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Post by Vestan Pance on Sept 14, 2014 10:06:05 GMT
Dave/Martin,
i have bought the oatcake since it's inception. I have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedly. So given I am a consumer of some years I hope you will allow me this.
yesterdays edition, for £2.00, was shocking. 24 pages for £2.00? Most of that nostalgic crap. Genuinely disappointed with the output for some time, but that was a nadir for me. Sorry to say, but it really was poor in my view.
never thought I would say that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2014 17:39:47 GMT
Dave/Martin, i have bought the oatcake since it's inception. I have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedly. So given I am a consumer of some years I hope you will allow me this. yesterdays edition, for £2.00, was shocking. 24 pages for £2.00? Most of that nostalgic crap. Genuinely disappointed with the output for some time, but that was a nadir for me. Sorry to say, but it really was poor in my view. never thought I would say that. Perhaps have a go yourself then mate. Give the world the pleasure of what you have to offer
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 15, 2014 11:45:42 GMT
It's many years now since fanzines appeared and it's a different world. Remember a fanzine is by definition written by fans for fans. So if you aren't impressed write something yourself for publishing.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Sept 15, 2014 11:53:46 GMT
I don't think it's particularly constructive to tell someone that if they don't like it they should just write their own.
Vestan has clearly enjoyed the fanzine for many years and is simply pointing out that the last edition wasn't up to it's usual standards.
I'm sure any worthy author would be more than happy to accept feedback from their readers wouldn't they?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:01:23 GMT
I don't think it's particularly constructive to tell someone that if they don't like it they should just write their own. Vestan has clearly enjoyed the fanzine for many years and is simply pointing out that the last edition wasn't up to it's usual standards. I'm sure any worthy author would be more than happy to accept feedback from their readers wouldn't they? yes but that's because they're "Worthy authors" trying to make a career out of what they're doing....these are simply fans writing down their personal thoughts without payment or receipt of royalties. 2 entirely different things mate PS i also fail to see how saying it was "shocking" and mostly "nostalgic crap" could be construed to be "Constructive" criticism or worthy feedback really.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 15, 2014 12:07:34 GMT
I don't think it's particularly constructive to tell someone that if they don't like it they should just write their own. Vestan has clearly enjoyed the fanzine for many years and is simply pointing out that the last edition wasn't up to it's usual standards. I'm sure any worthy author would be more than happy to accept feedback from their readers wouldn't they? Blimey you are easily convinced. How do you know that Vestan has enjoyed the fanzine for many years? You only know that he says he has enjoyed it for many years. Saturday's might have been the first Oatcake fanzine he has ever read. I must emphasise that, personally, I have no idea whether Vestan has enjoyed the Oatie - for all I know he might have an annual subscription. But I certainly wouldn't think of saying he had or had not enjoyed it, if I wanted to contrivute to this debate. PS - cracking mag this week enjoyed it - well up to its usual standard - thanks Smudge and Co. Of course I could simply have made that last sentence up!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2014 12:08:41 GMT
Whilst the original post is a tad harsh, I have to confess to have stopped buying The Oatcake religiously. Used to race to get it and look forward to reading it after the match, now I buy it from time to time and tend to skim read it. Used to find it laugh out loud funny but no so much these days. Maybe it's me and not the fanzine, but it's a fact....
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 15, 2014 12:11:47 GMT
I don't think it's particularly constructive to tell someone that if they don't like it they should just write their own. Vestan has clearly enjoyed the fanzine for many years and is simply pointing out that the last edition wasn't up to it's usual standards. I'm sure any worthy author would be more than happy to accept feedback from their readers wouldn't they? Blimey you are easily convinced. How do you know that Vestan has enjoyed the fanzine for many years? You only know that he says he has enjoyed it for many years. Saturday's might have been the first Oatcake fanzine he has ever read. I must emphasise that, personally, I have no idea whether Vestan has enjoyed the Oatie - for all I know he might have an annual subscription. But I certainly wouldn't think of saying he had or had not enjoyed it, if I wanted to contrivute to this debate. PS - cracking mag this week enjoyed it - well up to its usual standard - thanks Smudge and Co. Of course I could simply have made that last sentence up! Try reading the opening post! 'i have bought the oatcake since it's inception. I have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedly. So given I am a consumer of some years I hope you will allow me this.'
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 15, 2014 12:15:13 GMT
Blimey you are easily convinced. How do you know that Vestan has enjoyed the fanzine for many years? You only know that he says he has enjoyed it for many years. Saturday's might have been the first Oatcake fanzine he has ever read. I must emphasise that, personally, I have no idea whether Vestan has enjoyed the Oatie - for all I know he might have an annual subscription. But I certainly wouldn't think of saying he had or had not enjoyed it, if I wanted to contrivute to this debate. PS - cracking mag this week enjoyed it - well up to its usual standard - thanks Smudge and Co. Of course I could simply have made that last sentence up! Try reading the opening post! 'i have bought the oatcake since it's inception. I have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedly. So given I am a consumer of some years I hope you will allow me this.' Yes, I have read that. All I am saying is that we have no way of knowing if it is a true statement. He might have said it to lend weight to his criticism of Saturday's edition. Don't get me wrong - he has every right to say that, if it is true, but it should not be quoted as if it were proven - unless in fact it has been proven!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2014 12:35:07 GMT
Thought it was a perfectly reasonable edition besides the divisive Pulis Clairvoyance piece. My favourite bit was JOC confirming what dreadful, negligent custodians the Icelanders were.
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Post by Robo10 on Sept 15, 2014 12:36:11 GMT
Lakeland you would argue with yourself given the chance :-)
I still buy the oatie religiously, I perhaps dont read it at the match anymore, its one for the bus journey home, or a rare bit of 'man time' at home when I get 10 mins peace (very rare)
I think the guys still do a sterling job, and I enjoy reading it, but its a bit like something Noel Gallagher said about writing songs when people thought Oasis had lost their edge
He basically said that its hard writing songs full of anger and disdain for society and its riches when you are no longer poor or starving, scratching around for a few pence to buy bread etc - once you have made it big there isnt really a lot to complain about, so you dont snarl as much, songs are melodic and about nicer things - he said it would be two faced to pretend to still be poor and angry at the world when he wasnt.
For the Oatie, I can remember the first few issues (1988?), when Stoke were on their arse and falling fast, no money, no hope, a fairly crap team and a bit of a laughing stock - so the fanzine was the voice of a bit of rebellion, a place to vent that anger and make a statement to the masses who quickly caught onto the movement
Even through the little bit of Lou success there was still a lot wrong with the club, and we continued to asset strip and fans were given a rough deal
In fact, up until 2008 Stoke City was a soap opera of underachievement and despair!
Nowadays, a bit like Noel, there isnt THAT much to be upset about, the club is well ran, we are a successful established mid table top tier club again, have pretty much an international XI on the pitch most weekends, regularly beat some of the top sides in Europe, FA Cup finals, Euro away days blah blah - nowadays all we can moan about is the odd tactical decision, the odd team formation or performance, the media or the bar/toilets!
I think the guys still do an excellent job, but as others have mentioned if anybody has fresh ideas or articles to submit, I'm sure the boys would be more than willing to consider them for the mag.
It is hard to be angry though when times are good - eventually when it goes tits up am sure there will be a queue of people wanting to write about how shit we are
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2014 12:40:36 GMT
You really mean 'there wasn't a cartoon this week' don't you Nothing wrong with cartoons, liking them won't make you appear an intellectual lightweight
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 15, 2014 12:57:10 GMT
Lakeland you would argue with yourself given the chance :-) I still buy the oatie religiously, I perhaps dont read it at the match anymore, its one for the bus journey home, or a rare bit of 'man time' at home when I get 10 mins peace (very rare) I think the guys still do a sterling job, and I enjoy reading it, but its a bit like something Noel Gallagher said about writing songs when people thought Oasis had lost their edge He basically said that its hard writing songs full of anger and disdain for society and its riches when you are no longer poor or starving, scratching around for a few pence to buy bread etc - once you have made it big there isnt really a lot to complain about, so you dont snarl as much, songs are melodic and about nicer things - he said it would be two faced to pretend to still be poor and angry at the world when he wasnt. For the Oatie, I can remember the first few issues (1988?), when Stoke were on their arse and falling fast, no money, no hope, a fairly crap team and a bit of a laughing stock - so the fanzine was the voice of a bit of rebellion, a place to vent that anger and make a statement to the masses who quickly caught onto the movement Even through the little bit of Lou success there was still a lot wrong with the club, and we continued to asset strip and fans were given a rough deal In fact, up until 2008 Stoke City was a soap opera of underachievement and despair! Nowadays, a bit like Noel, there isnt THAT much to be upset about, the club is well ran, we are a successful established mid table top tier club again, have pretty much an international XI on the pitch most weekends, regularly beat some of the top sides in Europe, FA Cup finals, Euro away days blah blah - nowadays all we can moan about is the odd tactical decision, the odd team formation or performance, the media or the bar/toilets! I think the guys still do an excellent job, but as others have mentioned if anybody has fresh ideas or articles to submit, I'm sure the boys would be more than willing to consider them for the mag. It is hard to be angry though when times are good - eventually when it goes tits up am sure there will be a queue of people wanting to write about how shit we are There is a lot of truth in what you say. I still buy the Oatie and, even at £2, the cost is nowt compared to the total cost of supporting Stoke if you live where I do. If I am honest, then I really enjoy a good half of what is in it and the other half is fine and doesn't upset me. As you say when things are going well on the pitch that makes for a happy fanbase by and large, but conversely that mean that any fanzine is bound to lose its edge. Hey ho - we'll have to hope they are ready to take up the cudgels and hit the campaign trail when Hughes gets rid of the Academy, kicks sand in Peter Coates' eyes and insists the players live their lives according to the teachings of the Glen Hoddle/Eileen Drewery God squad!
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Post by OldStokie on Sept 15, 2014 13:46:41 GMT
Lakeland you would argue with yourself given the chance :-) I still buy the oatie religiously, I perhaps dont read it at the match anymore, its one for the bus journey home, or a rare bit of 'man time' at home when I get 10 mins peace (very rare) I think the guys still do a sterling job, and I enjoy reading it, but its a bit like something Noel Gallagher said about writing songs when people thought Oasis had lost their edge He basically said that its hard writing songs full of anger and disdain for society and its riches when you are no longer poor or starving, scratching around for a few pence to buy bread etc - once you have made it big there isnt really a lot to complain about, so you dont snarl as much, songs are melodic and about nicer things - he said it would be two faced to pretend to still be poor and angry at the world when he wasnt. For the Oatie, I can remember the first few issues (1988?), when Stoke were on their arse and falling fast, no money, no hope, a fairly crap team and a bit of a laughing stock - so the fanzine was the voice of a bit of rebellion, a place to vent that anger and make a statement to the masses who quickly caught onto the movement Even through the little bit of Lou success there was still a lot wrong with the club, and we continued to asset strip and fans were given a rough deal In fact, up until 2008 Stoke City was a soap opera of underachievement and despair! Nowadays, a bit like Noel, there isnt THAT much to be upset about, the club is well ran, we are a successful established mid table top tier club again, have pretty much an international XI on the pitch most weekends, regularly beat some of the top sides in Europe, FA Cup finals, Euro away days blah blah - nowadays all we can moan about is the odd tactical decision, the odd team formation or performance, the media or the bar/toilets! I think the guys still do an excellent job, but as others have mentioned if anybody has fresh ideas or articles to submit, I'm sure the boys would be more than willing to consider them for the mag. It is hard to be angry though when times are good - eventually when it goes tits up am sure there will be a queue of people wanting to write about how shit we are Spot on Robbo. In everything, including John having a go at VP. Ferfuxache John... was that necessary? Apologies to VP please! VP> I suspect the content will improve dramatically now we're 'absolute rubbish' again'. OS.
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Post by Gods on Sept 15, 2014 13:49:12 GMT
yep if we keep rattling off home defeats at the current rate the old 'gallows humour' will be back in no time and we can once again find solace in the content.
My old friend the blues.
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Post by salopstick on Sept 15, 2014 14:10:08 GMT
Dave/Martin, i have bought the oatcake since it's inception. I have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedly. So given I am a consumer of some years I hope you will allow me this. yesterdays edition, for £2.00, was shocking. 24 pages for £2.00? Most of that nostalgic crap. Genuinely disappointed with the output for some time, but that was a nadir for me. Sorry to say, but it really was poor in my view. never thought I would say that. vestan, i have always been a fan and supported you wholeheartedley. so given I am a fan of your contributions for some years I hope you will allow me this. genuinely disappointed that you just couldnt put 'low point' and saved the uneducated masses on here (not me) the bother of using google. nadir!! you pretentious cunt never thought i would say that
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Post by Vestan Pance on Sept 15, 2014 14:29:37 GMT
Fair retorts all, particularly from Mr Mills. It wasn't particularly helpful what I put and should (and could) have been better considered.
I stand by my comment in the main however. The Oatcake, which has been part of my Stoke City life since it's inception, doesn't represent particularly good value for money, and didn't (in last weeks example IMHO) contain the level of content, analysis or insight that a £2.00 price tag would warrant. I am acutely aware of the fact that without mine (and others) patronage the magazine would cease to be, and that would leave the club significantly less for it.
As a consumer, I believe that I am entitled to that opinion and also entiteld to share it with those who are responsible for it's publication. I will continue to buy it because I don't want it to go down the tubes, but I would like to see a bit more bang for my buck. As for contributing, I will leave that to others. Fornside, you seem to have a significant amount of time on your hands. You have a bash.
(passive aggressive winky thing)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Sept 15, 2014 17:32:24 GMT
As for contributing, I will leave that to others. Fornside, you seem to have a significant amount of time on your hands. You have a bash. (passive aggressive winky thing) I thought 'Gerald Pratt' was a fly on the wall weekly slice of fornisde's life?
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Post by Vestan Pance on Sept 15, 2014 17:37:22 GMT
As for contributing, I will leave that to others. Fornside, you seem to have a significant amount of time on your hands. You have a bash. (passive aggressive winky thing) I thought 'Gerald Pratt' was a fly on the wall weekly slice of fornisde's life? I would like to see "lakeside potter - internet warrior" where fornie replies to every post ever made here. Ever. and all posts must have a slightly supercilious nature, despite having patently not a lot on in his life. Can you do a cartoon of that Dave? oh, and something about the vale. For shits and giggles.
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