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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 17, 2014 11:44:10 GMT
I think he should cheer up! If you worked at Vale Park for 16 years, you would be miserable looking too.
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 11:51:59 GMT
16 years as Port Vale manager.......14 years at Stoke City.....now semi retired......How do you feel about him? Served vale amazingly well and the team he put together was a damned good one. Served us well too.
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 11:53:48 GMT
Port Vale legend, thieved a living from Stoke How that business man Coates didn't see through that I just don't know.
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 11:57:27 GMT
He's a Wolves fan. He - publicly - stated when leaving Vale that he would never manage Stoke.He ws true to his word then.An honourable man in football,not many of those. Played a huge role throughout his time at Stoke by helping to negate Scholes lack of...skills...when negotiating contracts with players,transfer arangements with clubs & so on. The idea that Coates was happy to spend £100k a year on a 'glorified scout' is absurd. & he is a very nice man. He didn't know that we couldn't sign Owen AFTER the transfer window had closed and then add him into our 25 man squad simply by ommitting someone to leave a gap for him. Someone explained the rules to him on the golf club car park the day before the window closed. The sheer panic on his face was worth seeing. Suffice to say, he didn't get from the car park to the golf course. Nice man he maybe but I've heard him take the piss out of Stoke and its supporters whilst being an employee of the club. Jee you claim to know alot
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 12:01:28 GMT
SCFC asked him to take temporary charge yes I mean did anyone in the media ever ask the reason Joe?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 12:03:57 GMT
Yes he was asked and he declined because he was scared to put his head above the parapit. He was more concerned with damaging his links to the Fail and Fail fans than he was with getting any grace period. We only wanted him to take temporary charge and he refused leaving Kevan with mission impossible. He stole a living from Stoke and I repeat that he had no true affection for Stoke City at all. The praise of John Rudge and Ade Akinbyi are two subjects that always prompt a response from me. I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2014 12:04:49 GMT
He didn't know that we couldn't sign Owen AFTER the transfer window had closed and then add him into our 25 man squad simply by ommitting someone to leave a gap for him. Someone explained the rules to him on the golf club car park the day before the window closed. The sheer panic on his face was worth seeing. Suffice to say, he didn't get from the car park to the golf course. Nice man he maybe but I've heard him take the piss out of Stoke and its supporters whilst being an employee of the club. Jee you claim to know alot I do don't I? Feel free to share it if you know different!
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 12:08:40 GMT
Jee you claim to know alot I do don't I? Feel free to share it if you know different! Indeed you do.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2014 12:08:46 GMT
Yes he was asked and he declined because he was scared to put his head above the parapit. He was more concerned with damaging his links to the Fail and Fail fans than he was with getting any grace period. We only wanted him to take temporary charge and he refused leaving Kevan with mission impossible. He stole a living from Stoke and I repeat that he had no true affection for Stoke City at all. The praise of John Rudge and Ade Akinbyi are two subjects that always prompt a response from me. I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least. Gudjon loves Rudgey so it is fair to say he did something at some point. Sergei, Hoekstra and Wayne Thomas were his recommendations as was Henrik Risom :-). Under Pulis regime, he was a yes man more concerned with protecting his comfy position than voicing his opinion...see Chris Brunt and Will Hughes as examples of this.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 12:13:57 GMT
Yes he was asked and he declined because he was scared to put his head above the parapit. He was more concerned with damaging his links to the Fail and Fail fans than he was with getting any grace period. We only wanted him to take temporary charge and he refused leaving Kevan with mission impossible. He stole a living from Stoke and I repeat that he had no true affection for Stoke City at all. The praise of John Rudge and Ade Akinbyi are two subjects that always prompt a response from me. I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least. As O'Connor, Thorne and Kav and others have all indicated, the Icelanders were negligent and impossible to deal with and often completely absent from the club. I'm not supporting what Akinbyi did at all but lets not believe it was completely out of the blue.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 12:18:52 GMT
I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least. As O'Connor, Thorne and Kav and others have all indicated, the Icelanders were negligent and impossible to deal with and often completely absent from the club. I'm not supporting what Akinbyi did at all but lets not believe it was completely out of the blue. Possibly, I just think it was a bit soon to demand an enormous payrise from the club that had helped rehabilitate him from football's punchline du jour to a respectable second tier striker again. I know there's no loyalty in football, but by any standards, that seems disrespectful to me.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 17, 2014 12:25:54 GMT
As O'Connor, Thorne and Kav and others have all indicated, the Icelanders were negligent and impossible to deal with and often completely absent from the club. I'm not supporting what Akinbyi did at all but lets not believe it was completely out of the blue. Possibly, I just think it was a bit soon to demand an enormous payrise from the club that had helped rehabilitate him from football's punchline du jour to a respectable second tier striker again. I know there's no loyalty in football, but by any standards, that seems disrespectful to me. Let's not forget that having been on loan he then almost chose Walsall over us because they were offering him a bit more money so having held us to ransome to sign in the first place, he then locked himself in the office to demand a move to the might of Burnley. Akinbiyi was a c**t and the biggest mercenary in football. Not surprisingly, I believe he's a football agent now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 12:34:11 GMT
The whole point of the lock in though was to illustrate the lack of leadership at the club. There was no one to talk to and phone calls were allegedly not returned. The owners had decided that selling carrots was more important than Stoke and were letting it rot.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 17, 2014 12:37:31 GMT
I've heard he's on vacation in Canadia with Randy Samuels, and it's the bestest holiday ever. Where's Canadia? You'd best ask Mr Rudge, as that's how he pronounced 'Canada' once in an interview.
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Post by vahl on Sept 17, 2014 14:20:30 GMT
All together now! He's Bald, ......... .......... .........! Since nobody wanted to sing along, I'll help! He's Bald, He's Bent, .......... .........!
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 14:52:19 GMT
All together now! He's Bald, ......... .......... .........! Since nobody wanted to sing along, I'll help! He's Bald, He's Bent, .......... .........! He worked in Stoke on Trent
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 15:27:39 GMT
The whole point of the lock in though was to illustrate the lack of leadership at the club. There was no one to talk to and phone calls were allegedly not returned. The owners had decided that selling carrots was more important than Stoke and were letting it rot. Wasn't the point of the lock in that we wanted to talk to someone about being paid a shit tonne more money now he wasn't the laughing stock he used to be 100% down to us saving him?
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Post by tazi on Sept 17, 2014 15:33:43 GMT
I thought the whole point of the lock in was that promises were broken.
Don't know really, maybe someone could clarify?.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 15:37:39 GMT
He always claimed they were, for me though he should still have been thanking his lucky stars we dragged him off the scrapheap. He owed us more than we owed him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 15:46:34 GMT
He always claimed they were, for me though he should still have been thanking his lucky stars we dragged him off the scrapheap. He owed us more than we owed him. Perhaps the Icelanders should have turned up at the office once in a while or switched their phones on like normal businessmen would have?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 15:48:05 GMT
He always claimed they were, for me though he should still have been thanking his lucky stars we dragged him off the scrapheap. He owed us more than we owed him. Perhaps the Icelanders should have turned up at the office once in a while or switched their phones on like normal businessmen would have? The Icelanders made a lot of almighty fuck ups that season. Not being held to ransom by Akinbiyi wasn't one of them, in my opinion.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 17, 2014 16:02:16 GMT
Yes he was asked and he declined because he was scared to put his head above the parapit. He was more concerned with damaging his links to the Fail and Fail fans than he was with getting any grace period. We only wanted him to take temporary charge and he refused leaving Kevan with mission impossible. He stole a living from Stoke and I repeat that he had no true affection for Stoke City at all. The praise of John Rudge and Ade Akinbyi are two subjects that always prompt a response from me. I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least. As I remember it he was a big help to Gudjon but didn't Boskamp and him fall out? I always thought he was working against the Icelanders around that time which was a bit galling when you consider they were paying his wages, suppose he knew which side his bread was going to buttered in the long term. For my money he was just after a nice easy wage with very little responsibility, which is what he got, he never demonstrated much affinity to Stoke City from what I saw so I've never had any affinity with him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 16:07:29 GMT
I agree about Akinbiyi, mystified how he's fondly remembered for pulling that stunt. Does every employee have to have 'true affection' for the club though? I refuse to believe he did literally nothing of value here. His contacts helped us get some decent players and he was a big help to Gudjon and Boskamp at least. As I remember it he was a big help to Gudjon but didn't Boskamp and him fall out? I always thought he was working against the Icelanders around that time which was a bit galling when you consider they were paying his wages, suppose he knew which side his bread was going to buttered in the long term. For my money he was just after a nice easy wage with very little responsibility, which is what he got, he never demonstrated much affinity to Stoke City from what I saw so I've never had any affinity with him. Do we really expect everyone who works for the club to have 'an affinity'? I think anyone who does will end up very disappointed. I think there was plenty of responsibility in the Rudge role, certainly pre-TP. He was a big help to Boskamp before notegate and Boskamp himself said as much.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 17, 2014 16:11:53 GMT
As I remember it he was a big help to Gudjon but didn't Boskamp and him fall out? I always thought he was working against the Icelanders around that time which was a bit galling when you consider they were paying his wages, suppose he knew which side his bread was going to buttered in the long term. For my money he was just after a nice easy wage with very little responsibility, which is what he got, he never demonstrated much affinity to Stoke City from what I saw so I've never had any affinity with him. Do we really expect everyone who works for the club to have 'an affinity'? I think anyone who does will end up very disappointed. I think there was plenty of responsibility in the Rudge role, certainly pre-TP. He was a big help to Boskamp before notegate and Boskamp himself said as much. Having spent as long as he did at the club, yes I do expect some sort of affinity. Never heard that from Boskamp tbh, but as I live away if it was in the Sentinel I wouldn't have seen it.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 16:22:10 GMT
Do we really expect everyone who works for the club to have 'an affinity'? I think anyone who does will end up very disappointed. I think there was plenty of responsibility in the Rudge role, certainly pre-TP. He was a big help to Boskamp before notegate and Boskamp himself said as much. Having spent as long as he did at the club, yes I do expect some sort of affinity. Never heard that from Boskamp tbh, but as I live away if it was in the Sentinel I wouldn't have seen it. Fair enough. Personally I don't care if an employee doesn't sing Delilah so long as they do a good job. It was in The Independent in an article entitled 'Boskamp the Football Adventurer' or something. It was an interview where talked about how Rudge had helped him in the early chaos and specifically talked about the Hoefkens deal and how when his club started playing silly buggers, Boskamp told Rudgie to walk away but he burned the midnight oil to get the deal done.
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Post by elystokie on Sept 17, 2014 16:33:53 GMT
Having spent as long as he did at the club, yes I do expect some sort of affinity. Never heard that from Boskamp tbh, but as I live away if it was in the Sentinel I wouldn't have seen it. Fair enough. Personally I don't care if an employee doesn't sing Delilah so long as they do a good job. It was in The Independent in an article entitled 'Boskamp the Football Adventurer' or something. It was an interview where talked about how Rudge had helped him in the early chaos and specifically talked about the Hoefkens deal and how when his club started playing silly buggers, Boskamp told Rudgie to walk away but he burned the midnight oil to get the deal done. Independent was possibly a bit highbrow for me
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 17, 2014 16:37:52 GMT
Perhaps the Icelanders should have turned up at the office once in a while or switched their phones on like normal businessmen would have? The Icelanders made a lot of almighty fuck ups that season. Not being held to ransom by Akinbiyi wasn't one of them, in my opinion. Perhaps but the reason for the 'lock in' making us a laughing stock was all down the greengrocers in absentia.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 17, 2014 16:40:42 GMT
The Icelanders made a lot of almighty fuck ups that season. Not being held to ransom by Akinbiyi wasn't one of them, in my opinion. Perhaps but the reason for the 'lock in' making us a laughing stock was all down the greengrocers in absentia. I think we're talking at cross purposes. The two things aren't mutually exclusive. Were the Icelanders incompetent and negligent? By the end, yes. Was Akinbiyi a greedy, ungrateful sod? Also yes.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 17, 2014 17:31:47 GMT
He's a Wolves fan. He - publicly - stated when leaving Vale that he would never manage Stoke.He ws true to his word then.An honourable man in football,not many of those. Played a huge role throughout his time at Stoke by helping to negate Scholes lack of...skills...when negotiating contracts with players,transfer arangements with clubs & so on. The idea that Coates was happy to spend £100k a year on a 'glorified scout' is absurd. & he is a very nice man. He didn't know that we couldn't sign Owen AFTER the transfer window had closed and then add him into our 25 man squad simply by ommitting someone to leave a gap for him. Someone explained the rules to him on the golf club car park the day before the window closed. The sheer panic on his face was worth seeing. Suffice to say, he didn't get from the car park to the golf . Sounds like a fantastic pissed up pub story that mate, sounds like you believe all the guff you hear. .
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Post by march4 on Sept 17, 2014 17:50:22 GMT
JR is one of the most respected figures in football.
Even people like SAF respect him.
What he did at Vale was nothing short of a miracle and the daft lot hounded him out of the club. At SCFC, he was a stable influence through the years of lunacy that he encountered. He became a vital conduit between SCFC and other clubs and their managers and also players and agents.
It is an honour to know him.
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