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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:57:40 GMT
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Post by tazi on Sept 14, 2014 13:57:40 GMT
Thought that he had a pretty decent game overall and unfortunate that every mistake is getting punished. However after saying that if he's making them on a regular basis then perhaps he just isn't simply good enough to play central defence.
Said quite sometime ago that the only place that he could get a game would be at left back because in midfield he's mentally too slow of what is around him but now we've got a left back in Pieters and an able deputy in Muniesa 'who I think is a bloody good player and a great but by Hughes' I believe Marc Wilson is on borrowed time when it comes to a place in the starting eleven.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:58:25 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 13:58:25 GMT
Are we saying that Ulloa getting past Shawcross in the build up waaaaaaay before the goal is the biggest reason why they scored? Well if Wilson/Huth/Faye had not stop Ulloa on the edge of the box they would be getting blame by you lot
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 14:00:07 GMT
Are we saying that Ulloa getting past Shawcross in the build up waaaaaaay before the goal is the biggest reason why they scored? Well if Wilson/Huth/Faye had not stop Ulloa on the edge of the box they would be getting blame by you lot Why do you hate Shawcross so much?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:07:10 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Sept 14, 2014 14:07:10 GMT
I thought it was Bardsley who looked dizzy and confused as the ball came in? I thought he was the only one who seemed to know what he was doing. The centre halves, Pieters and Walters are all in a tizz and Christ knows who should've been tracking Konchesky. Given that Konchesky appeared on their left wing I would have thought our right back should have been somewhere near him. We had several players back in our box when the cross came in but there was no pressure at all on Konchesky. Surely one of those covering the central part of the area should have had their eye on the their left wing and been making an effort to stop the cross.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:09:05 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 14:09:05 GMT
Well if Wilson/Huth/Faye had not stop Ulloa on the edge of the box they would be getting blame by you lot Why do you hate Shawcross so much? I don't hate anyone Like l have said before , think Ryan is a decent player, but can't understand why every other player is blamed, but Ryan is beyond criticism
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 14:09:20 GMT
I thought he was the only one who seemed to know what he was doing. The centre halves, Pieters and Walters are all in a tizz and Christ knows who should've been tracking Konchesky. Given that Konchesky appeared on their left wing I would have thought our right back should have been somewhere near him. We had several players back in our box when the cross came in but there was no pressure at all on Konchesky. Surely one of those covering the central part of the area should have had their eye on the their left wing and been making an effort to stop the cross. Fair point, on seeing it again. Given he's their left back though shouldn't our right winger have been somewhere near him?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 14:09:39 GMT
Why do you hate Shawcross so much? I don't hate anyone Like l have said before , think Ryan is a decent player, but can't understand why every other player is blamed, but Ryan is beyond criticism I can't see why you find a way to blame him for every goal we concede.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:15:11 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 14:15:11 GMT
I don't hate anyone Like l have said before , think Ryan is a decent player, but can't understand why every other player is blamed, but Ryan is beyond criticism I can't see why you find a way to blame him for every goal we concede. I don't
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Post by adi on Sept 14, 2014 14:16:40 GMT
The fucking issue is us not scoring goals!!!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:21:23 GMT
Post by roylandstoke on Sept 14, 2014 14:21:23 GMT
Given that Konchesky appeared on their left wing I would have thought our right back should have been somewhere near him. We had several players back in our box when the cross came in but there was no pressure at all on Konchesky. Surely one of those covering the central part of the area should have had their eye on the their left wing and been making an effort to stop the cross. Fair point, on seeing it again. Given he's their left back though shouldn't our right winger have been somewhere near him? Walters and Moses seemed to have switched sides in our attacking movement prior to their break. I know Walters ended up somewhere on the left side of our box as they were scoring. Moses was totally absent from any defensive postion at the time. I don't really think we have brought Moses in for his defensive qualities though, so we should expect that at times he will be downfield when the opposition are on the attack. We did have about 7 players back, which should have been enough to deal with the 3 or 4 they had in their break if everyone had done their own job and kept an eye on their area of the pitch.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:32:49 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 14:32:49 GMT
I can't see why you find a way to blame him for every goal we concede. I don't You've blamed him for at least two this season and called for him to be dropped after the Villa game. It's your opinion fair enough, I just really don't see where you're coming from if you think he's the problem with our defence.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 14:34:04 GMT
Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 14:34:04 GMT
Fair point, on seeing it again. Given he's their left back though shouldn't our right winger have been somewhere near him? Walters and Moses seemed to have switched sides in our attacking movement prior to their break. I know Walters ended up somewhere on the left side of our box as they were scoring. Moses was totally absent from any defensive postion at the time. I don't really think we have brought Moses in for his defensive qualities though, so we should expect that at times he will be downfield when the opposition are on the attack. We did have about 7 players back, which should have been enough to deal with the 3 or 4 they had in their break if everyone had done their own job and kept an eye on their area of the pitch. It's still not acceptable for him to have that much room to operate in and get a ball across unchallenged though. Whoever plays wide is going to have to muck in defensively and help their full back out. Moses was great at that at the Etihad.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 15:16:51 GMT
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Post by stokemanusa on Sept 14, 2014 15:16:51 GMT
I said it on Match day thread and Agree with Bayern. Wilson switched off allowing Ulloa to drift. Pieters as well should have closed. But Wilson needs to have his hand near his man and not ball watching. Trying to make wilson into a marking cb hasn't worked. But Huths injury woes and possible lack of mobility leads me to think we need a left footed CB who is experienced and a natural desperately soon. All our goals against have been on or by mark wilson's man. Fact. Anyone have Lescott's number?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 15:32:51 GMT
Post by althoughra on Sept 14, 2014 15:32:51 GMT
Calling someone a liar is not acceptable in any decent post. so please look elsewhere for your entertainment.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 15:35:13 GMT
Post by althoughra on Sept 14, 2014 15:35:13 GMT
This is just a game, not a life style
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 14, 2014 16:10:08 GMT
Went past him like he wasn't there? You do know you can't tackle players who aren't in possession don't you? I've not watched it back but from memory I'm amazed Ryan got back because didn't the goal start from him having his legs taken from under him when that shot hit him? Shawcross was the near post defender as the ball was coming in from their left and Wilson was the far post defender. That's why Ulloa was Wilson's man as he scored at the far post. Ulloa had the ball on the edge of the box went pass Shawcross who did his usual stick his leg out, Ulloa then pass the ball out to the wing and runs into the box Watch the game, were you there ? Highlights are available Right yeah when he was running back after being dropped to the deck following the set piece. It's clearly his fault and he should have left the neat post to babysit Wilson on the far stick. Makes perfect sense now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:52:41 GMT
180 minutes of football against Leicester and Villa - 0 goals....and some people still think Wilson is the problem. The stupidity on this place is unreal at times.
Bardsley gave the winger the freedom of the city to get the ball into the box for the goal. As for Ulloa, he was originally Shawcross's man and he just leaves him and runs across the face of goal, which leaves the striker as Wilson's man. The problem was, there was absolutely no communication as the play unfolded. To pinpoint Wilson is nothing more than scapegoating.
Wilson had another good game, which is the reason he is retaining the shirt. Most sensible fans will acknowledge that.
The problems lie at the other end of the pitch. 4 games, 2 goals scored. Simply not good enough.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 16:53:33 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Sept 14, 2014 16:53:33 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Wilson and Walters really are the whipping boys, aren't they? Wilson didn't have a bad game yesterday. In fact, he made a brilliant tackle in the box at one point. Since he came to Stoke he's been a good pro filling in at different positions. We didn't lose because of him yesterday. We lost because we didn't take our chances and (possibly) because our two penalty appeals were turned down.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:54:14 GMT
180 minutes of football against Leicester and Villa - 0 goals....and some people still think Wilson is the problem. The stupidity on this place is unreal at times. Bardsley gave the winger the freedom of the city to get the ball into the box for the goal. As for Ulloa, he was originally Shawcross's man and he just leaves him and runs across the face of goal, which leaves the striker as Wilson's man. The problem was, there was absolutely no communication as the play unfolded. To pinpoint Wilson is nothing more than scapegoating. Wilson had another good game, which is the reason he is retaining the shirt. Most sensible fans will acknowledge that. The problems lie at the other end of the pitch. 4 games, 2 goals scored. Simply not good enough. Wilson did not have a good game though, did he? Shawcross is carrying him.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 16:56:45 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 16:56:45 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Wilson and Walters really are the whipping boys, aren't they? Wilson didn't have a bad game yesterday. In fact, he made a brilliant tackle in the box at one point. Since he came to Stoke he's been a good pro filling in at different positions. We didn't lose because of him yesterday. We lost because we didn't take our chances and (possibly) because our two penalty appeals were turned down. Like usual he played ok for the majority but when it matters he lets us down, you cannot do that as a central defender. We've never been prolific goalscorers and we have to rely on a solid defence, this bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the amount of errors he makes that leads to goals, we can't afford it.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 16:56:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:56:48 GMT
180 minutes of football against Leicester and Villa - 0 goals....and some people still think Wilson is the problem. The stupidity on this place is unreal at times. Bardsley gave the winger the freedom of the city to get the ball into the box for the goal. As for Ulloa, he was originally Shawcross's man and he just leaves him and runs across the face of goal, which leaves the striker as Wilson's man. The problem was, there was absolutely no communication as the play unfolded. To pinpoint Wilson is nothing more than scapegoating. Wilson had another good game, which is the reason he is retaining the shirt. Most sensible fans will acknowledge that. The problems lie at the other end of the pitch. 4 games, 2 goals scored. Simply not good enough. Wilson did not have a good game though, did he? Shawcross is carrying him. Yes, he did have a good game.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 16:58:15 GMT
Wilson did not have a good game though, did he? Shawcross is carrying him. Yes, he did have a good game. Really? Losing 80/20s in his favour on the halfway line? Going walkies for the goal?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 16:58:46 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 16:58:46 GMT
Rossi and WD think he's a good defender, that's all you need to know!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:00:38 GMT
Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2014 17:00:38 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder where people put their focus! We have only conceded three goals in four games and this includes a very difficult away game against world class strikers! On the other hand we have only scored 2 goals in 4 games which must be below our average in the worst season under TP, and people want to spend £12M on a central defender here! We have a solid defence, and we have good players waiting for a chance as well! Our problem right now is the lack of goals so try to keep focused!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:01:59 GMT
Post by Miles Offside on Sept 14, 2014 17:01:59 GMT
Wilson and Walters really are the whipping boys, aren't they? Wilson didn't have a bad game yesterday. In fact, he made a brilliant tackle in the box at one point. Since he came to Stoke he's been a good pro filling in at different positions. We didn't lose because of him yesterday. We lost because we didn't take our chances and (possibly) because our two penalty appeals were turned down. Like usual he played ok for the majority but when it matters he lets us down, you cannot do that as a central defender. We've never been prolific goalscorers and we have to rely on a solid defence, this bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the amount of errors he makes that leads to goals, we can't afford it. Ok, so you think Hughes is wrong for picking him. Who would you have playing alongside Shawcross?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:02:19 GMT
Yes, he did have a good game. Really? Losing 80/20s in his favour on the halfway line? Going walkies for the goal? Bardsley went walkies for the goal. 4 games played, 3 goals conceded. Not too bad from a defensive point of view. 4 games played, 2 goals scored. No where near good enough. The problem isn't Wilson, but some people will always see what they want to. We've got a very good centre half in Huth waiting in the wings. If Wilson was half the liability some make him out to be, he wouldn't be keeping the shirt. Why not turn the spotlight on the attackers who have failed massively once again?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:03:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:03:52 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder where people put their focus! We have only conceded three goals in four games and this includes a very difficult away game against world class strikers! On the other hand we have only scored 2 goals in 4 games which must be below our average in the worst season under TP, and people want to spend £12M on a central defender here! We have a solid defence, and we have good players waiting for a chance as well! Our problem right now is the lack of goals so try to keep focused! It's because some people will always want to lick windows mate ;-) You'll never rid the world of idiots. "We can't score, we can't bloody score.....we need to drop the centre half."
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:04:16 GMT
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 14, 2014 17:04:16 GMT
Wilson had a poor game and was largely responsible for their goal, makes too many serious mistakes to retain his place. However, we had 22 shots with only 4 on target and failed to score. That was why we lost, people tend to forget the bleeding obvious that whoever scores most goals wins the game. Most goals have an element of defensive mistake so Wilson isn't responsible for the loss but equally isn't good enough to play in that position.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:15:04 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 17:15:04 GMT
Like usual he played ok for the majority but when it matters he lets us down, you cannot do that as a central defender. We've never been prolific goalscorers and we have to rely on a solid defence, this bloke is Danny Collinsesqe with the amount of errors he makes that leads to goals, we can't afford it. Ok, so you think Hughes is wrong for picking him. Who would you have playing alongside Shawcross? Huth or Muniesa, both are better than Wilson. We needed to sign a centre half in the summer though imo. Wilson as he keeps proving is trouble.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 17:17:03 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 17:17:03 GMT
Sometimes I really wonder where people put their focus! We have only conceded three goals in four games and this includes a very difficult away game against world class strikers! On the other hand we have only scored 2 goals in 4 games which must be below our average in the worst season under TP, and people want to spend £12M on a central defender here! We have a solid defence, and we have good players waiting for a chance as well! Our problem right now is the lack of goals so try to keep focused! All three goals have been Wilson's fault, does that not concern you? We haven't got a solid defence at all. There's a weak link and every mistake he makes is punished and it's cost us 4 points. The attack is a concern obviously but having a weak link at the back makes it worse.
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