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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 20:38:33 GMT
Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 20:38:33 GMT
And now your doing it with Bardsley? I gave Bardsley credit for his performances at Hull and Man City. I thought he did ok yesterday too but you can't ignore he was completely out of position for the goal. To ignore that and blame Wilson is just scapegoating. How was he completely out of position. He had a shot which cannoned off Shawcross and by the time Leicester got to our box, he was back in the right back position. AS for blame, even Tony Pulis blamed Wilson saying that his body shape was wrong and he had no idea where the forward was. He was also critical of Walters part in the goal as well. If Tony Pulis lays some blame on his two love children, then you can be damn near certain that of those culpable, messrs Wilson and Walters were the most culpable. Bardsley did absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion. It is very difficult to block a mishit shot that ends up being a decent cross.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:05:25 GMT
I gave Bardsley credit for his performances at Hull and Man City. I thought he did ok yesterday too but you can't ignore he was completely out of position for the goal. To ignore that and blame Wilson is just scapegoating. How was he completely out of position. He had a shot which cannoned off Shawcross and by the time Leicester got to our box, he was back in the right back position. AS for blame, even Tony Pulis blamed Wilson saying that his body shape was wrong and he had no idea where the forward was. He was also critical of Walters part in the goal as well. If Tony Pulis lays some blame on his two love children, then you can be damn near certain that of those culpable, messrs Wilson and Walters were the most culpable. Bardsley did absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion. It is very difficult to block a mishit shot that ends up being a decent cross. They had freedom of the city on Bardsley's side. He was out of position. Cameron did the same, you'd slate him.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:06:25 GMT
How was he completely out of position. He had a shot which cannoned off Shawcross and by the time Leicester got to our box, he was back in the right back position. AS for blame, even Tony Pulis blamed Wilson saying that his body shape was wrong and he had no idea where the forward was. He was also critical of Walters part in the goal as well. If Tony Pulis lays some blame on his two love children, then you can be damn near certain that of those culpable, messrs Wilson and Walters were the most culpable. Bardsley did absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion. It is very difficult to block a mishit shot that ends up being a decent cross. They had freedom of the city on Bardsley's side. He was out of position. Cameron did the same, you'd slate him. He wasn't out of position. Pieters is the only one out of position.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:08:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:08:51 GMT
Double standards.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:11:16 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:11:16 GMT
In what way? He's where he should be.
Double standards would be letting Pieters (a player I like) off the hook......
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:11:41 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 21:11:41 GMT
Bardsley could have done more to stop the cross, but it wasn't his man. The right winger, whoever it was at the time, should've been tracking him and he wasn't. That for me is the big issue.
But Wilson has no idea where Ulloa is just as he didn't Jelavic at Hull and that is worrying.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:13:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:13:37 GMT
In what way? He's where he should be. Double standards would be letting Pieters (a player I like) off the hook...... Bardsley is miles away from the winger. Giving him all the time and space to deliver the killer cross and assist for the goal. I'd like the full back a little bit closer, and applying a little bit of pressure.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:14:49 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 14, 2014 21:14:49 GMT
In what way? He's where he should be. Double standards would be letting Pieters (a player I like) off the hook...... Bardsley is miles away from the winger. Giving him all the time and space to deliver the killer cross and assist for the goal. I'd like the full back a little bit closer, and applying a little bit of pressure. It wasn't the winger it was the left back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:16:40 GMT
Bardsley is miles away from the winger. Giving him all the time and space to deliver the killer cross and assist for the goal. I'd like the full back a little bit closer, and applying a little bit of pressure. It wasn't the winger it was the left back. My apologies. The Leicester player occupying our right back area.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:16:54 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:16:54 GMT
In what way? He's where he should be. Double standards would be letting Pieters (a player I like) off the hook...... Bardsley is miles away from the winger. Giving him all the time and space to deliver the killer cross and assist for the goal. I'd like the full back a little bit closer, and applying a little bit of pressure. What Rob and wingy said.....
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:17:43 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 14, 2014 21:17:43 GMT
It wasn't the winger it was the left back. My apologies. The Leicester player occupying our right back area. God loves a trier.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:19:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:19:29 GMT
My apologies. The Leicester player occupying our right back area. God loves a trier. Indeed. If only he'd tried to get closer.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:21:58 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 14, 2014 21:21:58 GMT
I think the upshot is it was a very bad team goal to give away. They didn't even break away that fast.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:23:40 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:23:40 GMT
I think the upshot is it was a very bad team goal to give away. They didn't even break away that fast. It was but it just highlights why we can't trust Wilson in there for the long run. Hughes is mental for his trust in him.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:24:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 21:24:24 GMT
I think the upshot is it was a very bad team goal to give away. They didn't even break away that fast. All 3 goals have been. Some blame Wilson for all 3 though. Scapegoat.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:26:06 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:26:06 GMT
I think the upshot is it was a very bad team goal to give away. They didn't even break away that fast. All 3 goals have been. Some blame Wilson for all 3 though. Scapegoat. Well when he's making the same mistake over again then it's only fair. He's a liability.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:29:00 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 14, 2014 21:29:00 GMT
I think the upshot is it was a very bad team goal to give away. They didn't even break away that fast. All 3 goals have been. Some blame Wilson for all 3 though. Scapegoat. He's certainly been involved in the goals we've conceded as has Begovic in two, as have the two holding midfielders for not doing their jobs. I wouldn't mind a jot if Huth was picked over Wilson next week but to blame him outright for all three goal is a million miles wide of the mark.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:30:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:30:31 GMT
All 3 goals have been. Some blame Wilson for all 3 though. Scapegoat. He's certainly been involved in the goals we've conceded as has Begovic in two, as have the two holding midfielders for not doing their jobs. I wouldn't mind a jot if Huth was picked over Wilson next week but to blame him outright for all three goal is a million miles wide of the mark. Not knowing where your man is a fundamental flaw in a centre back's game no?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:34:31 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 21:34:31 GMT
How was he completely out of position. He had a shot which cannoned off Shawcross and by the time Leicester got to our box, he was back in the right back position. AS for blame, even Tony Pulis blamed Wilson saying that his body shape was wrong and he had no idea where the forward was. He was also critical of Walters part in the goal as well. If Tony Pulis lays some blame on his two love children, then you can be damn near certain that of those culpable, messrs Wilson and Walters were the most culpable. Bardsley did absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion. It is very difficult to block a mishit shot that ends up being a decent cross. They had freedom of the city on Bardsley's side. He was out of position. Cameron did the same, you'd slate him. He'd had a shot which was blocked by his own player. Bardsley was not at fault and in identical circumstances nor would Cameron have been.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 14, 2014 21:36:42 GMT
He's certainly been involved in the goals we've conceded as has Begovic in two, as have the two holding midfielders for not doing their jobs. I wouldn't mind a jot if Huth was picked over Wilson next week but to blame him outright for all three goal is a million miles wide of the mark. Not knowing where your man is a fundamental flaw includes a centre back's game no? His ability to loose his man is second only to Danny Collins.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:38:02 GMT
Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 14, 2014 21:38:02 GMT
He's certainly been involved in the goals we've conceded as has Begovic in two, as have the two holding midfielders for not doing their jobs. I wouldn't mind a jot if Huth was picked over Wilson next week but to blame him outright for all three goal is a million miles wide of the mark. Not knowing where your man is a fundamental flaw in a centre back's game no? Having watched it again, I would agree Wilson is probably most to blame yesterday, where half the side didn't cover themselves in glory. Arguably the same for Villa but the keeper has to do better. Against Hull, he failed to mop up a bad Begovic error. In the middle of all that he was faultless at City. My bigger concern is not errors at the back its our ineptitude in and around the goal and the lack of decent chances 65% + worth of possession has yielded in 3 of the 4 games.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:38:04 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 21:38:04 GMT
They had freedom of the city on Bardsley's side. He was out of position. Cameron did the same, you'd slate him. He wasn't out of position. Pieters is the only one out of position. Pieters wasn't out of position either. He had filled the gap vacated by Shawcross who, as the moved developed, was lying down on the edge of their box. How Shawcross even got back at all was a miracle and puts paid to the myth of him being slow.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:40:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:40:45 GMT
He wasn't out of position. Pieters is the only one out of position. Pieters wasn't out of position either. He had filled the gap vacated by Shawcross who, as the moved developed, was lying down on the edge of their box. How Shawcross even got back at all was a miracle and puts paid to the myth of him being slow. He has no business going over there for me Johnno. Shawcross is back there, as my picture way back in the thread shows. Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:44:31 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 21:44:31 GMT
Pieters wasn't out of position either. He had filled the gap vacated by Shawcross who, as the moved developed, was lying down on the edge of their box. How Shawcross even got back at all was a miracle and puts paid to the myth of him being slow. He has no business going over there for me Johnno. Shawcross is back there, as my picture way back in the thread shows. Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be. Watch it from when they picked the ball up. Pieters filled in for the absent Shawcross as he should have done. Shawcross arrived back late at which point Erik had no chance of getting back across to the other side of Wilson. Even Tony Pulis laid the blame at the feet of Wilson and even heaped some on to Walters.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:48:29 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:48:29 GMT
He has no business going over there for me Johnno. Shawcross is back there, as my picture way back in the thread shows. Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be. Watch it from when they picked the ball up. Pieters filled in for the absent Shawcross as he should have done. Shawcross arrived back late at which point Erik had no chance of getting back across to the other side of Wilson. Even Tony Pulis laid the blame at the feet of Wilson and even heaped some on to Walters. I think it's mainly them pair and Pieters tbh. I don't think he should be over there. Walters is just brainless and switches off (it's what he does-he can't defend). And Wilson just hasn't got a clue of what's around him as we've come to expect. Much like Collins, the defence of the player by those on here is better than what he offers on the pitch.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:58:30 GMT
Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 14, 2014 21:58:30 GMT
Don't understand why it's always Wilson's fault??????? If it came from a Shawcross mistake it would still be Wilson's fault to some!!! How about focusing a little more on his plus side as well..........like that perfectly timed challenge in the area!!!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 21:59:31 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 21:59:31 GMT
Don't understand why it's always Wilson's fault??????? If it came from a Shawcross mistake it would still be Wilson's fault to some!!! How about focusing a little more on his plus side as well..........like that perfectly timed challenge in the area!!! But when he's actually making mistakes and it's costing us points.....like he has, what's the issue?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 22:04:13 GMT
Post by terrorofturfmoor on Sept 14, 2014 22:04:13 GMT
Don't understand why it's always Wilson's fault??????? If it came from a Shawcross mistake it would still be Wilson's fault to some!!! How about focusing a little more on his plus side as well..........like that perfectly timed challenge in the area!!! But when he's actually making mistakes and it's costing us points.....like he has, what's the issue? So majority of goals we concede are quite literally down to Wilson??? Okay!!! Wonder who'll get the blame when Huth regains his place???
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 22:04:25 GMT
Post by timbo1988 on Sept 14, 2014 22:04:25 GMT
TP on goals on Sunday blamed Wilson. Said he was too square on to the ball and lost his man behind him through ball watching.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 22:06:15 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 22:06:15 GMT
But when he's actually making mistakes and it's costing us points.....like he has, what's the issue? So majority of goals we concede are quite literally down to Wilson??? Okay!!! Wonder who'll get the blame when Huth regains his place??? This season he's played his part in everyone we've conceded yes. Even his surrogate Dad TP is seemingly blaming him.
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