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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 10:38:18 GMT
whilst a realise it is a bit harsh on mark Wilson, I feel we are a stronger outfit with the huthmeister. not just his defensive organisation but also the threat he provides from set pieces.ed moses took some fantastic corners in the first half they were all crying out for a huth power header. imo he can certainly make a difference when teams are crowding us out like villa and liecester.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 15, 2014 10:40:05 GMT
He's either still not 100% fit or Hughes doesn't see him as a starter unless it's to replace an injured or suspended Shawcross. I suspect it's the latter.
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Post by block27row27 on Sept 15, 2014 10:40:57 GMT
whilst a realise it is a bit harsh on mark Wilson, I feel we are a stronger outfit with the huthmeister. not just his defensive organisation but also the threat he provides from set pieces.ed moses took some fantastic corners in the first half they were all crying out for a huth power header. imo he can certainly make a difference when teams are crowding us out like villa and liecester. Don't know who Mark Wilson is, doesn't he play for Dundee? Ed Moses on the other hand, sounds a real acquisition from your accounts. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 15, 2014 10:42:02 GMT
If Hughes continues to start the wrong forwards it's irrelevant who starts at the back. The back 4 is the least of our worries right now.
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Post by metalhead on Sept 15, 2014 10:42:23 GMT
Still convinced he's not 100% but we'll see.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 15, 2014 10:52:58 GMT
Has to play against Sunderland in the cup.
He needs games and needs to be in the first XI ASAP.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 15, 2014 11:03:17 GMT
Still several kilos over the weight he needs to be. It takes time.
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 15, 2014 11:22:40 GMT
Wilson will cost us a goal a game while we ae waiting.
3 goals conceded all of which Wilson was at fault for. The best way for him to lose his weight would be to play games, why is he not playing in the Under21 games?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:24:54 GMT
My lawnmower is knackered.
I think I'll go out and buy a new kettle.
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 15, 2014 11:28:44 GMT
My lawnmower is knackered. I think I'll go out and buy a new kettle. If we didn't concede then we would at worst draw the game. It would also help create space as teams leading 1-0 are likely to put even more defence minded players on to protect the lead so actually the leaky defence is part of the problem of lack of goals we need to tackle both problems. |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 15, 2014 11:29:02 GMT
Wilson will cost us a goal a game while we ae waiting. 3 goals conceded all of which Wilson was at fault for. The best way for him to lose his weight would be to play games, why is he not playing in the Under21 games? And our keeper gets off the hook? |
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Post by nott1 on Sept 15, 2014 11:33:16 GMT
Still several kilos over the weight he needs to be. It takes time. Even more of a deterrent for the opposition. Get him back! |
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 15, 2014 11:38:03 GMT
Wilson will cost us a goal a game while we ae waiting. 3 goals conceded all of which Wilson was at fault for. The best way for him to lose his weight would be to play games, why is he not playing in the Under21 games? And our keeper gets off the hook? Begovic has started poorly but the last 2 seasons has been magnificent! Wilson looked shakey last year and is not a centre half in my opinion as he ball watches and is too slow! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:40:10 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-0-Leicester-City-1-Goalshy-Potters/story-22925093-detail/story.htmlWILSON: Tackling was strong throughout and produced one exceptional goal-saving challenge 7/10 We had 60% possesion and created 24 attempts at goal. Of those 24, we managed just 4 on target (around 15% success rate) and none of those genuinely tested their keeper. That is absolutely woeful. When we're at home, the emphasis has to be on scoring goals. We've played Leicester and Villa and managed none. The reason people are highlighting Wilson is because he's an easy target. Nobody likes to turn the criticism on the popular players, say Bojan or Bego for example. The biggest problems we have are in the attacking third, and this is a problem that has plagued us for bloody years. Some people have their heads firmly in the sand. Swapping Wilson for Huth would be akin to taking your car to the local car wash and expecting it to fix the rust problem you've got.
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 15, 2014 11:42:01 GMT
And our keeper gets off the hook? Begovic has started poorly but the last 2 seasons has been magnificent! Wilson looked shakey last year and is not a centre half in my opinion as he ball watches and is too slow! You haven't answered the question? Is Beggo off the hook because you say all 3 goals were down to Wilson. |
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Post by Pugsley on Sept 15, 2014 11:43:29 GMT
We're conceding less than a goal a game. Is that not bad?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 11:48:53 GMT
Wilson will cost us a goal a game while we ae waiting. 3 goals conceded all of which Wilson was at fault for. The best way for him to lose his weight would be to play games, why is he not playing in the Under21 games? And our keeper gets off the hook? Agreed. Bego has started very poorly this season, he's worrying me more than our back 4. But it'll take time and he'll improve hopefully. |
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Post by potterpaul on Sept 15, 2014 11:57:50 GMT
And our keeper gets off the hook? Agreed. Bego has started very poorly this season, he's worrying me more than our back 4. But it'll take time and he'll improve hopefully. I think that's the point I'm trying to get across Jase, not only Beggo but also Ryan had a shaky start along with Wilson. I have read where yesterday's goal has been blamed on Wilson, Bardsley, Ryan and both Pieters and Walters were not in their expected positions. Surely it goes down as a unit failure rather than a single player. I think we as fans get a bit fragile when we concede. |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 15, 2014 12:02:56 GMT
We're conceding less than a goal a game. Is that not bad? One more goal than we need to right now. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 15, 2014 12:45:39 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-0-Leicester-City-1-Goalshy-Potters/story-22925093-detail/story.htmlWILSON: Tackling was strong throughout and produced one exceptional goal-saving challenge 7/10 We had 60% possesion and created 24 attempts at goal. Of those 24, we managed just 4 on target (around 15% success rate) and none of those genuinely tested their keeper. That is absolutely woeful. When we're at home, the emphasis has to be on scoring goals. We've played Leicester and Villa and managed none. The reason people are highlighting Wilson is because he's an easy target. Nobody likes to turn the criticism on the popular players, say Bojan or Bego for example. The biggest problems we have are in the attacking third, and this is a problem that has plagued us for bloody years. Some people have their heads firmly in the sand. Swapping Wilson for Huth would be akin to taking your car to the local car wash and expecting it to fix the rust problem you've got. Don't agree, Tom. Many (myself included) have long been saying that Wilson isn't a centre back and makes too many errors. As for him being an easy target as opposed to some of the "favourites", both players you name have had threads dedicated to their faults of late. Bojan hasn't taken his pre season form into the league and Bego has looked decidedly iffy so far. Wilson does his best and it's nothing personal but he isn't a good enough centre back for us as his stats from last season (and the obvious errors) highlighted. |
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 15, 2014 13:23:18 GMT
I will spell Wilson's mistakes out and then you tell me if you think he is not at fault and we can say its ok as Begovic and others played poorly. If Wilson had defended properly then Begovic would not have to be at fault (Hull goal apart) as the ball wouldn't have reached him.
v Villa - Went for a 50:50 with Weimann in our 18 yard box and lost out when he needed to win the tackle at all costs.
v Hull - Was ball watching and was not marking Jelovic who he should be picked up (He should have been touch tight not marking space).
v Leicester - Was again ball watching and his body shape was too square on to the cross meant he lost Ulloa (Listen to TP's analysis on Goals on Sunday, he is the best defensive coach in the Premiership over the past 5 years).
Do you not agree these are mistakes by Wilson?
It isn't anything personal, he just isnt a centre half. I think he could play as a centre midfielder if given a run of 5-10 games there, especially when we are trying to break teams down as his passing ability could be utilised.
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Post by blurtonboy on Sept 15, 2014 13:46:22 GMT
Seems to me, that some posters are still stuck with the Pulis mantra, of defend at all costs, we shall not concede ( never trying too win the bloody game in the first place ).
We have conceded less than a goal a game, nothing wrong with the defence in that respect, it's up top where we are really falling short ( 1/2 a goal a game ).
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Post by luke45 on Sept 15, 2014 15:54:44 GMT
I will spell Wilson's mistakes out and then you tell me if you think he is not at fault and we can say its ok as Begovic and others played poorly. If Wilson had defended properly then Begovic would not have to be at fault (Hull goal apart) as the ball wouldn't have reached him. v Villa - Went for a 50:50 with Weimann in our 18 yard box and lost out when he needed to win the tackle at all costs. v Hull - Was ball watching and was not marking Jelovic who he should be picked up (He should have been touch tight not marking space). v Leicester - Was again ball watching and his body shape was too square on to the cross meant he lost Ulloa (Listen to TP's analysis on Goals on Sunday, he is the best defensive coach in the Premiership over the past 5 years). Do you not agree these are mistakes by Wilson? It isn't anything personal, he just isnt a centre half. I think he could play as a centre midfielder if given a run of 5-10 games there, especially when we are trying to break teams down as his passing ability could be utilised. I just was just about to post the same, your description of each of those errors is spot on. He may well have performed well overall in the games this season but three costly errors is three costly errors whichever way you look at it, and I fear he has a costly mistake in him in most games at centre back. My concern with playing him in central midfield is that he still dwells on the ball too much and playing in midfield he is more likely to get dispossessed. He's a useful, versatile player to have but I would definitely be starting Huth at QPR on Saturday if he's available. At the end of the day, if he isn't match fit he shouldn't be in the squad, because there's nothing to say Wilson couldn't get an injury in the first minute of the match and Huth would be required to play 90 minutes. |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 15, 2014 16:35:39 GMT
We do to partner Wilson
Teams have sussed out that Shawcross is the weak spot of our defence, slow to turn, bad positioning, slow to get back into position, gets leg tied, etc and are targeting him.
In TP day he was protected by the way we played
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Post by metalhead on Sept 15, 2014 16:38:28 GMT
We do to partner Wilson Teams have sussed out that Shawcross is the weak spot of our defence, slow to turn, bad positioning, slow to get back into position, gets leg tied, etc and are targeting him. In TP day he was protected by the way we played Joke right? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 16:43:02 GMT
whilst a realise it is a bit harsh on mark Wilson, I feel we are a stronger outfit with the huthmeister. not just his defensive organisation but also the threat he provides from set pieces.ed moses took some fantastic corners in the first half they were all crying out for a huth power header. imo he can certainly make a difference when teams are crowding us out like villa and liecester. Don't know who Mark Wilson is, doesn't he play for Dundee? Ed Moses on the other hand, sounds a real acquisition from your accounts. Frank wilson had a northern soul hit in the 70, s "do I love you" ed moses was very quick, my irony is wasted on you  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 16:46:32 GMT
We do to partner Wilson Teams have sussed out that Shawcross is the weak spot of our defence, slow to turn, bad positioning, slow to get back into position, gets leg tied, etc and are targeting him. In TP day he was protected by the way we played Utter bollox |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 16:50:13 GMT
The forwards havent gelled yet much like last season, hopefully they will gel sooner rather than later, I just feel that huth organises the defense better and for me the shawcross huth partnership was the best pairing in the league, plus in tight games huthy can nick you a goal.
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Post by mark on Sept 15, 2014 17:08:07 GMT
We do to partner Wilson Teams have sussed out that Shawcross is the weak spot of our defence, slow to turn, bad positioning, slow to get back into position, gets leg tied, etc and are targeting him. In TP day he was protected by the way we played |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 17:18:49 GMT
We do to partner Wilson Teams have sussed out that Shawcross is the weak spot of our defence, slow to turn, bad positioning, slow to get back into position, gets leg tied, etc and are targeting him. In TP day he was protected by the way we played Complete and utter horseshit. |
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