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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:27:20 GMT
To under play the significance of these 2 home results (and performances) is as silly as going into panic mode. We will be playing many of the 'big boys' when they have settled into some form and those 6 points are going to look mighty significant when we go a few weeks not picking up any. Curbishley's assessment while not very pleasant on our ears is not all that unreasonable until we show we are capable of doing something different/better. The difference between the Villa performance and yesterday did not really suggest we had learned much. Against Villa we created nothing and never looked like doing so. Yesterday was vastly different in that we got into the right area's countless times. It will come. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 16:29:08 GMT
To under play the significance of these 2 home results (and performances) is as silly as going into panic mode. We will be playing many of the 'big boys' when they have settled into some form and those 6 points are going to look mighty significant when we go a few weeks not picking up any. Curbishley's assessment while not very pleasant on our ears is not all that unreasonable until we show we are capable of doing something different/better. The difference between the Villa performance and yesterday did not really suggest we had learned much. It's unreasonable after four games, yeah. |
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 14, 2014 16:31:17 GMT
I was in the Waddo,yesterday and Wheelan (who was MoM) was being interviewed by TC. Wheelan mentioned 3 times that teams were coming here giving us the respect we deserved after last year. It certainly got me thinking that we just think we can turn up and roll teams over at the Brit. The last two league games proves we can't and It needs sorting ASAP. interesting point but why didnt we learn this lesson after the Villa game? Next home game are we going to see Walters on the wing, one striker and 2 holding midfielders? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:44:55 GMT
No need to panic but I am a tad concerned about our finishing ability. We have lost our most natural finisher and I don't see anyone in the squad to replace him. I said it two weeks ago but against teams around us at home Charlie Adam has to start, he's unpredictable for sure but always has a goal in him. For me Bojan is not the answer,I'm not wiring him off but he really needs more time to bed in.
Overall not in panic mode but I am slightly concerned.
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Post by Miles Offside on Sept 14, 2014 16:46:39 GMT
Could be surprise contenders for the drop. Just been listening to him on Talkshite and apparently having not made a major signing to boost the squad and having a set of players that finished 10th, our 2 home defeats can be explained by complacency. He fancies us for the drop as a result apparently. He's not completely right, but he's not completely wrong either. There were times we showed a lack of urgency against Villa and again yesterday against Leicester. These are teams we really need to beat at home. Against Hull - especially after they went down to ten men - we were definitely complacent, until it turned to panic, then relief when we got the equaliser. There was No complacency against Man City. All the players were well up for it. I don't think we'll get relegated, but with what is probably the best squad outside the top 7 or 8 clubs it would be down to complacency and poor management if we did. |
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Post by salopstick on Sept 14, 2014 19:20:35 GMT
Beating man city a team we haven't before which points wise negates the loss against Leicester.
Certainly no need to worry or panic at this stage
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Post by StokieNath on Sept 14, 2014 19:46:51 GMT
Fuck that clown curbishley, definitely no need to panic YET, Look at Newcastle they certainly need to panic anyway we will be fine, easy 3 points v Newcastle if that Pardew is still the manager
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 14, 2014 20:33:06 GMT
Now let me get this right... we take 4 points from two away games at Hull and Man City, and somebody thinks we're complacent and are candidates for the drop? Am I missing something here?
OS.
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Post by Gods on Sept 14, 2014 21:53:28 GMT
Now let me get this right... we take 4 points from two away games at Hull and Man City, and somebody thinks we're complacent and are candidates for the drop? Am I missing something here? OS. yeah you are missing the 2 home games we fluffed  |
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Post by metalhead on Sept 14, 2014 21:57:38 GMT
Allowed his opinion.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 22:02:04 GMT
Yep he's allowed it. We're allowed to suggest it's a load of bollocks.
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Post by Linx on Sept 15, 2014 5:52:38 GMT
The 'problem' is that we have been transformed into a counter-attacking team, which is pretty effective away against Top Ten teams, but leaves us clueless against lower table teams that defend in depth at The Brit. We just lack the incisive nous to break down packed defences. Bojan was brought in to provide that and he hasn't quite bedded in yet. I think we all anticipated that a combination of Bojan and Arnie with Wingie and Diouf would provide us with flair in attack, and I am sure that this was in LMH's plans. But Arnie is still on the beach, Bojan is still learning the league, Wingie is injured and, although Diouf is starting to get going, he is denied goal-scoring opportunities by the lack of the first two factors. I maintain we would have got a better result at Hull if they hadn't gone down to ten men: they would have had a go at us, instead of feeling they had to defend deep, and we could have picked them off at the counter attack.
What worried me slightly is that we are looking a bit like Aston Villa of last season, although our defence is slightly better.
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Post by mcf on Sept 15, 2014 7:21:49 GMT
Now let me get this right... we take 4 points from two away games at Hull and Man City, and somebody thinks we're complacent and are candidates for the drop? Am I missing something here? OS. Yep, you are missing the 2 home games where we didn't score a fucking goal and lost both games.  We were equally as wank at Hull as we were against Villa. While we weren't out and out wank on Saturday...it was hardly a surprise that we lost 1-0....and they were pretty fucking shit too. No panic, but it's fucking painful nevertheless. |
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 15, 2014 7:33:43 GMT
Now let me get this right... we take 4 points from two away games at Hull and Man City, and somebody thinks we're complacent and are candidates for the drop? Am I missing something here? OS. Yep, you are missing the 2 home games where we didn't score a fucking goal and lost both games. We were equally as wank at Hull as we were against Villa. While we weren't out and out wank on Saturday...it was hardly a surprise that we lost 1-0....and they were pretty fucking shit too. No panic, but it's fucking painful nevertheless. If at all possible, I though we were even worse against Hull and bloody very very lucky to get a scrappy doo goal So despite a brilliant win against Man City, I have yet to buy in to the theory we will be better away from home |
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 15, 2014 7:38:02 GMT
Last season hurt a lot of people, they won't forget though.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Sept 15, 2014 7:41:16 GMT
Last season hurt a lot of people last season, they won't forget though. I thought last season ended absolutely fantastic and the early doors was a chap finding his feet with a new set of players Just a shame he tactically has regressed in these early doors - no more, no less |
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 15, 2014 7:44:34 GMT
Just postponed the poison and bile.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 15, 2014 7:59:11 GMT
If we'd have gotten 3 points against Villa and 1 against Leicester whilst losing both of our away games, would he be saying this? Doubt it.
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Post by ukcstokie on Sept 15, 2014 8:13:44 GMT
Possibly the only person associated with English football who is a bigger arsehole than Trevor Francis. Martin Keown. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 8:19:07 GMT
Since promotion our home form has been impressive. We finish last season on a high. The first two home games of this season are winnable yet we lose them both. If he considers us to be are complacent it's a rational observation.
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Post by scfc5 on Sept 15, 2014 9:07:47 GMT
Rational maybe, but wrong. Complacent would be true if the effort was lacking but that can't be alleged against the lads. They worked hard but didn't have the quality in the last third, and seemed reluctant to shoot when in good positions. Had Crouch headed in from the first-half corner, the day would have been very different. Perhaps we can be Pardew's swan song...
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 15, 2014 9:43:19 GMT
1st game against Villa: absolutely clueless. 2nd game against Hull: played poorly but got a point. 3rd game against Man City: outplayed; defended brilliantly and did a smash and grab. 4th game against Leicester: played them off the park. They defended brilliantly, had one chance and took it. Where is the complacency? Two games we were shit (not complacent), one game we pinched through brilliant defending (not complacent), and one game we needed a bit of luck but didn't get any (not complacent). Maybe if Adams had played we may have won. Maybe if that header or the volley from crouch had gone in we would have won. Maybe if that dipping volley from Bojan had been lower we would have won. Maybe a ricochet from the pressure we had might have gone in and we would have won. Maybe we should have had a penalty from the push in the back and we would have won. Maybe if Merkin had been on instead of N'zonzi we might have won.  Complacent? Maybe we should have been more complacent and continued using a passing game as we did in the first half instead of lumping a big ball up to Crouch and we might just have broken them down. But we can't do that. Too many supporters think a possession game is boring and boo the lads when they are looking for an opening. We're a work in progress with the new players Hughes has brought in, and not complacent? OS. |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2014 9:47:44 GMT
1st game against Villa: absolutely clueless. Too many supporters think a possession game is boring and boo the lads when they are looking for an opening. Possession football without purpose is life sapping. |
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 15, 2014 9:53:46 GMT
1st game against Villa: absolutely clueless. Too many supporters think a possession game is boring and boo the lads when they are looking for an opening. Possession football without purpose is life sapping. You're fucking life-sapping you rotund fucker. 4 games and every moaner in Kingdom *Cum comes out of the woodwork. I was as frustrated as anybody that we lost, but unlike some, I haven't lost my fucking marbles. My lad says live nogger won't be here in 30 years time. He's right. You lot will win the Champions League when all you have is Football Manager 2043.  OS. |
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Post by wuzza on Sept 15, 2014 9:56:26 GMT
When he talked of complacency I think Curbishly was refering to our recruitment policy rather than the actual performances - it was his opinion, rightly or wrongly, that our lack of outlay in the transfer window indicated that we were happy with our lot from last season and hadnt invested in taking things forward.
Money spent doesnt neccessarily represent progress but there is a grain of truth in that our owners have clearly decided that financial propriety takes precedence over other matters for the moment.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2014 10:01:50 GMT
Possession football without purpose is life sapping. You're fucking life-sapping you rotund fucker. 4 games and every moaner in Kingdom *Cum comes out of the woodwork. I was as frustrated as anybody that we lost, but unlike some, I haven't lost my fucking marbles. My lad says live nogger won't be here in 30 years time. He's right. You lot will win the Champions League when all you have is Football Manager 2043. OS. Most boring games in my lifetime. 1. Stoke 0 Villa 1 - Aug 2014 2. Stoke 0 Preston 0 - Dec 2004 3. Hull 1 Stoke 1 - Aug 2014 Possession football or long ball, no interest in troubling goalkeepers = Boooooooooooring! |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2014 10:03:46 GMT
When he talked of complacency I think Curbishly was refering to our recruitment policy rather than the actual performances - it was his opinion, rightly or wrongly, that our lack of outlay in the transfer window indicated that we were happy with our lot from last season and hadnt invested in taking things forward. Money spent doesnt neccessarily represent progress but there is a grain of truth in that our owners have clearly decided that financial propriety takes precedence over other matters for the moment. Massively strengthened the squad, marginally strengthened the first 11 if at all. |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 15, 2014 10:04:28 GMT
No complacency in my view.
Stoke had loads of possession, created loads of scoring opportunities/shots and corners/free kicks. They were just incompetent/unlucky in actually putting the ball in the net.
Villa deserved their result, they defended well and took one of their chances. just like Stoke at ManC.
Leicester were lucky and got out of gaol; even there goal was a bit streaky, on another day a forward would fail to convert the pass 9 times out of 10.
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 15, 2014 10:08:18 GMT
When he talked of complacency I think Curbishly was refering to our recruitment policy rather than the actual performances - it was his opinion, rightly or wrongly, that our lack of outlay in the transfer window indicated that we were happy with our lot from last season and hadnt invested in taking things forward. Money spent doesnt neccessarily represent progress but there is a grain of truth in that our owners have clearly decided that financial propriety takes precedence over other matters for the moment. I was happy with our lot from last season, and I seem to recall that this board was of the general opinion that Hughes had bought wisely in the close season. We can't spend mega bucks, so we have to be patient and try to improve as we go on. Losing Odemwinge hasn't helped us, but we have enough skill and options up front to progress. It's just a matter of bedding players in. It's the word 'complacent' that bugs me. If Curbishly means that we didn't spend megabucks then he need a reality check. I seem to recall that some clubs have gone down when they were not 'complacent', and finished up on the scrapheap. OS. |
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 15, 2014 10:10:05 GMT
He should know...... look what happened to Charlton!  |
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