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Post by kevkj on Sept 15, 2014 8:04:03 GMT
What the hell are we doing on the training ground.
Poor delivery 50% of the time and no movement whatsoever.
Like watching a game of statues.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 8:27:02 GMT
There was one corner in the first half where Crouch should have scored but apart from that zilch. For the corners it's the Crouch factor. Because of his height everything is just directed towards him.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2014 8:38:11 GMT
I totally agree.
The amount of wasted opportunities on Saturday from set pieces must have been well into double figures. Corners were particularly disappointing.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 15, 2014 8:40:51 GMT
Remember that awesome corner we scored a couple of years back when everyone made dummy runs before we planted it on the penalty spot for Walters to sweep it home? Hardly rocket science, just need a few new routines to try out. Even the odd short corner to keep teams guessing a little bit. Its too easy to just mark Crouch out
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 9:01:52 GMT
It's all about movement. What we should do is send forward the big guns and just before the ball is struck have them dashing wide and taking their markers. As they dash wide others can make diagonal runs into the box and use the space the big guns have created. As ever good delivery is required
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2014 9:02:34 GMT
You almost find yourself looking back with an air of misty eyed nostalgia to the days when Huth and Shawcross and Mama and Ric would strike terror in to the heart of opposition defenses in set piece situations. In the end perhaps you can't do everything. Can you be a passing team deploying an ingratiatingly pleasing brand of football and at the same time mix it with the heavy artillery when the occasion demands it or is that a trick too far  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 9:11:47 GMT
You almost find yourself looking back with an air of misty eyed nostalgia to the days when Huth and Shawcross and Mama and Ric would strike terror in to the heart of opposition defenses in set piece situations. In the end perhaps you can't do everything. Can you be a passing team deploying an ingratiatingly pleasing brand of football and at the same time mix it with the heavy artillery when the occasion demands it or is that a trick too far Yes you can. Stylish teams can also be good at set pieces. In fact a good set piece is a skill in itself. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 15, 2014 9:15:43 GMT
You almost find yourself looking back with an air of misty eyed nostalgia to the days when Huth and Shawcross and Mama and Ric would strike terror in to the heart of opposition defenses in set piece situations. In the end perhaps you can't do everything. Can you be a passing team deploying an ingratiatingly pleasing brand of football and at the same time mix it with the heavy artillery when the occasion demands it or is that a trick too far Chelsea, hell even Liverpool scored a load last season with Skrtel on the end of Gerrard corners |
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2014 9:22:23 GMT
yeah I know what you are saying cheekmatt and Joe but is it not a little like trying to get a baseliner in tennis to come in and volley? It kind of works on a 'not done well but you are surprised to find it done at all' basis. So Novak Djokovic has hired Boris Becker partly at least to help him break up the play by stepping and volleying on occasions but he is no natural and his fans must be watching through their fingers when he attempts it  |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 9:33:23 GMT
yeah I know what you are saying cheekmatt and Joe but is it not a little like trying to get a baseliner in tennis to come in and volley? It kind of works on a 'not done well but you are surprised to find it done at all' basis. So Novak Djokovic has hired Boris Becker partly at least to help him break up the play by stepping and volleying on occasions but he is no natural and his fans must be watching through their fingers when he attempts it If a player is deficient in an area the player needs to work on it. We are talking about top level players. And our set pieces need many hours of work. The shit side what did the treble in 1999 was full of top quality stars BUT, remember, the goal what won them the European Cup was a well practiced brilliantly executed corner. There's no reason our players shouldn't be able to become better at them. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 15, 2014 10:09:59 GMT
It is such a glaring weakness in our current play, I totally trust Hughes and his team to work on it to improve.
As the saying goes - you learn more from losing than you do from winning.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Sept 15, 2014 10:25:38 GMT
I think it's down to a few factors as Joe rightly points out purely having Crouch in the team is one. There's a predictability about our set-pieces even when Crouch isn't the target he's so bloody tall he often turns out to be the unintended target. It's not like a couple of years ago where we had Higgy, Jones, Huth, Shawcross who are all exceptional in the air and who could all be the target, it kept the opposition guessing. The other thing is we don't have s quality set-piece player anymore now Etherington has left.
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Post by kevkj on Sept 15, 2014 10:36:34 GMT
Would like to see Crouch in front of the near post flicking on corners ala Berry on Maguire s deliverys 80s.
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 10:39:55 GMT
Would like to see Crouch in front of the near post flicking on corners ala Berry on Maguire s deliverys 80s. That requires stunning almost mechanical accuracy from the corner taker. I'm not sure Crouch's heading ability would be up to it to be honest. |
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Post by kevkj on Sept 15, 2014 11:26:19 GMT
Joe, Crouch should be perfect with his height .You just stand there and flick it on,they cant come through the back of you there.
others then run on to meet it.
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Post by chuckrocky on Sept 15, 2014 11:31:14 GMT
Bring back Leon Cort!
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 13:02:51 GMT
Joe, Crouch should be perfect with his height .You just stand there and flick it on,they cant come through the back of you there. others then run on to meet it. I'm not sure he'd be that good at it. |
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Post by tazi on Sept 15, 2014 13:12:01 GMT
It'll be better in the 19th game.
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Post by babylon on Sept 15, 2014 13:13:15 GMT
Just to make you feel worse about set pieces, we're utter shit at defending them. Something bonkers like a third of our goals were conceded from set plays last year.
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Post by timbo1988 on Sept 15, 2014 13:16:41 GMT
The problem is we aim for Crouch who isn't the best header. Shawcross should be the one we are picking out. Crouch is not powerful enough to fend off his marker like Huth used to.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 15, 2014 13:41:24 GMT
There was one corner in the first half where Crouch should have scored but apart from that zilch. For the corners it's the Crouch factor. Because of his height everything is just directed towards him. What has happened to putting a man on the front post for a flick on or the odd short corner.Our corners are totally predictable and ineffective. |
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Post by prem4stoke on Sept 15, 2014 13:52:18 GMT
The problem is we aim for Crouch who isn't the best header. Shawcross should be the one we are picking out. Crouch is not powerful enough to fend off his marker like Huth used to. I think he headed three over the bar from memory, he can't seem to keep them down. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 14:07:57 GMT
There was one corner in the first half where Crouch should have scored but apart from that zilch. For the corners it's the Crouch factor. Because of his height everything is just directed towards him. What has happened to putting a man on the front post for a flick on or the odd short corner.Our corners are totally predictable and ineffective. I loved them in the 80s. I doubt any of our players have enough regular accuracy to make it effective |
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 15, 2014 14:12:24 GMT
What has happened to putting a man on the front post for a flick on or the odd short corner.Our corners are totally predictable and ineffective. I loved them in the 80s. I doubt any of our players have enough regular accuracy to make it effective Your right bring back Paul Maguire. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 14:18:07 GMT
I loved them in the 80s. I doubt any of our players have enough regular accuracy to make it effective Your right bring back Paul Maguire. John Motson said Maguire took better corners than Eder. |
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 15, 2014 14:44:34 GMT
Remember that awesome corner we scored a couple of years back when everyone made dummy runs before we planted it on the penalty spot for Walters to sweep it home? Hardly rocket science, just need a few new routines to try out. Even the odd short corner to keep teams guessing a little bit. Its too easy to just mark Crouch out That was a fantastic piece of work that set piece was. West Ham must have been surprised by that one. Its a shame we drew that match. |
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Post by adamsson on Sept 15, 2014 15:52:19 GMT
It has been mentioned that a lot teams are struggling with set pieces not just us which does make you wonder if the new ball is particularly light or bouncy. However we should be getting used to it by now and I think it is because we don'r work on them enough.
Under he who shall not be named we did nothing but set plays it seemed like they were all we ever played for when MH took over he seemed to go the other way and make no effort at all with set pieces to force the team to pass more.
We now are a passing side but we still seem to make little effort with the set pieces also we have no-one who is actually good at free kicks or corners.
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