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Post by scfc75 on Sept 21, 2014 19:13:59 GMT
Whether he picks Ryan or not, whilst Hodgson remains in charge the national team will continue to lurch from one disastrous tournament to the next.
Proved that he's not cut out for a big job more than once but the FA are too stubborn to admit he's not the man to take us forward. The fact that we're in such a weak group for the Euro's guarantees him a job until we bomb out before the knockout stages in France.
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Post by march4 on Sept 21, 2014 19:15:02 GMT
It is good for SCFC if Ryan doesn't play for England.
It isn't good for Ryan though!!
Dobing, Denis and Greenhoff were similarly frozen out.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 21, 2014 19:28:53 GMT
Whether he picks Ryan or not, whilst Hodgson remains in charge the national team will continue to lurch from one disastrous tournament to the next. Proved that he's not cut out for a big job more than once but the FA are too stubborn to admit he's not the man to take us forward. The fact that we're in such a weak group for the Euro's guarantees him a job until we bomb out before the knockout stages in France. Woy is a puppet of the FA.That is why he kept his job after the world cup debacle.Any other self respecting manager would have quit after those embarrassing performances.All the FA care about is making money.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 21, 2014 19:52:45 GMT
I don't know how people on here can defend Ryan? That is blatant cheating. If we are not good enough to train and compete without that, then why do we bother at all. We are definitely the only team to do it ever.
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Post by potter25 on Sept 21, 2014 20:02:23 GMT
I think it is more a case that woy has his favourite clubs and matches to watch. Is he watching Man city v Chelsea today? Anybody have a list of prem matches he has attended since becoming england manager? I am sure if ryan moved to a bigger club he would walk into the england team. Although i think there is only one place up for grabs as i do think cahill is our best defender. Or any game involving Southampton..
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 21, 2014 20:06:16 GMT
you really want to get your red n white blinkers off- shawcross is not good enough for international football- watch yesterdays game- he was dreadful and singlehandedly cost all 3 points with awful defending. he could have cost us the lot if the ref gave a pen- ffs hes at is level which a mid to lower half prem club hes no better Well one of the our top football journalists thinks he deserves another chance so I'm clearly not alone.
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Post by iwwwsatv on Sept 21, 2014 20:14:20 GMT
Forget Ryan in this debate and simply look at it as any player from an unfashionable team (and that is most out of the top 6) It is about players picking players not the manager.
In the Ryan debate the Ramsey issue is the problem, there is no way Ryan will get in the squad while Ramsey is there. (Whether Ryan is good enough or not) Ramsey, Wilshire, Walcott, Chamberlain will make sure Ryan did not get a welcome, they would freeze him out of any training or even a game. Hodgson is a puppet in all this.
Nothing has changed over the years, this year, this manager, these players, that world cup, the Euros.... players power.
Unless a manager is willing to stand up to the likes of Terry, Lampard, Ramsey, Wilshire, Hart and the others and tell them that he picks the team and if they want to be part of the England squad they play by his rules. In other words we need a manager with a pair of hairy balls
Its never going to happen
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 21, 2014 20:15:05 GMT
you really want to get your red n white blinkers off- shawcross is not good enough for international football- watch yesterdays game- he was dreadful and singlehandedly cost all 3 points with awful defending. he could have cost us the lot if the ref gave a pen- ffs hes at is level which a mid to lower half prem club hes no better Singlehandedly??? The 0nly thing he did different t0 any 0ther defender, English 0r 0therwise, was t0 win 2 fantastic tackles that launched us 0n s0me m0re attacks. Grappling whilst defending set pieces is d0ne by every defender in the c0untry as evidenced in the Liverp00l v West Ham game yesterday and t0days games inv0lving Manure, Leicester, Man City, Chelsea, Dundee and Dundee United. Its even happening in t0nights Barcel0na game.
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Post by maxdecarlo on Sept 21, 2014 20:15:11 GMT
top journalist- only in his own opinion- he is full of his self importance- cant stand the guy- never saw him praising anything to do with stoke when tp here
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Post by werrington on Sept 21, 2014 20:16:27 GMT
you really want to get your red n white blinkers off- shawcross is not good enough for international football- watch yesterdays game- he was dreadful and singlehandedly cost all 3 points with awful defending. he could have cost us the lot if the ref gave a pen- ffs hes at is level which a mid to lower half prem club hes no better Well one of the our top football journalists thinks he deserves another chance so I'm clearly not alone. So why is he not actively banging the drum then mate ?
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Post by fentonstokie1 on Sept 21, 2014 21:26:27 GMT
Forget Ryan in this debate and simply look at it as any player from an unfashionable team (and that is most out of the top 6) It is about players picking players not the manager. In the Ryan debate the Ramsey issue is the problem, there is no way Ryan will get in the squad while Ramsey is there. (Whether Ryan is good enough or not) Ramsey, Wilshire, Walcott, Chamberlain will make sure Ryan did not get a welcome, they would freeze him out of any training or even a game. Hodgson is a puppet in all this. Nothing has changed over the years, this year, this manager, these players, that world cup, the Euros.... players power. Unless a manager is willing to stand up to the likes of Terry, Lampard, Ramsey, Wilshire, Hart and the others and tell them that he picks the team and if they want to be part of the England squad they play by his rules. In other words we need a manager with a pair of hairy balls Its never going to happen Ramsey isn't there (in the England squad) he's welsh!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 21:34:53 GMT
The one aspect to Shawxross's style of play is his tendency to grab hold of players inside our penalty area which is bound to provoke comments of dirty or foul play. Huth is much the same and one can only assume that this trait was actively coached and encouraged under Pulis. I think he is much better than some centre halves I can think of and does deserve at least another chance on the international stage
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Post by BuzzB on Sept 21, 2014 21:49:12 GMT
Grappling at corners goes on everywhere why BT the commentator and pundits decided to highlight Ryan is anyones guess. FFS Liverpool were on BT enough last season and Skirtle and Agger are the worst offenders of all! That tackle on Krankjar was hard but fair, a good old fashioned challenge, even Keown didn't diss it. He got enough of the ball. Bloor Smith Hunter Yeats etc would have been proud of that, Tommy Smith lived on em!! Ryan is an old school defender, something England are short of.
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Post by scarlet on Sept 21, 2014 23:49:10 GMT
A few genuine questions for Henry Winter and his peers to publicly consider:
Who is the most incompetent? The international debutant who is sent on in the latter stages of a game to mark an experienced international striker at the peak of his talents who has made muppets of more experienced defenders in the same game? (all of whom were given further opportunities to redeem themselves by being included in future squads). Or the manager who made that decision???
If Ryan's supposed lack of discipline is the reason for his non admission into the England squad then please explain the inclusion of Callum Chambers with his 4 yellow cards in 7 premier/champions league appearances for Arsenal this season?
If his defending skills are the reason then why are three defenders from Everton, a team who have conceded 13 goals in 5 league games this season, preferred to the captain of one whose team have conceded ten less?
The strangest reason we keep being told for Hodgson still being England manager (and can anyone think of any other supposed top nation who would employ him after the last World Cup), is because there is no one else good enough. If you were a tradesman and your 'best' spanner broke and became completely useless to you would you keep it because it was good when it worked? Or would you find a new one and chuck it for the useless tool it has now become? Just be glad the FA don't fix broken toilets!!
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 22, 2014 0:16:10 GMT
I think the real reason why Ryan hasn't got a recall is that Hodgson picks the England side on the basis of what the media says. He meets with a group of journalist I believe to run the squads past them. Due to the Ramsey thing most of the journo's will react negatively to any talk of Ryan's inclusion. So Ryan doesn't get picked.
Any manager - at any level - who has to get his selection decisions checked by the media should be out of a job IMHO.
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Post by greenbaize on Sept 22, 2014 0:43:13 GMT
I have said it till I'm blue in the face, regardless of whether Ryan is good enough or not it his our International managers job to look at/ watch all English players regular live both in there home environment and away, in two years that wanker has not being to the Brit once
He was in charge and should take responsibility over our worst ever world cup finals record, and can't be bothered to watch all available English talent the sack is to good for him
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Post by alansuddick on Sept 22, 2014 6:23:06 GMT
I am afraid to say I wanted switzerland to piss all over england, that single victory has kept that twat hodgson in the job for another 2 years at least, the group is piss poor and we wont get another game to challenge us until the actual championship, when we will stink yet another tournament out!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 22, 2014 8:18:11 GMT
Well one of the our top football journalists thinks he deserves another chance so I'm clearly not alone. So why is he not actively banging the drum then mate ? I think we all know that it's a bit of a "boys club" and the media are too close to the players and managers at that level. You only have to look at the muted response to the World Cup campaign to see that.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 22, 2014 8:20:01 GMT
top journalist- only in his own opinion- he is full of his self importance- cant stand the guy- never saw him praising anything to do with stoke when tp here Funnily enough he was talking about Tone the man himself in glowing terms and he told a story about his last days when TP called him over and they did a story together.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 22, 2014 8:31:42 GMT
How many penalties has Ryan conceded for grappling?
The answer suggests to me he knows exactly what he can get away with.
Just as you'd expect arguably the finest defender in the league to.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 22, 2014 8:36:27 GMT
How many penalties has Ryan conceded for grappling? The answer suggests to me he knows exactly what he can get away with. Just as you'd expect arguably the finest defender in the league to. Just the same as all the other top defenders who do it, mate. It's been massively blown out of proportion and to highlight him and him alone is plain wrong.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 22, 2014 8:48:08 GMT
How many penalties has Ryan conceded for grappling? The answer suggests to me he knows exactly what he can get away with. Just as you'd expect arguably the finest defender in the league to. Just the same as all the other top defenders who do it, mate. It's been massively blown out of proportion and to highlight him and him alone is plain wrong. Liverpool do it but the focus is on Sterling, Sturridge etc. Stoke do it and it is used to define us. Lazy journalism but that's true of the majority of journalism.
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 22, 2014 8:52:36 GMT
top journalist- only in his own opinion- he is full of his self importance- cant stand the guy- never saw him praising anything to do with stoke when tp here Funnily enough he was talking about Tone the man himself in glowing terms and he told a story about his last days when TP called him over and they did a story together.
Funnily enough it's post his Palace tenure. Shame he and his cronies were not as fulsome in their praise when he was actually in charge.
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Post by huntlypotter on Sept 22, 2014 8:53:29 GMT
I often think there's also a media campaign against him when he gets getting mentioned for England due to his excellent form That BT sport coverage ( agenda ? ) yesterday was truly appalling when EVERY centre half at every game does no different than Shawcross I was embarrassed for them The same was going on when Crouch was in the QPR box, defenders kept holding him and nobody cared... double standards!
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Post by metalhead on Sept 22, 2014 8:58:20 GMT
Just the same as all the other top defenders who do it, mate. It's been massively blown out of proportion and to highlight him and him alone is plain wrong. Liverpool do it but the focus is on Sterling, Sturridge etc. Stoke do it and it is used to define us. Lazy journalism but that's true of the majority of journalism. Skrtel is a shocker for it. Certainly no worse than Ryan. Thing is, if a penalty is given against us for Newcastle and then you see Skrtel doing it, MOTD won't focus on that, they'll focus on the correct penalty against Stoke. Can't win really.
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Post by mozzer on Sept 22, 2014 11:19:25 GMT
Woy is a prick, always has been, always will be. Shit manager too. Should that be "Woy is a Pwick"
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Post by nott1 on Sept 22, 2014 11:22:11 GMT
Woy is a prick, always has been, always will be. Shit manager too. True, but why don't the media realise this?
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 22, 2014 11:29:20 GMT
If Ryan was put up for sale in Jan. at a reasonable price, would any of the top 6 clubs want him? If the answer is yes, then why isn't he good enough to play in a very poor England side?
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Post by Will_75 on Sept 22, 2014 11:39:45 GMT
I read a great article on Micah Richards settling in at Fiorentina at the weekend, which included this nugget, which rings so true: Richards has 13 England caps but he does not envisage any way back into Roy Hodgson’s thinking. That boat sailed when Hodgson overlooked him for Euro 2012 and Richards was so upset he did not want to go on the standby list. Hodgson has never considered him since and Richards is convinced that “until he’s gone I don’t see myself getting in”. But what if Gazzetta dello Sport is giving him nine out of 10 every week and Fiorentina are having another strong season, would he expect Hodgson to come over to watch him? “No chance,” he says. “ Has he even been to Swansea? The England manager should be going around every ground but I read he hadn’t even been to Swansea.” He is talking about Nathan Dyer. “I’ve played with him at under-19s, I know him really well and I’ve talked to him. He’s gutted. It’s a pleasure to play for your country, an honour, but then you see players who are not performing well and not getting picked on merit but because they are his players.” Richards also wonders if Hodgson is guilty of double standards when Ben Foster “can retire for a year then ‘if you want to come back in, here you go, feel free, even though there are other keepers.’” To clarify, he is laughing as he says that, and it is without malice. But he does have a serious point. “ He [Foster] is one of Hodgson’s players, isn’t he? He had him at West Brom and every manager has his favourites, so there is no point moaning or being upset about it. The only thing that hurt me was 2011-12 was my best season. Kyle Walker had broken his toe and I thought – and the majority of people thought – I would be the right choice if I could win the league and potentially win player of the year at City, maybe the hardest squad in the league to do that. I’ve dealt with it now but at the time it was tough.” Whole article here
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Post by chayzenbacon on Sept 22, 2014 11:53:00 GMT
Hodgson was at Swansea on Saturday, the opposition was.... .................................... that's right Southampton.
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