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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2014 11:12:49 GMT
His performances won't be going unnoticed beyond Stoke.
So do we think he's got ANY future at Chelsea? (Probably not?)
If not, what level of team would be sniffing given he's already 'failed' at Liverpool (harsh given his lack of opportunity and rivals for a place) and understandably not been able to force the issue at Chelsea against world-class competiton
There are only so many spots for regular starters at places like Everton adn Spurs, so could we be a nice place for him to put down roots?
Wages said to be around the 50k mark, so not totally out of range
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2014 11:13:57 GMT
We'll be keeping him, no probs.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2014 11:16:29 GMT
What do we think he'd cost?
It wasn't revealed how long his Chelsea contract was when he signed 2 yrs ago - but he cost around £9m and must have at least 2 years left on his deal.
With the inflation of transfer fees, we'd be looking at about that, wouldn't we?
Which would be the biggest fee we've paid since Crouchy.
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Post by scfcrmagic on Sept 22, 2014 11:17:00 GMT
He's absolute quality ...it would be brilliant if we could sign him .. we've got him for the whole season at least ....
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Post by lordb on Sept 22, 2014 11:17:52 GMT
Stoke & Moses will tick a lot of each others boxes
bound to be competition for him of course.
Will Coates agree the deal?
surely he would?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 11:22:21 GMT
When a player has had a couple of failures - if that's how you look at his time at Chelsea and Liverpool, then he probably starts to look more favourably towards a club where things are going right. Bigger clubs than us might also take a slightly one-dimensional view that he can't cut it at a top club. I think we'd be in the driving seat.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 11:23:40 GMT
What do we think he'd cost? It wasn't revealed how long his Chelsea contract was when he signed 2 yrs ago - but he cost around £9m and must have at least 2 years left on his deal. With the inflation of transfer fees, we'd be looking at about that, wouldn't we? Which would be the biggest fee we've paid since Crouchy. Yes, it would, but on the evidence that we have seen so far, it would be worth it! One thing which might put a ceiling on any fee is the fact that he didn't pull up any trees at Liverpool. OK, he played 16 times for them and I assume some of those would be sub appearances. But he doesn't seem to have impressed the fans or the manager sufficiently to put in any bids this summer. Obviously all this proves is that a player can "click" at one club but not at another in the same league. Even so, it will inevitably rule out some potential bidders (top 4 clubs) and put an upper limit on what others (such as Spurs and Everton) would pay. Fingers crossed it works out for us. He certainly seems to have no regrets about joining us on loan and all players like to be where they are loved - providing, of course, that the price is right. EDIT: I'd certainly try to tie up the deal in January if we could. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 11:24:18 GMT
If we can do it we simply have to sign him. Big test this one for new Bet365.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2014 11:30:32 GMT
If we can do it we simply have to sign him. Big test this one for new Bet365. They could afford any fee they need to pay if they want him.Even C. Ronaldo is affordable and his wages. |
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 22, 2014 11:32:57 GMT
If we want to stay in the Premiership, then these are the type of players we need to be signing,going for cheaper options will sooner or later get you relegated.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 22, 2014 11:36:31 GMT
What do we think he'd cost? It wasn't revealed how long his Chelsea contract was when he signed 2 yrs ago - but he cost around £9m and must have at least 2 years left on his deal. With the inflation of transfer fees, we'd be looking at about that, wouldn't we? Which would be the biggest fee we've paid since Crouchy. Yes, it would, but on the evidence that we have seen so far, it would be worth it! One thing which might put a ceiling on any fee is the fact that he didn't pull up any trees at Liverpool. OK, he played 16 times for them and I assume some of those would be sub appearances. But he doesn't seem to have impressed the fans or the manager sufficiently to put in any bids this summer. Obviously all this proves is that a player can "click" at one club but not at another in the same league. Even so, it will inevitably rule out some potential bidders (top 4 clubs) and put an upper limit on what others (such as Spurs and Everton) would pay. Fingers crossed it works out for us. He certainly seems to have no regrets about joining us on loan and all players like to be where they are loved - providing, of course, that the price is right. EDIT: I'd certainly try to tie up the deal in January if we could.
Ten were, he only started six times for them - Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge went through the whole season virtually injury free, although Suarez did obviously miss the first few games.
A lot of people don't realise how good his record at Chelsea was - he scored 10 and had 4 assists.
He's easy worth £12 million, a club like Southampton would be the biggest threat to us, if they're still flying come January, I think you can forget the top six being interested unless he suddenly goes stratospheric with his performances in the next few months, Everton could be a worry I suppose.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 22, 2014 11:38:38 GMT
The thing is, we are going to have to do something in Jan. With Oddie out and Moses and Diouf probably on their way to the African Nations cup thingy, we will be short for a few games
Sign Moses and get the kiddie from Barca on loan who is not getting games for them despite them keeping him? Mind you Muni and Bojan may not attest to getting loads of game time
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2014 11:40:11 GMT
Yes, it would, but on the evidence that we have seen so far, it would be worth it! One thing which might put a ceiling on any fee is the fact that he didn't pull up any trees at Liverpool. OK, he played 16 times for them and I assume some of those would be sub appearances. But he doesn't seem to have impressed the fans or the manager sufficiently to put in any bids this summer. Obviously all this proves is that a player can "click" at one club but not at another in the same league. Even so, it will inevitably rule out some potential bidders (top 4 clubs) and put an upper limit on what others (such as Spurs and Everton) would pay. Fingers crossed it works out for us. He certainly seems to have no regrets about joining us on loan and all players like to be where they are loved - providing, of course, that the price is right. EDIT: I'd certainly try to tie up the deal in January if we could.
Ten were, he only started six times for them - Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge went through the whole season virtually injury free, although Suarez did obviously miss the first few games.
A lot of people don't realise how good his record at Chelsea was - he scored 10 and had 4 assists.
He's easy worth £12 million, a club like Southampton would be the biggest threat to us, if they're still flying come January, I think you can forget the top six being interested unless he suddenly goes stratospheric with his performances in the next few months, Everton could be a worry I suppose.
 Although, as you say, Southampton could emerge too? |
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Sept 22, 2014 11:40:34 GMT
Considering we are now operating very shrewdly, you would think that when the right player comes along like Victor, we would be willing to splash the cash. Our main problem could be competition from other sides such as Everton, Spurs, Southampton e.t.c for his signature which might appeal to him.
If he does want to come here and we aren't willing to pay the required money for him, then we are on a slippery slope. He offers us a huge amount on the pitch yet would still have a re sale value due to his age.
If he wants to stay we just have to push the boat out for him. I reckon there's a good chance we will too
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Post by foster on Sept 22, 2014 11:46:56 GMT
If we improve on last season then yes. I don't think it will be a problem.
If we continue dropping points when he's performing well then no. He'll become frustrated.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 22, 2014 11:48:32 GMT
Given Martinez's glowing priase re Moses, it's very odd he didn't loan him in the summer - and instead went for the other Chelsea winger, Atsu. Maybe he tried and it wasn't a runner for one reason or another?
I'd still be worried about that potential link-up though.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 22, 2014 12:41:39 GMT
Then let's buy Yarmolenko in January, thereby alleviating the pressure to buy Moses if someone else stepped in at the season's end. Obviously he might agree to sign in January but he might also want to see what his options are.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 22, 2014 12:45:34 GMT
Then let's buy Yarmolenko in January, thereby alleviating the pressure to buy Moses if someone else stepped in at the season's end. Obviously he might agree to sign in January but he might also want to see what his options are. Yarmolenko will be cheap as he would be in the last 6 months of his contract - although that means a) he'll demand a bigger signing on fee and b) he might be tempted elsewhere for Champion's League games. |
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Post by prem4stoke on Sept 22, 2014 12:48:59 GMT
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Post by Clem Fandango on Sept 22, 2014 12:49:28 GMT
I think he'd cost around 15 mill. I think Chelsea would be tempted to sell if the profit margin is high enough and if he cost 9 mill then 15 mill you'd think would be sufficient. Obviously Chelsea's recruitment and sales policy of recent years has been to snap up young talent keep for a few years then sell on at a slightly higher price so they can use the profit money to balance the books for bigger signings. I think Moses is one of those players who is really only transisting through Stamford Bridge for this reason rather than being a longer term investment.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 22, 2014 13:01:55 GMT
Hes a player that will keep us in the Premier League for the next 5 or 6 six seasons as long as he is fit. Probably worth up to 15 million easily. A lot of clubs would be interested in him Im sure
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Post by richscfc on Sept 22, 2014 13:02:07 GMT
I think we'll agree a sum of around £7-12 million.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2014 13:41:21 GMT
Is he actuality any better than Assaidi? I'm not convinced yet
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 22, 2014 14:02:49 GMT
Is he actuality any better than Assaidi? I'm not convinced yet I like Assaidi but think Moses is in another postcode to be honest. |
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 22, 2014 14:03:33 GMT
Moses is worth £10m of anyone's money in the form he is in at present. We must stand a good chance as the club in possession - if he continues to get a regular start and plays good football in a decent team. Coates has often expressed the view that if the manager puts forward a good argument for a signing within our price range, he will do all he can to make it happen. Moses' case would be a good one to start backing up those words once the next window opens.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 22, 2014 14:25:02 GMT
Is he actuality any better than Assaidi? I'm not convinced yet Yes. |
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Post by adamsson on Sept 22, 2014 15:11:43 GMT
Is he actuality any better than Assaidi? I'm not convinced yet he looks a lot bigger and stronger than Assaidi and he has more premiership experience and is a few years younger |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2014 15:27:13 GMT
I think we'll agree a sum of around £7-12 million. I'm sure I've seen somewhere that he was available for around £7M! Maybe that was when he went to Lpool, but I really can't see why that amount should be so much higher now if we have a deal in place to make him a pemanent signing? If no such deal was struck we could end up paying a lot more of course! I guess Hull, Southampton and West Ham will be interested at some point too as usual!  |
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 22, 2014 15:29:02 GMT
Is he actuality any better than Assaidi? I'm not convinced yet he looks a lot bigger and stronger than Assaidi and he has more premiership experience and is a few years younger Much stronger and much faster, but I think Assaidi has a better eye for goals!  |
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Post by 2004 on Sept 22, 2014 15:36:09 GMT
Moses will get a lot of assists for us. I really like the look of him so far.
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