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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 20, 2014 23:43:08 GMT
Bego has money in the bank. Wilson doesn't, he was shaky last season and that has generally continued. I said last season if he starts more than 10 games we'll struggle. Here we are.....struggling. How long does Begovic's money last? obviously not as long as Wilson's.Both have been excellent for us.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2014 23:46:49 GMT
Bego has money in the bank. Wilson doesn't, he was shaky last season and that has generally continued. I said last season if he starts more than 10 games we'll struggle. Here we are.....struggling. How long does Begovic's money last? obviously not as long as Wilson's.Both have been excellent for us. Begovic has had 2 season's of being world class. You cannot compare the two! Wilson has been only close to excellent (good) for us in one position and that's left back. Everywhere else I think he looks lost.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 20, 2014 23:51:12 GMT
How long does Begovic's money last? obviously not as long as Wilson's.Both have been excellent for us. Begovic has had 2 season's of being world class. You cannot compare the two! Wilson has been only close to excellent (good) for us in one position and that's left back. Everywhere else I think he looks lost. It's all opinions,I realise that, but it's the blaming of certain individuals for every goal that gets tiresome.If Begovic had any competition,he'd have been dropped by now,Sorensen from 1st season in prem would see him consigned to bench.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 20, 2014 23:59:52 GMT
Begovic has had 2 season's of being world class. You cannot compare the two! Wilson has been only close to excellent (good) for us in one position and that's left back. Everywhere else I think he looks lost. It's all opinions,I realise that, but it's the blaming of certain individuals for every goal that gets tiresome.If Begovic had any competition,he'd have been dropped by now,Sorensen from 1st season in prem would see him consigned to bench. But if they're at fault.....it really is that simple! No he wouldn't, not in a million years, he'd have been stuck by and rightly so because he's been so good for us.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 21, 2014 0:04:04 GMT
It's all opinions,I realise that, but it's the blaming of certain individuals for every goal that gets tiresome.If Begovic had any competition,he'd have been dropped by now,Sorensen from 1st season in prem would see him consigned to bench. But if they're at fault.....it really is that simple! No he wouldn't, not in a million years, he'd have been stuck by and rightly so because he's been so good for us. Come on man,you're forgetting how good Tommy was.By his own standards Begovic hasn't had a decent game yet this season.If Butland doesn't get a chance soon he may as well leave,surely Begovic will improve but he needs to.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 0:10:44 GMT
But if they're at fault.....it really is that simple! No he wouldn't, not in a million years, he'd have been stuck by and rightly so because he's been so good for us. Come on man,you're forgetting how good Tommy was.By his own standards Begovic hasn't had a decent game yet this season.If Butland doesn't get a chance soon he may as well leave,surely Begovic will improve but he needs to. He was never as good as Bego has been. He was world class for two seasons.... He has been poor but you're talking about him like he's Jonny Walters!
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 21, 2014 0:18:48 GMT
Come on man,you're forgetting how good Tommy was.By his own standards Begovic hasn't had a decent game yet this season.If Butland doesn't get a chance soon he may as well leave,surely Begovic will improve but he needs to. He was never as good as Bego has been. He was world class for two seasons.... He has been poor but you're talking about him like he's Jonny Walters! We agree he's been poor,noticeably poor by the standards he's set.I'd play him in the cup in the week.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 0:21:30 GMT
He was never as good as Bego has been. He was world class for two seasons.... He has been poor but you're talking about him like he's Jonny Walters! We agree he's been poor,noticeably poor by the standards he's set.I'd play him in the cup in the week. I'd make 11 changes.
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 21, 2014 0:25:16 GMT
We agree he's been poor,noticeably poor by the standards he's set.I'd play him in the cup in the week. I'd make 11 changes. You haven't got £50 e/w on us winning the cup
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 0:27:28 GMT
I'd make 11 changes. You haven't got £50 e/w on us winning the cup True and we need to give the squaders a game. Butland Wilko Huth Tex Muni Sidwell Palacios Arnie Ireland (Shenton if SI isn't fit) Ozzy Walters (God know if he isn't fit)
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2014 0:38:43 GMT
Bego has money in the bank. Wilson doesn't, he was shaky last season and that has generally continued. I said last season if he starts more than 10 games we'll struggle. Here we are.....struggling. To be fair that's a bit of a bullshit argument bayern. You could substitute literally any first teamer's name for Wilson's and the argument is just as valid. And Wilson started many more than ten games last season and we got our highest league finish in forty years.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 0:41:48 GMT
Bego has money in the bank. Wilson doesn't, he was shaky last season and that has generally continued. I said last season if he starts more than 10 games we'll struggle. Here we are.....struggling. To be fair that's a bit of a bullshit argument bayern. You could substitute literally any first teamer's name for Wilson's and the argument is just as valid. And Wilson started many more than ten games last season and we got our highest league finish in forty years. It's not when you think Wilson is the only player that needs to be dropped and we'd improve because of it.... And he did, he was carried by Shawcross, who was thoroughly immense. The bloke made as many mistakes if not more last season, he's just not a centre half, it's plain to see.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2014 1:11:06 GMT
To be fair that's a bit of a bullshit argument bayern. You could substitute literally any first teamer's name for Wilson's and the argument is just as valid. And Wilson started many more than ten games last season and we got our highest league finish in forty years. It's not when you think Wilson is the only player that needs to be dropped and we'd improve because of it.... And he did, he was carried by Shawcross, who was thoroughly immense. The bloke made as many mistakes if not more last season, he's just not a centre half, it's plain to see. That's all your opinion mate, which is fine of course, but as the chap above said it's debateable. I certainly disagree with a lot of of it. But you can't start looking at our general performance so far this season and saying "hey presto, I was right all along about Wilson." That's as bad as what WD was doing by starting this thread.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 1:16:42 GMT
It's not when you think Wilson is the only player that needs to be dropped and we'd improve because of it.... And he did, he was carried by Shawcross, who was thoroughly immense. The bloke made as many mistakes if not more last season, he's just not a centre half, it's plain to see. That's all your opinion mate, which is fine of course, but as the chap above said it's debateable. I certainly disagree with a lot of of it. But you can't start looking at our general performance so far this season and saying "hey presto, I was right all along about Wilson." That's as bad as what WD was doing by starting this thread. Him being at fault for the goals (pre QPR) is barely debatable because it's clear that he is. I know I'm right about Wilson, I've been right about him since his first game for us. That didn't go down well then either! Ie he's never a midfielder.....he never is.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2014 1:50:22 GMT
That's all your opinion mate, which is fine of course, but as the chap above said it's debateable. I certainly disagree with a lot of of it. But you can't start looking at our general performance so far this season and saying "hey presto, I was right all along about Wilson." That's as bad as what WD was doing by starting this thread. Him being at fault for the goals (pre QPR) is barely debatable because it's clear that he is. I know I'm right about Wilson, I've been right about him since his first game for us. That didn't go down well then either! Ie he's never a midfielder.....he never is. Well clearly it's not "barely debateable" is it, because lots of people disagree! I'm sure you think they're clueless, but if some people think one thing and other people think something else then by definition it's debateable. You've got strong opinions about Wilson, which is fine, but you're painting it as if it's just accepted that he's the standout weak link in the team and has been making obvious, catastrophic blunders in every game. It just isn't like that. In fact if you can find one neutral match report from any of our games this season that specifically singles out Wilson as at fault for a goal, I'd be impressed.
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Post by Northy on Sept 21, 2014 6:21:29 GMT
Whydelilah had deleted again then ...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 11:17:31 GMT
Him being at fault for the goals (pre QPR) is barely debatable because it's clear that he is. I know I'm right about Wilson, I've been right about him since his first game for us. That didn't go down well then either! Ie he's never a midfielder.....he never is. Well clearly it's not "barely debateable" is it, because lots of people disagree! I'm sure you think they're clueless, but if some people think one thing and other people think something else then by definition it's debateable. You've got strong opinions about Wilson, which is fine, but you're painting it as if it's just accepted that he's the standout weak link in the team and has been making obvious, catastrophic blunders in every game. It just isn't like that. In fact if you can find one neutral match report from any of our games this season that specifically singles out Wilson as at fault for a goal, I'd be impressed. Not clueless no but people do have blind spots when it comes to some things. Danny Collins was defended this much once...... I can't be arsed to do that but you've got TP on national tv blaming him for the one against Leicester. And if you can't see that he's at fault for the one vs Hull then you're Stevie Wonder....
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Post by northstokie on Sept 21, 2014 13:35:57 GMT
Well clearly it's not "barely debateable" is it, because lots of people disagree! I'm sure you think they're clueless, but if some people think one thing and other people think something else then by definition it's debateable. You've got strong opinions about Wilson, which is fine, but you're painting it as if it's just accepted that he's the standout weak link in the team and has been making obvious, catastrophic blunders in every game. It just isn't like that. In fact if you can find one neutral match report from any of our games this season that specifically singles out Wilson as at fault for a goal, I'd be impressed. Not clueless no but people do have blind spots when it comes to some things. Danny Collins was defended this much once...... I can't be arsed to do that but you've got TP on national tv blaming him for the one against Leicester. And if you can't see that he's at fault for the one vs Hull then you're Stevie Wonder.... Remind me who Danny Collins' number one fan was?
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Post by Billybigbollox on Sept 21, 2014 14:41:23 GMT
I'm not knocking Wilson, he has filled ok at fullback and centre back, but the sooner the Hutha is back the better.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 21, 2014 15:01:03 GMT
Well clearly it's not "barely debateable" is it, because lots of people disagree! I'm sure you think they're clueless, but if some people think one thing and other people think something else then by definition it's debateable. You've got strong opinions about Wilson, which is fine, but you're painting it as if it's just accepted that he's the standout weak link in the team and has been making obvious, catastrophic blunders in every game. It just isn't like that. In fact if you can find one neutral match report from any of our games this season that specifically singles out Wilson as at fault for a goal, I'd be impressed. Not clueless no but people do have blind spots when it comes to some things. Danny Collins was defended this much once...... I can't be arsed to do that but you've got TP on national tv blaming him for the one against Leicester. And if you can't see that he's at fault for the one vs Hull then you're Stevie Wonder.... I'm not accepting TP as neutral mate.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 18:49:04 GMT
Not clueless no but people do have blind spots when it comes to some things. Danny Collins was defended this much once...... I can't be arsed to do that but you've got TP on national tv blaming him for the one against Leicester. And if you can't see that he's at fault for the one vs Hull then you're Stevie Wonder.... I'm not accepting TP as neutral mate. Well no, he absolutely loves Wilson....which made it all the more surprising he slated him on national tv.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 21, 2014 19:01:30 GMT
I'm not accepting TP as neutral mate. Well no, he absolutely loves Wilson....which made it all the more surprising he slated him on national tv. Are we still blaming Wilson for Hull's goal. The fact that Jelovic is a yard out with the goalkeeper on his arse out of camera shot suggests we might have been quite a long way down the road to Fuckupsville before Wilson failed to tidy up. To help you I've constructed the below error responsibility chart: Whelan for leaving Huddlestone to Bojan 7.5% N'Zonzi for leaving Huddlestone to Bojan 7.5% Bojan for being effete and not taking one for the team 15% Begovic for being a limp wristed fucker 40% Wilson for having his head in the clouds and allowing Jelavic to poke it on the line 30%
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 21, 2014 19:06:07 GMT
Well no, he absolutely loves Wilson....which made it all the more surprising he slated him on national tv. Are we still blaming Wilson for Hull's goal. The fact that Jelovic is a yard out with the goalkeeper on his arse out of camera shot suggests we might have been quite a long way down the road to Fuckupsville before Wilson failed to tidy up. To help you I've constructed the below error responsibility chart: Whelan for leaving Huddlestone to Bojan 7.5% N'Zonzi for leaving Huddlestone to Bojan 7.5% Bojan for being effete and not taking one for the team 15% Begovic for being a limp wristed fucker 40% Wilson for having his head in the clouds and allowing Jelavic to poke it on the line 30% Wilson didn't do his job and it's systematic as to what makes him a bad defender, he's reactionary and pro-active. He can't read the game and gets caught on his heels. Yes others were at fault, no one has denied but the fact Wilson is too and it encapsulates why he is a poor centre half is why he is the more prominent one to be blamed for it. I don't think it was the bad of a save tbh, he puts it wide where the defence should deal with it. The only better way to have dealt with it was to leave it. I think Bego's more at fault for the free kick yesterday tbh.
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Post by mcf on Sept 22, 2014 7:44:18 GMT
I thought Wilson played well and we gained a decent point overall. Good thread as well
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