no-one anywhere near him, he went on a charge got to the half way line and unbelievably stopped with no one within twenty yards of him. He needs a rocket, he needs to do more.
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Post by ParaPsych on Sept 29, 2014 22:48:06 GMT
I think people are burying their heads in the sand a bit if they can't see his quite clear limitations. He's not the player some think he is. However he is what he is and he's exceptional at certain things. We've had him a couple of years now and know full well what his strengths and weaknesses are so I don't understand why people get their knickers in such a twist when he doesn't play killer passes or carry the ball. It's just not in his game and likely never will be. I don't expect Charlie Adam to charge up the pitch with the ball and I don't expect Whelan to suddenly turn into Pirlo, so why lumber such expectations on N'zonzi?
Until we sign someone who can do such things I'm quite happy with the midfield we have.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Sept 29, 2014 22:51:33 GMT
He did some good things but far too often , he slows the game , not all his fault a , natural defensive player who was often our most advanced midfield player , he does not have that instinct or confidence to go forward often enough to be there
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Post by steve66 on Sept 29, 2014 22:54:20 GMT
Only thing I can think of is that 99% of stoke fans have never played a game of football in their life's. Would you drather Nzonzi play a forward pass to an isolated crouch, run 40 yards on his own to only inevitably give the ball away, or slow play down and retain possession? Clueless idiots who don't know football at all. Bollox mate thing is he has the ability tp run 40/50 yards AND create something!
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 29, 2014 22:56:35 GMT
I think people are burying their heads in the sand a bit if they can't see his quite clear limitations. He's not the player some think he is. However he is what he is and he's exceptional at certain things. We've had him a couple of years now and know full well what his strengths and weaknesses are so I don't understand why people get their knickers in such a twist when he doesn't play killer passes or carry the ball. It's just not in his game and likely never will be. I don't expect Charlie Adam to charge up the pitch with the ball and I don't expect Whelan to suddenly turn into Pirlo, so why lumber such expectations on N'zonzi? Until we sign someone who can do such things I'm quite happy with the midfield we have. Bravo. Some common sense at last. OS doffs flat cap to Para. OS.
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Post by playhowwewant on Sept 29, 2014 22:59:17 GMT
Indoctrinated ?.....no idea about the game ? Call it want you want but that booing was fucking embarrassing of the highest order.....I was cringing The ironic thing about it all is those booing are the first ones moaning when we just hoof it to nobody Absolutely spot on anyone who booed tonight is not a supporter of our fine club, but simply an embarrassment. If anyone on here thinks we are that fuckin great that even when we win we feel the need to boo our own players then god help us ! Truly pathetic !
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Post by tazi on Sept 29, 2014 23:03:28 GMT
At times I thought his first touch was woeful.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Sept 29, 2014 23:05:57 GMT
Nzonzi had a cracker tonight. Kept hold of the ball when there was no pass on. Jesus Christ, there are some right morons on here
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2014 23:07:30 GMT
Nzonzi had a cracker tonight. Kept hold of the ball when there was no pass on. Jesus Christ, there are some right morons on here Your last point is quite ironic if you think he had a cracker.
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 29, 2014 23:07:54 GMT
There were times when he had acres of space in front of him tonight and chances to carry the ball up the pitch. I'm a big fan of N'zonzi and I appreciate the way he keeps hold of the ball, but he didn't make the most of some counter attacking opportunities tonight. I know for a fact that he's capable of carrying the ball forward but he just doesn't seem confident enough to make the runs in fear of losing possession.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Sept 29, 2014 23:09:16 GMT
Nzonzi had a cracker tonight. Kept hold of the ball when there was no pass on. Jesus Christ, there are some right morons on here Your last point is quite ironic if you think he had a cracker. Then lets go back to lumping it forward aimlessly then. That was good to watch.
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