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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 1, 2014 0:46:09 GMT
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Post by koshatnik on Sept 1, 2014 1:05:21 GMT
Great stuff, Rob. Good to see you back.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 1, 2014 8:18:27 GMT
"The Brazilian looked as if he’d been hit by a train, and was forced to retreat to the sidelines and add some extra letters to his name, returning as his fearsome altar ego ‘Fernandinho’. ."
ha-ha like it. Its crazy how they look the same, play the same and have almost the same name. I also was wondering if they are in fact the same person
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 1, 2014 8:20:05 GMT
Also shouldnt you rename the title the 'Man Citeh Conclusions"? Otherwise it could be a summary of any of our games
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 1, 2014 9:50:49 GMT
Just did not see that coming. Fantastic performance, fantastic result.
Haven't seen the whole game, but looks as though it was a real team effort.
It's another one in the eye for systems and the amateur tacticians on here, myself included.
Who would have had Diouf, Crouch and Walters in the starting 11?
We've all argued about Crouch, but yet again he has shown himself to be an intelligent, skilful footballer who can adapt to different situations. Systems, shmystems! Diouf looked a different player.
Simple game. Stick together, work hard and do your jobs to keep them out - take your chances when they arrive, and enjoy a bit of luck.
If we can learn to break teams down from open play, we could have a brilliant season.
Superb management from Hughes. He's the boss: Walters and Crouch rewarded, no star treatment for Arnie and Bojan.
Leicester City will be a different test. They'll try to do to us what we did to Manchester City. Stoke fans will have to be patient at home this season.
Edit: Another excellent review btw - very much part of my weekly post match ritual. Please keep them coming even if some people are sometimes a bit negative.
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Post by jarhead on Sept 1, 2014 9:53:12 GMT
Awesome!
End of thread
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Post by Gods on Sept 1, 2014 11:44:15 GMT
Thanks for posting, that was an excellent read!
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Post by surreystokie on Sept 1, 2014 13:24:20 GMT
Rob, as an avid fan of the RVD now metamorphosed into CD, with equal expertise both in content and expression - and how I love your Asmir Begovic reclaiming the no 1 shirt from the nervy imposter of the past fortnight, - may I timidly make a correction? In the spirit of helpfulness, rather than as an act of pedantry, please accept that Manchester City have not taken on the seemingly bloated reference to citizens, but to the rather more catchy Cityzens. And I refuse to comment that some on here will not appreciate the difference.  |
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Post by craig67 on Sept 1, 2014 13:33:21 GMT
Very good as usual Rob.
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Post by stokiejoe on Sept 1, 2014 13:35:10 GMT
Great read, thanks
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Post by ************** on Sept 1, 2014 14:07:25 GMT
Rob, as an avid fan of the RVD now metamorphosed into CD, with equal expertise both in content and expression - and how I love your Asmir Begovic reclaiming the no 1 shirt from the nervy imposter of the past fortnight, - may I timidly make a correction? In the spirit of helpfulness, rather than as an act of pedantry, please accept that Manchester City have not taken on the seemingly bloated reference to citizens, but to the rather more catchy Cityzens. And I refuse to comment that some on here will not appreciate the difference. Oooh...you big clever-dick you. Bloody thick lot aren't we?  Good summary Rob. |
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Post by thestatusquo on Sept 1, 2014 14:10:51 GMT
Spot on. I though he was right to replace Walters as he did switch off a couple of times.
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Post by robstokie on Sept 1, 2014 14:13:12 GMT
Keep the good work going, Chief. Excellent write up as always.
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 1, 2014 14:31:35 GMT
"turned on the afterburners"  Very good read that  |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 1, 2014 14:31:45 GMT
"turned on the afterburners" Very good read that |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 1, 2014 14:31:55 GMT
"turned on the afterburners" Very good read that |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 1, 2014 15:25:15 GMT
Rob, as an avid fan of the RVD now metamorphosed into CD, with equal expertise both in content and expression - and how I love your Asmir Begovic reclaiming the no 1 shirt from the nervy imposter of the past fortnight, - may I timidly make a correction? In the spirit of helpfulness, rather than as an act of pedantry, please accept that Manchester City have not taken on the seemingly bloated reference to citizens, but to the rather more catchy Cityzens. And I refuse to comment that some on here will not appreciate the difference. I was unaware of that Monica, thank you, I will get that changed. |
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Post by Widget123 on Sept 1, 2014 15:32:47 GMT
Great to have you back Rob cheers! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 19:45:50 GMT
Very good write up again. One thing I do disagree with is Toure and the penalty shout. I've watched it over and over, and Toure could have stayed on his feet. He made a meal of it, and the dive deserved a 6.0, plus the yellow card. Stoke's penalty shout was clear cut, and to add to that (considering that I had a go about the ref on another post about our penalty decision), he has to be praised for not giving in to appeals from City and their supporters. Many a referee would have caved in under that pressure. Well done to him on the day. I reckon that if that exact same penalty shout had been at Cold Trafford he would have probably given it.
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Post by rennes on Sept 1, 2014 22:25:52 GMT
Welcome back Roberto.
Sublime as ever.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 7:30:11 GMT
Just did not see that coming. Fantastic performance, fantastic result. Haven't seen the whole game, but looks as though it was a real team effort. It's another one in the eye for systems and the amateur tacticians on here, myself included. Who would have had Diouf, Crouch and Walters in the starting 11? We've all argued about Crouch, but yet again he has shown himself to be an intelligent, skilful footballer who can adapt to different situations. Systems, shmystems! Diouf looked a different player. Simple game. Stick together, work hard and do your jobs to keep them out - take your chances when they arrive, and enjoy a bit of luck. If we can learn to break teams down from open play, we could have a brilliant season. Superb management from Hughes. He's the boss: Walters and Crouch rewarded, no star treatment for Arnie and Bojan. Leicester City will be a different test. They'll try to do to us what we did to Manchester City. Stoke fans will have to be patient at home this season. Edit: Another excellent review btw - very much part of my weekly post match ritual. Please keep them coming even if some people are sometimes a bit negative. Thanks Okie (and everyone), very kind. Though I actually thought Saturday was further evidence of how important finding the right system for your players is! |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 2, 2014 7:55:46 GMT
You're probably right Rob, and I bow down to your reading of the game. You see it with a good analytical eye.
System or gameplan? Or are they the same thing? The point I was making is that we tend to pigeon hole players into a certain role. If you get top level intelligent footballers, they should be adaptable. Crouch is a good example of this. Still don't think I read anybody on here that would have started Diouf, Crouch and Walters.
Saturday's system looks to have been as close to Tone's favourite 4-4-1-1 as MH has been.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Sept 2, 2014 10:50:32 GMT
Enjoyed that. I havn't had the opportunity to re-watch the game and I'm interested to hear a bit more about Muniesa's introduction. At that stage it was a bit of 'all hands on deck' and I was peering from behind a tightly gripped pint. Was Muniesa brought on to help Pieters out on the left {doubling up on Zabelleta?}, or was he put into the middle to help close down/tidy up? It all got lost for me in the excitement. I rate Muniesa, and have a wish to see him tried in the Whelan role at some point. Was saturday a small taster of this? Having said that I'm not knocking Glenn in any way, I actually think he has started this season with more attacking intent {not massively effective so far} but he has been popping up in more advanced positions. {I'd have him taking a corner or two too.} I was thinking that the DM role was perhaps the position with least competition, but the answer may lie in-house. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 11:57:46 GMT
You're probably right Rob, and I bow down to your reading of the game. You see it with a good analytical eye. System or gameplan? Or are they the same thing? The point I was making is that we tend to pigeon hole players into a certain role. If you get top level intelligent footballers, they should be adaptable. Crouch is a good example of this. Still don't think I read anybody on here that would have started Diouf, Crouch and Walters. Saturday's system looks to have been as close to Tone's favourite 4-4-1-1 as MH has been. It was 4-2-3-1 in the first half and Walters wasn't great. Hughes switched it to 4-4-2 in the second half and rightfully subbed Walters for Odemwingie who was infinitely more effective on the right. There was a number of people advocating playing two up front before the game actually but nobody was expecting Hughes to go with it. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 12:02:59 GMT
You're probably right Rob, and I bow down to your reading of the game. You see it with a good analytical eye. System or gameplan? Or are they the same thing? The point I was making is that we tend to pigeon hole players into a certain role. If you get top level intelligent footballers, they should be adaptable. Crouch is a good example of this. Still don't think I read anybody on here that would have started Diouf, Crouch and Walters. Saturday's system looks to have been as close to Tone's favourite 4-4-1-1 as MH has been. I think systems and gameplans and the personnel you choose to carry them out are all tied up together okey. We set up to counter attack and Man City were the first team to really let us do that. The addition of Crouch made Diouf look like a different player. Moses' directness brought a directness Arnie hadn't been providing of late. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Sept 2, 2014 12:03:55 GMT
Enjoyed that. I havn't had the opportunity to re-watch the game and I'm interested to hear a bit more about Muniesa's introduction. At that stage it was a bit of 'all hands on deck' and I was peering from behind a tightly gripped pint. Was Muniesa brought on to help Pieters out on the left {doubling up on Zabelleta?}, or was he put into the middle to help close down/tidy up? It all got lost for me in the excitement. I rate Muniesa, and have a wish to see him tried in the Whelan role at some point. Was saturday a small taster of this? Having said that I'm not knocking Glenn in any way, I actually think he has started this season with more attacking intent {not massively effective so far} but he has been popping up in more advanced positions. {I'd have him taking a corner or two too.} I was thinking that the DM role was perhaps the position with least competition, but the answer may lie in-house. He played on the left when he came on cheese. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 12:13:19 GMT
You're probably right Rob, and I bow down to your reading of the game. You see it with a good analytical eye. System or gameplan? Or are they the same thing? The point I was making is that we tend to pigeon hole players into a certain role. If you get top level intelligent footballers, they should be adaptable. Crouch is a good example of this. Still don't think I read anybody on here that would have started Diouf, Crouch and Walters. Saturday's system looks to have been as close to Tone's favourite 4-4-1-1 as MH has been. I think systems and gameplans and the personnel you choose to carry them out are all tied up together okey. We set up to counter attack and Man City were the first team to really let us do that. The addition of Crouch made Diouf look like a different player. Moses' directness brought a directness Arnie hadn't been providing of late. Spot on Rob. And the fact that Citeh we're playing 4-4-2, allowed us to go like for like, we wouldn't have been able to do that against a team playing with a three in midfield. It's been said lots of times that Crouch is more effective when he's played in a two and the man himself said that he felt Saturday was his best game in a Stoke shirt. You yourself have been banging the drum for Diouf to be played in a two since he got here - he looked like a different player on Saturday and the stats support that. Tactics have a massive effect and even the tiniest of adjustments can have a major impact on a player's performance, regardless of how good they are individually. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 2, 2014 12:16:25 GMT
You're probably right Rob, and I bow down to your reading of the game. You see it with a good analytical eye. System or gameplan? Or are they the same thing? The point I was making is that we tend to pigeon hole players into a certain role. If you get top level intelligent footballers, they should be adaptable. Crouch is a good example of this. Still don't think I read anybody on here that would have started Diouf, Crouch and Walters. Saturday's system looks to have been as close to Tone's favourite 4-4-1-1 as MH has been. It was 4-2-3-1 in the first half and Walters wasn't great. Hughes switched it to 4-4-2 in the second half and rightfully subbed Walters for Odemwingie who was infinitely more effective on the right. There was a number of people advocating playing two up front before the game actually but nobody was expecting Hughes to go with it. Interesting this, and I know you and Rob are good at it. As I said, I've only seen highlights so impossible to tell really, but I got the impression that Diouf was dropping back into midfield a fair bit, and Crouch at times was an auxiliary centre half! Maybe just for set pieces? Presumably we weren't playing with 2 out and out strikers second half?
Also, did Crouch play ahead of Diouf? In a two you would have expected Crouch to come deeper and knock it into the channels for Diouf and the wide players to run onto.
I remember debating this and there seemed to be few precedents for MH playing 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1 with one dropping back into midfield. I think this is the way forward - one of Diouf, Bojan or even Ireland behind Crouch.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Sept 2, 2014 12:22:33 GMT
It was 4-2-3-1 in the first half and Walters wasn't great. Hughes switched it to 4-4-2 in the second half and rightfully subbed Walters for Odemwingie who was infinitely more effective on the right. There was a number of people advocating playing two up front before the game actually but nobody was expecting Hughes to go with it. Interesting this, and I know you and Rob are good at it. As I said, I've only seen highlights so impossible to tell really, but I got the impression that Diouf was dropping back into midfield a fair bit, and Crouch at times was an auxiliary centre half! Maybe just for set pieces? Presumably we weren't playing with 2 out and out strikers second half?
Also, did Crouch play ahead of Diouf? In a two you would have expected Crouch to come deeper and knock it into the channels for Diouf and the wide players to run onto.
I remember debating this and there seemed to be few precedents for MH playing 4-4-2, or 4-4-1-1 with one dropping back into midfield. I think this is the way forward - one of Diouf, Bojan or even Ireland behind Crouch.
In the first half Diouf was playing as the middle one of the three in a 4-2-3-1 but playing a lot further up the pitch than (say) Ireland would do in that role. In the second half, it was a straight two banks of four with Diouf and Crouch playing side by side, although both players were more than prepared to drop back when required to do so. |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Sept 2, 2014 12:33:12 GMT
Your first half 4-2-3-1 with Diouf higher up than Ireland sounds very close to 4-4-1-1. I suppose this is my point about systems - it's fluid and variable with and without the ball we maybe get too hung upon it.
Interesting though - no idea what he'll do against Leicester. Presumably they'll play the in form Ulloa upfront, and try to get Vardy breaking from a packed midfield. Powell is an interesting signing for them too.
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