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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 22:41:58 GMT
Ade deserved a massive new contract 15 months in after we rescued him then? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 22:45:01 GMT
Ade deserved a massive new contract 15 months in after we rescued him then? I don't know, nor do I know if the half dozen other players whose contracts were expiring in three months did. I do know it is a farcical and negligent way to run a football club though. |
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 22:46:46 GMT
The way I instinctively saw it was that Akinbiyi was totally ignored. I ain't fussed either way who the supposed better player is that I like, and quite why the fcuk should I i just don't know. How was he ignored any more than Nzonzi? We don't know do we? Exactly, we don't know for sure. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 22:49:02 GMT
Ade deserved a massive new contract 15 months in after we rescued him then? I don't know, nor do I know if the half dozen other players whose contracts were expiring in three months did. I do know it is a farcical and negligent way to run a football club though. Ade's contract wasn't expiring was it? He signed a 3-year deal at the start of the previous season. It wasn't like Thomas or Gifton, who were out of contract and the club made no attempt to keep. He decided, having had his first decent season for about four years thanks to Stoke City and Tony Pulis, that he'd show his gratitude by demanding a shit tonne more money at the earliest opportunity. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 17, 2014 22:49:02 GMT
You have answered questions I never asked and telling me about matters I haven't even thought about.  I simply pointed out the amazing and shameless hypocrisy of roundly condemning an article on the basis it was built on reported statements and here say and then publishing on here your view of another matter based on nothing more than (long faded) newspaper reports and here say. As we both know you only complained because one situation doesn't suit your viewpoint and the other entirely suits your opinion and amazingly the gossip and reports now gives you all the evidence you need to run around presenting as fact. The rest of the quoted post is completely irrelevant to the point but I note that your only recourse to prove your point regarding bias is to use the mention of Lyndsey Parso Parsons. That's the bloke who fell out with Pulis to such an extent he was excommunicated as a disbeliever from the Think Tank! Not the best example of anti-Pulis abuse to mention him is it really? Im expecting a note from Tone thanking me for taking the piss out of the traitor and a grovelling acceptance from you that your indignant blart was a bit silly.  I guess I'm just going to get a pile of unrelated point dodging so I will treat your swerving as my moral victory. It was based on pure fact rather than the biased hogwash from Saturday. Did the Icelanders en masse, spend extended periods away from the club in their final years? A simple yes or no will suffice. Did Pulis leave because he couldn't spend twelvety billion pounds as indicated in that piece designed to cause rancour on Saturday? Again a simple yes or no will suffice. Goes to bed on an increasingly easy victory  So your only contribution to this thread has been to state that people who live in Iceland spend a lot of time there is it?  Pull your pants back up at your leisure. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 22:50:18 GMT
How was he ignored any more than Nzonzi? We don't know do we? Exactly, we don't know for sure. So there's no real reason to say one was heroically showing what's what while the other was a weasel wanting out? No real basis either way? |
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 22:50:57 GMT
One things for sure give me someone who stands up for themselves as opposed to someone who just asks 'supposedly' to go on the transfer list.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 22:53:27 GMT
It was based on pure fact rather than the biased hogwash from Saturday. Did the Icelanders en masse, spend extended periods away from the club in their final years? A simple yes or no will suffice. Did Pulis leave because he couldn't spend twelvety billion pounds as indicated in that piece designed to cause rancour on Saturday? Again a simple yes or no will suffice. Goes to bed on an increasingly easy victory So your only contribution to this thread has been to state that people who live in Iceland spend a lot of time there is it? Pull your pants back up at your leisure. Well what the fuck is it you are arguing about then. I said they ran the club negligently and the lock in happened because of their negligence. That's all I've said and you've put your bovver boots yet strangely haven't said anything to the contrary (because you can't) so I think I'll just have a little whistle and move on. |
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Post by broomey1983 on Sept 17, 2014 22:55:26 GMT
Coming from a Stoke fan he's a vale bastard
On a neutral side he did a decent job at the level he was at
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 22:55:36 GMT
One things for sure give me someone who stands up for themselves as opposed to someone who just asks 'supposedly' to go on the transfer list. What's the difference? Akinbiyi did the same thing? He didn't want to play for the club unless we paid him more money. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 22:59:30 GMT
I don't know, nor do I know if the half dozen other players whose contracts were expiring in three months did. I do know it is a farcical and negligent way to run a football club though. Ade's contract wasn't expiring was it? He signed a 3-year deal at the start of the previous season. It wasn't like Thomas or Gifton, who were out of contract and the club made no attempt to keep. He decided, having had his first decent season for about four years thanks to Stoke City and Tony Pulis, that he'd show his gratitude by demanding a shit tonne more money at the earliest opportunity. I know he wasn't out of contract but several players were and Gislason under the puppet strings of mental Magnus wasn't talking to any of them. Have some balls and tell him no. Roy Hodgson could find his was way to The Brit better than that pair of pillocks at that time. All's it would have taken is some honesty like 'look lads, we've realised we cant treat the second oldest club in the land like a two bit whore and make a quick buck so we're designing our exit.' That would have shown a bit more dignity rather than get Rudge to sit on his phone hiding the code to Iceland like some Laurel and Hardy sketch. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 23:02:56 GMT
Ade's contract wasn't expiring was it? He signed a 3-year deal at the start of the previous season. It wasn't like Thomas or Gifton, who were out of contract and the club made no attempt to keep. He decided, having had his first decent season for about four years thanks to Stoke City and Tony Pulis, that he'd show his gratitude by demanding a shit tonne more money at the earliest opportunity. I know he wasn't out of contract but several players were and Gislason under the puppet strings of mental Magnus wasn't talking to any of them. Have some balls and tell him no. Roy Hodgson could find his was way to The Brit better than that pair of pillocks at that time. All's it would have taken is some honesty like 'look lads, we've realised we cant treat the second oldest club in the land like a two bit whore and make a quick buck so we're designing our exit.' That would have shown a bit more dignity rather than get Rudge to sit on his phone hiding the code to Iceland like some Laurel and Hardy sketch. I don't disagree with any of that and think the way Thomas, Gifton etc were treated was very poor and could have got us relegated. They made a series of weird, dreadful decisions that season, the nadir being the arrival of Triggy and Ziggy. I still refuse to see Ade's indecent cash-grab as an act of selfless heroism. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 23:07:59 GMT
I know he wasn't out of contract but several players were and Gislason under the puppet strings of mental Magnus wasn't talking to any of them. Have some balls and tell him no. Roy Hodgson could find his was way to The Brit better than that pair of pillocks at that time. All's it would have taken is some honesty like 'look lads, we've realised we cant treat the second oldest club in the land like a two bit whore and make a quick buck so we're designing our exit.' That would have shown a bit more dignity rather than get Rudge to sit on his phone hiding the code to Iceland like some Laurel and Hardy sketch. I don't disagree with any of that and think the way Thomas, Gifton etc were treated was very poor and could have got us relegated. They made a series of weird, dreadful decisions that season, the nadir being the arrival of Triggy and Ziggy. I still refuse to see Ade's indecent cash-grab as an act of selfless heroism. Nor do I but with 3 bids including Wigan & Sheff U on the table I don't find his behaviour that peculiar in the modern game. |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 17, 2014 23:09:43 GMT
So your only contribution to this thread has been to state that people who live in Iceland spend a lot of time there is it? Pull your pants back up at your leisure. Well what the fuck is it you are arguing about then. I said they ran the club negligently and the lock in happened because of their negligence. That's all I've said and you've put your bovver boots yet strangely haven't said anything to the contrary (because you can't) so I think I'll just have a little whistle and move on. As you well know Im pointing out that you have littered the thread with speculation and guesswork backed up with speculation and guesswork to suit your long standing and some would say complete misunderstanding of the Icelander's period in charge of the club. You know, the stuff you started a whole thread on complaining and whinging that Smudge had done on the subject over which you will truck no dissent and can find evil spoken where there is none intended. Even to the point where the mention of Lindsey Parsons is considered treachery apparently! I'm not sure what my lack of involvement in a decade old argument has to do with it to be honest? Perhaps I should have just taken my lead from your good self started a thread complaining about your bias and demanded a written confession from Gunner before I accepted your right to discuss the matter? |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 23:17:28 GMT
Well what the fuck is it you are arguing about then. I said they ran the club negligently and the lock in happened because of their negligence. That's all I've said and you've put your bovver boots yet strangely haven't said anything to the contrary (because you can't) so I think I'll just have a little whistle and move on. As you well know Im pointing out that you have littered the thread with speculation and guesswork backed up with speculation and guesswork to suit your long standing and some would say complete misunderstanding of the Icelander's period in charge of the club. You know, the stuff you started a whole thread on complaining and whinging that Smudge had done on the subject over which you will truck no dissent and can find evil spoken where there is none intended. Even to the point where the mention of Lindsey Parsons is considered treachery apparently! I'm not sure what my lack of involvement in a decade old argument has to do with it to be honest? Perhaps I should have just taken my lead from your good self started a thread complaining about your bias and demanded a written confession from Gunner before I accepted your right to discuss the matter? I've included a link Here's another - www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/04/newsstory.sport4 outlining the fiasco the club was in at the time. The funny thing is you and others then peddled the myth that it was PULIS who had left Boskamp with 6 professionals Of course when you provide me with the link that proves why Pulis left Palace or a transcript of that dinner with his chairman where we can see that Parrish did not move the goalposts one iota I will issue a full and frank apology. Although contact The Sun first, they'll pay good money for that |
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Sept 17, 2014 23:31:51 GMT
As you well know Im pointing out that you have littered the thread with speculation and guesswork backed up with speculation and guesswork to suit your long standing and some would say complete misunderstanding of the Icelander's period in charge of the club. You know, the stuff you started a whole thread on complaining and whinging that Smudge had done on the subject over which you will truck no dissent and can find evil spoken where there is none intended. Even to the point where the mention of Lindsey Parsons is considered treachery apparently! I'm not sure what my lack of involvement in a decade old argument has to do with it to be honest? Perhaps I should have just taken my lead from your good self started a thread complaining about your bias and demanded a written confession from Gunner before I accepted your right to discuss the matter? I've included a link Here's another - www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/04/newsstory.sport4 outlining the fiasco the club was in at the time. The funny thing is you and others then peddled the myth that it was PULIS who had left Boskamp with 6 professionals Of course when you provide me with the link that proves why Pulis left Palace or a transcript of that dinner with his chairman where we can see that Parrish did not move the goalposts one iota I will issue a full and frank apology. Although contact The Sun first, they'll pay good money for that But I haven't at any point in this thread attempted to engage in the rights and wrongs of what you are saying. I have made a remark outlining your hypocrisy in ranting about Smudge referring to a current hot topic in the football world and referencing media reports which you dismissed as unsubstantiated gossip and shit stirring then proceeding to do exactly what you saw as wrong on this thread because you want to continue your long standing sore on another subject. To defend yourself you then link to a newspaper report!! You couldn't make it up! You could just hold your hands up or it is going to be a bit sticky for you to engage in any debate involving unproven speculation unless you can provide first hand evidence. I was simply pointing out your flexible standards and I didn't even start a thread about it! |
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 23:58:48 GMT
One things for sure give me someone who stands up for themselves as opposed to someone who just asks 'supposedly' to go on the transfer list. What's the difference? Akinbiyi did the same thing? He didn't want to play for the club unless we paid him more money. Same as I say he did what he did because of broken promises 'well that's what I THINK' and thought he'd show them up for what he thought they were and for that I say good on him. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 18, 2014 0:00:27 GMT
I've included a link Here's another - www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/04/newsstory.sport4 outlining the fiasco the club was in at the time. The funny thing is you and others then peddled the myth that it was PULIS who had left Boskamp with 6 professionals Of course when you provide me with the link that proves why Pulis left Palace or a transcript of that dinner with his chairman where we can see that Parrish did not move the goalposts one iota I will issue a full and frank apology. Although contact The Sun first, they'll pay good money for that But I haven't at any point in this thread attempted to engage in the rights and wrongs of what you are saying. I have made a remark outlining your hypocrisy in ranting about Smudge referring to a current hot topic in the football world and referencing media reports which you dismissed as unsubstantiated gossip and shit stirring then proceeding to do exactly what you saw as wrong on this thread because you want to continue your long standing sore on another subject. To defend yourself you then link to a newspaper report!! You couldn't make it up! You could just hold your hands up or it is going to be a bit sticky for you to engage in any debate involving unproven speculation unless you can provide first hand evidence. I was simply pointing out your flexible standards and I didn't even start a thread about it! Ahhhh I see now. You're saying that Gislason wasn't in Iceland, he was in the cupboard behind the phone that Rudge was wrestling with Ade on. Most likely without any trousers on to complete the Ray Cooney farce imagery" The Saturday piece was blatant. On the one hand saying we don't know the real reason he left, then stating the reason he left, then coating him for it. It really does beggar belief as an article. |
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Post by tazi on Sept 18, 2014 0:05:09 GMT
As you well know Im pointing out that you have littered the thread with speculation and guesswork backed up with speculation and guesswork to suit your long standing and some would say complete misunderstanding of the Icelander's period in charge of the club. You know, the stuff you started a whole thread on complaining and whinging that Smudge had done on the subject over which you will truck no dissent and can find evil spoken where there is none intended. Even to the point where the mention of Lindsey Parsons is considered treachery apparently! I'm not sure what my lack of involvement in a decade old argument has to do with it to be honest? Perhaps I should have just taken my lead from your good self started a thread complaining about your bias and demanded a written confession from Gunner before I accepted your right to discuss the matter? I've included a link Here's another - www.theguardian.com/football/2005/feb/04/newsstory.sport4 outlining the fiasco the club was in at the time. The funny thing is you and others then peddled the myth that it was PULIS who had left Boskamp with 6 professionals Of course when you provide me with the link that proves why Pulis left Palace or a transcript of that dinner with his chairman where we can see that Parrish did not move the goalposts one iota I will issue a full and frank apology. Although contact The Sun first, they'll pay good money for that In that link maybe we should all follow the maestros final words. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 18, 2014 0:35:30 GMT
Sounds like a fantastic pissed up pub story that mate, sounds like you believe all the guff you hear. . I wasn't told about it. I was there and it was me that told him! EDIT - I don't believe any of the guff you write, especially during transfer windows! You're clearly wasted on a site like this, have you thought about writing a book about it all. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 18, 2014 6:59:31 GMT
I don't disagree with any of that and think the way Thomas, Gifton etc were treated was very poor and could have got us relegated. They made a series of weird, dreadful decisions that season, the nadir being the arrival of Triggy and Ziggy. I still refuse to see Ade's indecent cash-grab as an act of selfless heroism. Nor do I but with 3 bids including Wigan & Sheff U on the table I don't find his behaviour that peculiar in the modern game. It's not peculiar but it's a particularly egregious example given what we'd done for him. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 18, 2014 7:01:10 GMT
What's the difference? Akinbiyi did the same thing? He didn't want to play for the club unless we paid him more money. Same as I say he did what he did because of broken promises 'well that's what I THINK' and thought he'd show them up for what he thought they were and for that I say good on him. But the Nzonzi thing was also supposedly to do with 'broken promises'? Does this basically boil down to you picking and choosing because you hate the Icelanders and dislike Nzonzi as a troublemaker during the TP era? |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 18, 2014 8:29:05 GMT
I've wrote a poem about him. John Rudge has got a grudge against people who eat fudge.
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Post by tazi on Sept 18, 2014 9:04:42 GMT
Same as I say he did what he did because of broken promises 'well that's what I THINK' and thought he'd show them up for what he thought they were and for that I say good on him. But the Nzonzi thing was also supposedly to do with 'broken promises'? Does this basically boil down to you picking and choosing because you hate the Icelanders and dislike Nzonzi as a troublemaker during the TP era? I would have thought higher of him had he confronted those who supposedly broke their promises instead of just simply wanting to leave by supposedly seeking go on the transfer list. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 18, 2014 9:21:39 GMT
Ask Rudgie. I forget the player but he signed a player from there once. Randy Samuels. |
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Post by tazi on Sept 18, 2014 9:59:36 GMT
Jeeeeez, how boring this thread.
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Post by slpmarc on Sept 18, 2014 10:47:13 GMT
Rudge is working at Hull ATM
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 18, 2014 11:03:34 GMT
I wasn't told about it. I was there and it was me that told him! EDIT - I don't believe any of the guff you write, especially during transfer windows! You're clearly wasted on a site like this, have you thought about writing a book about it all. That one incident wouldn't make for a very long book would it. Your wit is about as good as your transfer window ramblings. I don't know anything about what goes on at Stoke these days and don't pretend to but in years gone by I did get to know quite a bit through 3 very good contacts who would tell you anything once they'd had a drink. If that annoys you in anyway, I can only apologise but some of us post what we know to be true and don't try to pass pure guesswork off as fact. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 18, 2014 12:08:17 GMT
But the Nzonzi thing was also supposedly to do with 'broken promises'? Does this basically boil down to you picking and choosing because you hate the Icelanders and dislike Nzonzi as a troublemaker during the TP era? I would have thought higher of him had he confronted those who supposedly broke their promises instead of just simply wanting to leave by supposedly seeking go on the transfer list. How do you know he didn't? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2014 12:28:47 GMT
Nor do I but with 3 bids including Wigan & Sheff U on the table I don't find his behaviour that peculiar in the modern game. It's not peculiar but it's a particularly egregious example given what we'd done for him. Isn't that a two-way street though Rob? You're saying we rescued his career, but if we've rescued it to the point where the player in question is having a cracking season, then surely, the club are benefitting from a better than expected performance from the player - thereby resulting in the player wanting more. Wasn't it a similar, if not slightly more exaggerated case with Steino? It was widely reported that he was only on £400 per week at Stoke, having been taken from Oxford's reserve team. Two years later, that contract looked a bit sick because he'd played a major part in transforming the team. There was talk at the time of Stein being homesick when he asked for a transfer, but I think Macari has said he wanted an improvement on his contract. Either way, he ended up at Chelsea earning 10 times what he was on at Stoke. Could you blame him for wanting an improvement, or would you say he should have stuck with what he was happy to sign before we rescued his career? I'm not comparing the two players' merits by the way, I'm just interested in your thoughts as to whether you believe the two situations were the same in principle. |
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