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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:19:37 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Sept 14, 2014 17:19:37 GMT
Ok, so you think Hughes is wrong for picking him. Who would you have playing alongside Shawcross? Huth or Muniesa, both are better than Wilson. We needed to sign a centre half in the summer though imo. Wilson as he keeps proving is trouble. Hughes doesn't think they are, or he'd play one of them. Huth is definitely better, but is he fully back in the groove after a long lay off? I just don't see Muniesa as a CB.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:31:20 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 17:31:20 GMT
Huth or Muniesa, both are better than Wilson. We needed to sign a centre half in the summer though imo. Wilson as he keeps proving is trouble. Hughes doesn't think they are, or he'd play one of them. Huth is definitely better, but is he fully back in the groove after a long lay off? I just don't see Muniesa as a CB. He never will be if he doesn't play. Muniesa did well there when played and if he can cope with Andy Carroll then his size/strength isn't an issue. He's better than Wilson at every aspect of being a centre back. As for Hughes, there are lots of question marks around him this season so far for me.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:41:55 GMT
Post by lordb on Sept 14, 2014 17:41:55 GMT
I thought Wilson was very good yesterday. However Shawcross & Huth is the best pairing we have.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:46:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:46:54 GMT
Really? Losing 80/20s in his favour on the halfway line? Going walkies for the goal? Bardsley went walkies for the goal. 4 games played, 3 goals conceded. Not too bad from a defensive point of view. 4 games played, 2 goals scored. No where near good enough. The problem isn't Wilson, but some people will always see what they want to. We've got a very good centre half in Huth waiting in the wings. If Wilson was half the liability some make him out to be, he wouldn't be keeping the shirt. Why not turn the spotlight on the attackers who have failed massively once again? I won't disagree that the forwards mis-fired. That doesn't mean Wilson hasn't been a bit ropey this season. I thought he was off against Villa, poor at Hull, very good against Man City and back to his dopey best yesterday. I thought he was very good on the whole last season but you can't really argue with what is in front of us thus far. Crouch and co. are always the conundrum. Crouch holds the ball up better than anyone we have yet knackers the system up with his lack of pace. Diouf needs a partner and Walters runs around a lot. As i've said in another thread, the balance hasn't been found yet but it will. re. Huth. I don't think Hughes rates him.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:51:20 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2014 17:51:20 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder where people put their focus! We have only conceded three goals in four games and this includes a very difficult away game against world class strikers! On the other hand we have only scored 2 goals in 4 games which must be below our average in the worst season under TP, and people want to spend £12M on a central defender here! We have a solid defence, and we have good players waiting for a chance as well! Our problem right now is the lack of goals so try to keep focused! All three goals have been Wilson's fault, does that not concern you? We haven't got a solid defence at all. There's a weak link and every mistake he makes is punished and it's cost us 4 points. The attack is a concern obviously but having a weak link at the back makes it worse. I must say to single out Wilson for all the three goals is to me completely wrong. Would you say Bego is a liability as he clearly played a big part in the first two? I must also say that when Leicester scored we had 7 players in our own box and Leicester only 2, and it was almost a miracle that ball came through to Ulloa. Severeal players could and should have stopped the ball so why single out Wilson? This is one of the things I dislike about this board that some members always want to single out one player! This is a team play you know!
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Post by mrpickles on Sept 14, 2014 17:53:39 GMT
I don't understand this 'the defence isn't the problem' nonsense.
Yes we've only conceded 3 goals but all 3 have been sloppy as fuck, 2 came against teams who didn't look like they even wanted to score, and the other came against 10 men. The defence was outstanding against Man City though in fairness.
Scoring goals is obviously a major concern, but I can't help thinking that we'll be fine in the long run on that front, considering the attacking players we have. However, there can be no doubt whatsoever that we have lost points because of defensive lapses, and Marc Wilson could have done something about all 3 that we have conceded so far.
Huth desperately needs to be reunited with Ryan, and if his fitness levels aren't up to it anymore then we need a new centre half in January (assuming that Hughes isn't going to give Muniesa a run out there).
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:57:13 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 17:57:13 GMT
All three goals have been Wilson's fault, does that not concern you? We haven't got a solid defence at all. There's a weak link and every mistake he makes is punished and it's cost us 4 points. The attack is a concern obviously but having a weak link at the back makes it worse. I must say to single out Wilson for all the three goals is to me completely wrong. Would you say Bego is a liability as he clearly played a big part in the first two? I must also say that when Leicester scored we had 7 players in our own box and Leicester only 2, and it was almost a miracle that ball came through to Ulloa. Severeal players could and should have stopped the ball so why single out Wilson? This is one of the things I dislike about this board that some members always want to single out one player! This is a team play you know! Bego has money in the bank, Wilson was doing this last season and he hasn't improved any this season. Wilson had no idea where his man was, that's unacceptable. And I'm singling him out because he's done it a lot and it's costing us. He's a big problem we have, the sooner people realise the better.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:58:19 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:58:19 GMT
All three goals have been Wilson's fault, does that not concern you? We haven't got a solid defence at all. There's a weak link and every mistake he makes is punished and it's cost us 4 points. The attack is a concern obviously but having a weak link at the back makes it worse. I must say to single out Wilson for all the three goals is to me completely wrong. Would you say Bego is a liability as he clearly played a big part in the first two? I must also say that when Leicester scored we had 7 players in our own box and Leicester only 2, and it was almost a miracle that ball came through to Ulloa. Severeal players could and should have stopped the ball so why single out Wilson? This is one of the things I dislike about this board that some members always want to single out one player! This is a team play you know! If you haven't already figured it out mate, Wilson is his scapegoat. No point in trying to look for logic in his misguided ramblings.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:00:02 GMT
Post by potterglen on Sept 14, 2014 18:00:02 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Ay up hes off again, Bayern and defenders. First to cop it was Geoff Cameron who's out injured so starts ranting about Wilson. Predictable as ever Bayern, change the record eeh?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:01:36 GMT
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Post by baltipiesmuggler on Sept 14, 2014 18:01:36 GMT
Had a poor game I thought, and based on Hughes rotation plans if Huth is anywhere near fit, he needs a chance.
That being said I don't think Wilson deserves much grief particularly. Sometimes form drops. That's football.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:02:51 GMT
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Post by jonnybravo on Sept 14, 2014 18:02:51 GMT
The villa goal and the goal yesterday came from the left side of defence, majority of Leicesters attacks came down the left,looks like teams think he's our weak spot
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:11:39 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:11:39 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Ay up hes off again, Bayern and defenders. First to cop it was Geoff Cameron who's out injured so starts ranting about Wilson. Predictable as ever Bayern, change the record eeh? Cameron got dropped.....
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:28:41 GMT
Post by pedro23 on Sept 14, 2014 18:28:41 GMT
The fucking issue is us not scoring goals!!! No it's not this is a Wilson is shit thread! Can't understand why Hughes keeps picking him, surely Huth playing one leg has to be a better option.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:29:48 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:29:48 GMT
Huth playing whilst doing a handstand would be better.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 18:31:00 GMT
If we're giving away stupid, avoidable goals every week, that's every bit as much of a problem as the inability to score at the other end.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:34:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:34:56 GMT
If we're giving away stupid, avoidable goals every week, that's every bit as much of a problem as the inability to score at the other end. Bego was poor at Hull, Bardsley yesterday - why single out Wilson?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:36:53 GMT
Post by adamsson on Sept 14, 2014 18:36:53 GMT
If we're giving away stupid, avoidable goals every week, that's every bit as much of a problem as the inability to score at the other end. Indeed and if you give away a goal it lifts the confidence of the other team and helps them defend would either Villa or Leicester have kept a clean sheet if they hadn't scored?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:36:57 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:36:57 GMT
If we're giving away stupid, avoidable goals every week, that's every bit as much of a problem as the inability to score at the other end. Bego was poor at Hull, Bardsley yesterday - why single out Wilson? Bardsley was fine yesterday. And why Wilson? Because he's been involved all of the 3 goals and it's a continuation of him being a liability from last season? Oh and it's costing us big time!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:37:57 GMT
Post by Gods on Sept 14, 2014 18:37:57 GMT
It's great fun picking on Wilson but defensively we remain mostly very sound, trouble is we can't buy a goal.
In the end you can find someone to blame for any goal if you really want to and if you must go down that route then Bego is ahead of Wilson so far this term and no one is calling for his cock on the block.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:40:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:40:10 GMT
Bego was poor at Hull, Bardsley yesterday - why single out Wilson? Bardsley was fine yesterday. And why Wilson? Because he's been involved all of the 3 goals and it's a continuation of him being a liability from last season? Oh and it's costing us big time! They had the freedom of the city on Bardsley's side for the goal. If it was Cameron playing, I'd guarantee you'd be criticising him for being out of position and having no idea where his man was. Opinion becomes invalid when it is formed purely on whether you like the player or not. I should know. I did it with Glenn last season.
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Post by Kjones9 on Sept 14, 2014 18:41:02 GMT
Bardsley was fine yesterday. And why Wilson? Because he's been involved all of the 3 goals and it's a continuation of him being a liability from last season? Oh and it's costing us big time! They had the freedom of the city on Bardsley's side for the goal. If it was Cameron playing, I'd guarantee you'd be criticising him for being out of position and having no idea where his man was. Opinion becomes invalid when it is formed purely on whether you like the player or not. I should know. I did it with Glenn last season. And now your doing it with Bardsley?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 18:42:11 GMT
If we're giving away stupid, avoidable goals every week, that's every bit as much of a problem as the inability to score at the other end. Bego was poor at Hull, Bardsley yesterday - why single out Wilson? I thought several people were to blame for the goal yesterday but it's a common theme with Wilson unfortunately.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 18:42:36 GMT
It's great fun picking on Wilson but defensively we remain mostly very sound, trouble is we can't buy a goal. In the end you can find someone to blame for any goal if you really want to and if you must go down that route then Bego is ahead of Wilson so far this term and no one is calling for his cock on the block. Almost apart from the stupid, avoidable goals in three quarters of our games.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:43:58 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:43:58 GMT
Bardsley was fine yesterday. And why Wilson? Because he's been involved all of the 3 goals and it's a continuation of him being a liability from last season? Oh and it's costing us big time! They had the freedom of the city on Bardsley's side for the goal. If it was Cameron playing, I'd guarantee you'd be criticising him for being out of position and having no idea where his man was. Opinion becomes invalid when it is formed purely on whether you like the player or not. I should know. I did it with Glenn last season. Yeah Walters or Moses were nowhere to be seen, one of them should have been there. And it's not like our full backs stop crosses anyway, it's something that's been pissing me off for years. Cameron would have probably been on the halfway line! It's got nothing to do with liking him or not, I think Bardsley is generally a fucking awful right back for instance.....
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:44:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:44:14 GMT
They had the freedom of the city on Bardsley's side for the goal. If it was Cameron playing, I'd guarantee you'd be criticising him for being out of position and having no idea where his man was. Opinion becomes invalid when it is formed purely on whether you like the player or not. I should know. I did it with Glenn last season. And now your doing it with Bardsley? I gave Bardsley credit for his performances at Hull and Man City. I thought he did ok yesterday too but you can't ignore he was completely out of position for the goal. To ignore that and blame Wilson is just scapegoating.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:49:49 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:49:49 GMT
And now your doing it with Bardsley? I gave Bardsley credit for his performances at Hull and Man City. I thought he did ok yesterday too but you can't ignore he was completely out of position for the goal. To ignore that and blame Wilson is just scapegoating. I haven't ignored that... My point is, it's another in a long line of Wilson showing he's not a defender and it leading to a goal fuck ups.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:50:29 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 18:50:29 GMT
I thought it was Bardsley who looked dizzy and confused as the ball came in? What pissed me off is that Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be, it should have been dealt with. Bardsley should stop the cross....but our full backs never stop crosses. Pieters is waaaaay out of position, absolutely dreadful from him. Walters fills in for Pieters for phase 1, then phase 2 he switches off, stops and doesn't cover, absolutely brainless. Wilson should know where Ulloa, it's his man but he has no sodding idea until it's too late. For me he just hasn't got a defensive instinct. A good centre half marks his man and stops the goal. See!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 18:54:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 18:54:17 GMT
What pissed me off is that Bardsley, Shawcross and Wilson are all where they should be, it should have been dealt with. Bardsley should stop the cross....but our full backs never stop crosses. Pieters is waaaaay out of position, absolutely dreadful from him. Walters fills in for Pieters for phase 1, then phase 2 he switches off, stops and doesn't cover, absolutely brainless. Wilson should know where Ulloa, it's his man but he has no sodding idea until it's too late. For me he just hasn't got a defensive instinct. A good centre half marks his man and stops the goal. See! Fair play mate. Anyway, time to cheer up now. X Factor time
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 19:45:29 GMT
Post by potterglen on Sept 14, 2014 19:45:29 GMT
The fucking issue is us not scoring goals!!! No it's not this is a Wilson is shit thread! Can't understand why Hughes keeps picking him, surely Huth playing one leg has to be a better option. Yes, as long as you dont want him to actually pass the ball.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 20:13:08 GMT
Post by iglugluk on Sept 14, 2014 20:13:08 GMT
Wilson is a player of worth, of that there is no doubt.... but Huth is the better defender at CB. He can also provide a significant contribution with attacking at set pieces hence his goal scoring record at Stoke. Therefore it's Huth, when he's fit, over Wilson...every time.
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