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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:55:53 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 10:55:53 GMT
I thought they were untroubled bar the goal tbh. But that's the issue especially with Wilson he can look like fine all game and then make one mistake and we're fucked. I think of him like a duck, above water he looks calm but deep down he's all over the place. Do you have a dartboard with his face on it No but I'm tempted to get a voodoo doll going for the benefit of the club! That's a joke before any sensitive bellend starts!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 10:57:38 GMT
Post by Sergeant Muttley on Sept 14, 2014 10:57:38 GMT
Whilst we're on about defenders i also think its time for Pieters to have a spell on the bench because for me he's had a dodgy start to the season also imo. Bardsley,Shawcross,Huth,Muniesa next week would be my choice. Muniesa isn't fit either and was hopelessly short when he came on. He could barely even run! Fair comment dave but Pieters scares me to death at the minute along with Wilson.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:08:16 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 11:08:16 GMT
Muniesa isn't fit either and was hopelessly short when he came on. He could barely even run! Fair comment dave but Pieters scares me to death at the minute along with Wilson. I don't see too much wrong with Pieters at the moment but a back 4 has to be that...a back 4 and we are playing with 3 and a half at best with Wilson in there every week regardless of whether the goal yesterday was his fault or not (I haven't seen it yet).
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:12:09 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 11:12:09 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:15:07 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 11:15:07 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you Because Ulloa was on Wilson and Pieters' side? That's why he was Wilson's man..... You don't get defending do you!
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:17:16 GMT
Post by pedro23 on Sept 14, 2014 11:17:16 GMT
I'm not sure that anybody covers themselves in glory, really. I should say here that I haven't watched a replay so this is just from my memory. For most of the Leicester move, our players are all out of position. Walters is covering in the middle, nobody covers the flank, Bardsley is too slow stopping the cross coming in amd Wilson loses the player he's been man marking all game. It was poor all round. It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side. The match I saw yesterday, admittedly through a dodgy stream was lost because our final ball was atrocious. We had close to twenty corners all put in the same place making it easy for the defenders to clear. Last week our defence was superb against a Man City side with top class players, this week Wilson was not the only one out of position when they scored. We are not a top four team, and even if we were defenders make mistakes, some of the team make for easy targets, Wilson is one of them.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:20:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 11:20:33 GMT
It is MD but it's another in a long line of fuck ups that cost from Wilson. And a fuck up that is basic defending. We can't have someone like him in the side. The match I saw yesterday, admittedly through a dodgy stream was lost because our final ball was atrocious. We had close to twenty corners all put in the same place making it easy for the defenders to clear. Last week our defence was superb against a Man City side with top class players, this week Wilson was not the only one out of position when they scored. We are not a top four team, and even if we were defenders make mistakes, some of the team make for easy targets, Wilson is one of them. The final ball is an issue but it always has been. Defenders consistently costing us goals isn't an issue we can afford to have because of how we operate up front. And of course defenders make mistakes but Wilson makes too many and they usually lead to goals. He's an absolute liability.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:24:51 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 11:24:51 GMT
Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you Because Ulloa was on Wilson and Pieters' side? That's why he was Wilson's man..... You don't get defending do you! Shawcross was with Ulloa on the edge of our box and Ulloa went passed Shawcross as if he wasn't there Watch it without your agenda glasses on
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:28:01 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 11:28:01 GMT
Because Ulloa was on Wilson and Pieters' side? That's why he was Wilson's man..... You don't get defending do you! Shawcross was with Ulloa on the edge of our box and Ulloa went passed Shawcross as if he wasn't there Watch it without your agenda glasses on Shawcross is getting back into position which is entirely the correct thing to do, as does Wilson. The pair of them and Bardsley do really well in fact to get in a line and be where they should be. From there Ulloa is at the back post, the back post being where the left hand side centre half should be defending, Wilson has to mark him. He's never Shawcross' man.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 14, 2014 11:30:17 GMT
Because Ulloa was on Wilson and Pieters' side? That's why he was Wilson's man..... You don't get defending do you! Shawcross was with Ulloa on the edge of our box and Ulloa went passed Shawcross as if he wasn't there Watch it without your agenda glasses on Went past him like he wasn't there? You do know you can't tackle players who aren't in possession don't you? I've not watched it back but from memory I'm amazed Ryan got back because didn't the goal start from him having his legs taken from under him when that shot hit him? Shawcross was the near post defender as the ball was coming in from their left and Wilson was the far post defender. That's why Ulloa was Wilson's man as he scored at the far post.
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Post by hatchett on Sept 14, 2014 11:36:33 GMT
TP politely saying it was Wilson's fault for the goal.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:39:47 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 11:39:47 GMT
Shawcross was with Ulloa on the edge of our box and Ulloa went passed Shawcross as if he wasn't there Watch it without your agenda glasses on Went past him like he wasn't there? You do know you can't tackle players who aren't in possession don't you? I've not watched it back but from memory I'm amazed Ryan got back because didn't the goal start from him having his legs taken from under him when that shot hit him? Shawcross was the near post defender as the ball was coming in from their left and Wilson was the far post defender. That's why Ulloa was Wilson's man as he scored at the far post. But Shawcross.....
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 11:52:46 GMT
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Post by malteser68 on Sept 14, 2014 11:52:46 GMT
If we had any money to spend then surely a big fat 12 million would go on a classy centre half to play alongside Ryan. Surely we should have had some money to spend on 1 player at least !! Huth is clearly not in Hughes plans and after a whole year lay off I have my doubts and Wilson is just not good enough since, as bayern says, there's one fatal mistake in him in every match
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 12:39:39 GMT
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Post by jarhead on Sept 14, 2014 12:39:39 GMT
bayern is spot on about Wilson because for me he has a mistake in him every game which at the minute is costing us.Yes he might be better with the ball at his feet than Huth BUT HE'S THERE TO DEFEND and for me the sooner Huth returns the better.I'm pretty sure Huth could pass it to Pieters and back to Shawcross just as well as Wilson does by the way. Totally agree mutt. He has to be replaced now.
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2014 12:46:52 GMT
For their goal yesterday he appeared not to have any idea where their striker was for the goal and people wonder I don't think he's a good defender..... Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you Are you really accusing others of having an agenda? You clearly have something against Ryan Shawcross.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Sept 14, 2014 12:51:12 GMT
Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you Are you really accusing others of having an agenda? You clearly have something against Ryan Shawcross. Nail and head, Dave. Unless he just thinks it's "cool" to be different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 12:56:46 GMT
Shall we sell Ryan then? Ignore this one jamo...
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 12:59:20 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 12:59:20 GMT
I've just seen it and my thoughts are that it was appalling defending by Wilson and Walters who has followed the run then inexplicably stopped.
Shawcross was poleaxed by Bardsley's shot and Pieters had correctly taken up the central spot to cover Ryan's absence.
Bardsley, Pieters and Shawcross are blameless. Wilson was sleeping, again, and had absolutely no idea where the forward was.
Very reminiscent of Hull's goal and shows again that Wilson simply never learns.
Huth needs to return and fast!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 13:07:10 GMT
I've just seen it and my thoughts are that it was appalling defending by Wilson and Walters who has followed the run then inexplicably stopped. Shawcross was poleaxed by Bardsley's shot and Pieters had correctly taken up the central spot to cover Ryan's absence. Bardsley, Pieters and Shawcross are blameless. Wilson was sleeping, again, and had absolutely no idea where the forward was. Very reminiscent of Hull's goal and shows again that Wilson simply never learns. Huth needs to return and fast! There was an incident on the halfway line just after the goal where Wilson was caught napping again by Nugent. The ball was massively in his favour yet he lost it through jogging across and misjudging the distance between him, the ball and Nugent. The panic stricken look on his face when he realised what he'd done was priceless.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:30:40 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 14, 2014 13:30:40 GMT
I've just seen it and my thoughts are that it was appalling defending by Wilson and Walters who has followed the run then inexplicably stopped. Shawcross was poleaxed by Bardsley's shot and Pieters had correctly taken up the central spot to cover Ryan's absence. Bardsley, Pieters and Shawcross are blameless. Wilson was sleeping, again, and had absolutely no idea where the forward was. Very reminiscent of Hull's goal and shows again that Wilson simply never learns. Huth needs to return and fast! There was an incident on the halfway line just after the goal where Wilson was caught napping again by Nugent. The ball was massively in his favour yet he lost it through jogging across and misjudging the distance between him, the ball and Nugent. The panic stricken look on his face when he realised what he'd done was priceless. If you haven't seen it already, watch Asmir Begovic's "teammates" feature for Sky sports. Asked who his least intelligent teammate was he responded "Marc Wilson" and proceeded to explain how dozy and half asleep he was, constantly having to be reminded of meeting times, departure times to away games etc etc. Such doziness is reflected in his play and yes, I do recall the incident you describe.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:32:33 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 13:32:33 GMT
There was an incident on the halfway line just after the goal where Wilson was caught napping again by Nugent. The ball was massively in his favour yet he lost it through jogging across and misjudging the distance between him, the ball and Nugent. The panic stricken look on his face when he realised what he'd done was priceless. If you haven't seen it already, watch Asmir Begovic's "teammates" feature for Sky sports. Asked who his least intelligent teammate was he responded "Marc Wilson" and proceeded to explain how dozy and half asleep he was, constantly having to be reminded of meeting times, departure times to away games etc etc. Such doziness is reflected in his play and yes, I do recall the incident you describe. Oh fucking hell fire.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:33:24 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 13:33:24 GMT
Shawcross was with Ulloa on the edge of our box and Ulloa went passed Shawcross as if he wasn't there Watch it without your agenda glasses on Went past him like he wasn't there? You do know you can't tackle players who aren't in possession don't you? I've not watched it back but from memory I'm amazed Ryan got back because didn't the goal start from him having his legs taken from under him when that shot hit him? Shawcross was the near post defender as the ball was coming in from their left and Wilson was the far post defender. That's why Ulloa was Wilson's man as he scored at the far post. Ulloa had the ball on the edge of the box went pass Shawcross who did his usual stick his leg out, Ulloa then pass the ball out to the wing and runs into the box Watch the game, were you there ? Highlights are available
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 13:37:08 GMT
Definitely Shawcross' man.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:38:36 GMT
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Post by lastoftheldk on Sept 14, 2014 13:38:36 GMT
Why didn't Shawcross stop Ulloa on the edge of the box Usual agenda from you Are you really accusing others of having an agenda? You clearly have something against Ryan Shawcross. All the sheep are out now Why don't you lot just sent a forum up where you all can have your Shawcross man crush Ba ba I support Stoke not a player
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 13:42:03 GMT
Are we saying that Ulloa getting past Shawcross in the build up waaaaaaay before the goal is the biggest reason why they scored?
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:45:23 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Sept 14, 2014 13:45:23 GMT
Wilson was closest to him. Wilson looked to see where his man was. Wilson lost his man. Wilson should have done better.
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Post by Davef on Sept 14, 2014 13:45:15 GMT
Are we saying that Ulloa getting past Shawcross in the build up waaaaaaay before the goal is the biggest reason why they scored? No, just one idiot is.
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 14, 2014 13:49:58 GMT
IMO Stoke's defence are great. They played brilliantly against ManC and only Villa have a lower goals against tally.
OK there will be the odd hiccup and they'll concede a goal, but it is unreasonable to expect perfection; for goodness sake Chelsea have concede 6 and have 12 points.
Stoke's problem isn't Wilson, it's getting the ball in the net at the other end, to which Wilson will contribute more than Huth in open play. Granted Huth is better at set pieces.
Bardsley was brilliant last week, but showed his limitations in attack yesterday and I think Cameron might be more suitable in games where Stoke have to penetrate a stern defence.
I hope we keep the same solid defence next week (although Pieters may be unfit) and keep a clean sheet, while the forwards finally score another goal. 1 goal per 2 matches is a recipe for relegation, even if Stoke only concede a goal a match.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 14, 2014 13:52:19 GMT
IMO Stoke's defence are great. They played brilliantly against ManC and only Villa have a lower goals against tally. OK there will be the odd hiccup and they'll concede a goal, but it is unreasonable to expect perfection; for goodness sake Chelsea have concede 6 and have 12 points. Stoke's problem isn't Wilson, it's getting the ball in the net at the other end, to which Wilson will contribute more than Huth in open play. Granted Huth is better at set pieces. Bardsley was brilliant last week, but showed his limitations in attack yesterday and I think Cameron might be more suitable in games where Stoke have to penetrate a stern defence. I hope we keep the same solid defence next week (although Pieters may be unfit) and keep a clean sheet, while the forwards finally score another goal. 1 goal per 2 matches is a recipe for relegation, even if Stoke only concede a goal a match. It's one thing defending well when you know it's a backs to the wall job all game. It's another to retain your focus in games where your team is on the front foot for long spells. We have been dire at that this season and it's cost us in three quarters of our games so far. A good defence doesn't give stupid goals away with that kind of regularity.
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Wilson
Sept 14, 2014 13:53:21 GMT
Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 14, 2014 13:53:21 GMT
And Wilson was doing it last season too. He's a liability.
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