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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:12:38 GMT
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 28, 2014 22:30:59 GMT
Fuck politicians. They're all shite. Liars to a man and cunts one and all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 23:47:44 GMT
The fact is that in order for Cameron to reduce the amount of immigration into this country from the EU and other countries world wide it would mean contravening legal and binding agreements which we cannot do unless we
1 Come out of Europe altogether (which he doesn't want to do )
2. Renegotiate a new deal which has to be agreed by all member states.
The chance of him being successful in this is quite frankly beyond the realms of fantasy. If you are of the opinion that Cameron will succeed in this mission then it is something you may want to discuss with your consultant psychiatrist.
Your only way of reducing immigration is by joining UKIP in the vain hope that it will win the next election. I am not advocating that you do , because some of you may have already realised that the problems this country now faces goes way beyond the economic reasons for bailing out and may involve more important issues which have already been thoroughly discussed. These include national security from terrorism , international conflict threats , breaking trade arrangements with countries outside of the Eu , damage to the 'special relationship' with the US , energy supplies being cut , the reduction in arms sales and last but not least the gradual erosion of the financial power base of the financial markets in London.
So , summarising we are effectively attempting to shut the gate after the horse has already bolted. We have systematically ostracised ourself from Europe over the last 15-20 years by successive governments by our reluctance to not join the monetary union and now we are out on a proverbial limb at the mercy of the Brussels power brokers.
The notion that any new government Tory or Labour will have any influence in shaping the way Europe is going is at best wishful and at worst 'miraculous'. Our only hope is that more member states will actively seek change and back our plans of more independence , but if you consider that many of the poorer member states rely heavily on being bailed out by the EU financially currently , then once again it is not difficult to see how futile our plans are in the cold light of day. They will simply vote against our proposals like they have done in the past.
The information I provide below is comprehensive list of rules and regulations governing such EU rules and regulations and is a complex and binding agreement by all member states that Cameron is intending to change.
How he intends to do this and with whose backing he is less clear on.
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Free movement of persons, asylum and immigration
The free movement of persons is a fundamental right guaranteed to European Union (EU) citizens by the Treaties. It is realised through the area of freedom, security and justice without internal borders. Lifting internal borders requires strengthened management of the Union’s external borders as well as regulated entry and residence of non-EU nationals, including through a common asylum and immigration policy.
The concept of free movement of persons came about with the signing of the Schengen Agreement in 1985 and the subsequent Schengen Convention in 1990, which initiated the abolition of border controls between participating countries. Being part of the EU legal and institutional framework, Schengen cooperation has gradually been extended to include most EU Member States as well as some non-EU countries.
FREE MOVEMENT OF EUROPEAN CITIZENS WITHIN THE UNION
Right of Union citizens and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States
The Schengen area and cooperation
Strengthening the Schengen area
The Stockholm Programme
Action plan on the Stockholm Programme
SCHENGEN INFORMATION SYSTEM II
Legal instruments governing migration from SIS 1+ to SIS II
Second generation Schengen Information System (SIS II) – former 1st pillar regulation
Second generation Schengen Information System (SIS II) – former 3rd pillar decision
Access of vehicle registration services to SIS II
IT agency for the area of freedom, security and justice
New functions for the Schengen Information System in the fight against terrorismArchives
Improved effectiveness, enhanced interoperability and synergies between European databasesArchives
PENETRATING EXTERNAL BORDERS
Schengen Borders Code
Local border traffic at external land borders
Rapid border intervention teams (RABIT)
European Agency for the Management of External Borders – Frontex
External Borders Fund (2007-13)
Obligation of air carriers to communicate passenger data
Standing Committee on operational cooperation on internal security
EU internal security strategy
Next steps in border management in the EU
European external border surveillance system (EUROSUR)
Reinforcing the management of the EU's southern maritime borders
VISAS
Visa policy
Visa Code
Visa requirements for non-EU nationals
Uniform format for visas
Facilitated Transit Document (FTD) and Facilitated Rail Transit Document (FRTD)
Facilitating procedures for issuing visas for those taking part in sporting events
Airport transit arrangementsArchives
Information system on visas
VIS Regulation
Establishment of the Visa Information System (VIS) – Stage 1
Access to the Visa Information System (VIS) by the national authorities and Europol
Consular cooperation and document fraud
Integration of biometric features in passports and travel documents
Exchange of information to combat counterfeit travel documents
FADO image-archiving system
Detecting forged documents
Local consular cooperation regarding visas
ASYLUM
European asylum system
European Asylum Support Office
Joint EU resettlement programme
Policy plan on asylum
Entry of refugees into the EU and enhancing protection for them in the countries of first asylum
Future common European asylum system
Minimal harmonisation of national legislation
Minimum standards for procedures for granting and withdrawing refugee status
Conditions governing eligibility for refugee status or international protection
Minimum standards on the reception of applicants for asylum in Member States
Minimum guarantees for asylum procedures
Temporary protection in the event of a mass influx of displaced persons
Cooperation and coordination of asylum systems
Dublin II Regulation
"Eurodac" system
Closer practical cooperation
Financial programmes
European Refugee Fund (2008-13)
IMMIGRATION AND RIGHTS OF NATIONALS OF NON-EU COUNTRIES
Immigration policy
European Pact on Immigration and Asylum
A comprehensive European migration policy
A common immigration policy for Europe
Policy plan on legal migration
Actions and tools for integration
Common framework for the integration of non-EU nationals
Entry and residence
Uniform format for residence permits
Admission and residence of researchers from third countries
Entry and residence of highly qualified workers (EU Blue Card)
Conditions of admission of third-country nationals for the purposes of studies, pupil exchange, unremunerated training or voluntary service
Residence permit for victims of human trafficking
Status of non-EU nationals who are long-term residents
Family reunification
Single application procedure for a residence and work permit and a common set of rights for Non-EU Member Country workers
Limitations on the admission of third-country nationals for the purpose of pursuing activities as self-employed persons
Limitations on the admission of third-country nationals for employment
Illegal immigration
Defining the facilitation of illegal immigration
Penal framework for preventing the facilitation of illegal immigration
Sanctions against the employment of illegally staying non-EU nationals
Financial penalties on carriers
Immigration liaison officers' network
Protocol against the Smuggling of Migrants by Land, Air and Sea
Policy priorities in the fight against illegal immigration
Links between legal and illegal immigration
Return and expulsion
Common standards and procedures for returning illegal immigrants
Mutual recognition of expulsion decisions
Joint flights for the removal of illegal immigrants
Information and cooperation
Community statistics on asylum and migration
The European Migration Network (EMN)
Mutual information mechanism for national asylum and immigration measures
Information management in the area of freedom, security and justice
Financial programmes
Integration Fund (2007-13)
Return Fund (2008-13)
Framework programme on solidarity and management of migration flows for the period 2007-2013
RELATIONS WITH NON-EU COUNTRIES
Strengthening the Global Approach to Migration
Migration: Global Approach to the Eastern and South-Eastern regions of the EU
Circular migration and mobility partnerships
Towards a comprehensive European migration policy
Cooperation with Non-EU Member Countries in the areas of migration and asylum
The external dimension of the area of freedom, security and justice
Migration and development: some concrete orientations
Integration of concerns related to migration within the external policyArchives
External borders and visas
Agreements with the countries of the Western Balkans on the facilitation of the issuance of visasArchives
Facilitating the issuance of short-stay visas with Russia
Transit Kaliningrad - Russian mainland: proposals and implementation
Asylum
Regional Protection Programmes
Return and readmission
Readmission agreements with Macao and Hong Kong
Agreement with Pakistan on readmission
Readmission agreements with Eastern European countries
Agreement on readmission with Russia
Readmission agreements with the countries of the western Balkans
Readmission agreement with Sri Lanka
See also
Fight against trafficking in human beings
Overviews of European Union: Justice, freedom and security
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 5:20:46 GMT
Totally agree with your point 1 &. The first paragraph of point 2 mumf
But after reading this piece of your post...
Can't you see it's better to head for the little lifeboat named .....Hope rather than stay on the titanic just because they're promising some great entertainment on deck 4 later
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 5:40:07 GMT
There is no doubt that these pillocks have left us up the river without a paddle!
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Post by Northy on Aug 29, 2014 5:58:23 GMT
There is no doubt that these pillocks have left us up the river without a paddle! Which pillocks? The current ones or the previous ones who signed up to the agreement without limits on numbers? |
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Post by Northy on Aug 29, 2014 6:01:00 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need  Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 8:55:39 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months The tories quite like rising numbers in population as it boosts the economy(arent we doing great) it also gives the bosses carte blanche to do what they want "if you dont like it piss off I can get an immigrant to do it' This is what allways happens when the tories are in power the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. |
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Post by redstriper on Aug 29, 2014 10:16:53 GMT
Good summary mumf, fuck all can/will be done with the EU.
But, plenty of the migrants are from outside the E.U. so the tories should be reducing that figure to zero unless they have a legitimate job to come for. At least they are trying - unlike labour who bury their heads in the sand, are hamstrung by socialist principles, and always make the problem worse when they are in power.
Everyone knows we are a soft touch and overwhelmed by the sheer size of the problem. So they keep coming. The NHS can't cope and neither can housing, education, the transport system or welfare.
Eventually the trend will reverse, but that'll be for economic reasons when the country has been bled dry, and those of us who have been paying into the system over the past 30-40 years will find the pot is empty when we wish to retire, or get ill.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 12:56:28 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months The tories quite like rising numbers in population as it boosts the economy(arent we doing great) it also gives the bosses carte blanche to do what they want "if you dont like it piss off I can get an immigrant to do it' This is what allways happens when the tories are in power the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And the Labour party don't like immigrants do they ? ......like hell they don't , the more the better as far as they are concerned , as most immigrants traditionally tend to vote Labour .....look up Tony Blair and his views on this subject |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 29, 2014 17:08:22 GMT
The tories quite like rising numbers in population as it boosts the economy(arent we doing great) it also gives the bosses carte blanche to do what they want "if you dont like it piss off I can get an immigrant to do it' This is what allways happens when the tories are in power the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. And the Labour party don't like immigrants do they ? ......like hell they don't , the more the better as far as they are concerned , as most immigrants traditionally tend to vote Labour .....look up Tony Blair and his views on this subject as opposed to labour being in power when everyone gets poorer ,,,, that equality i suppose |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 17:42:36 GMT
And the Labour party don't like immigrants do they ? ......like hell they don't , the more the better as far as they are concerned , as most immigrants traditionally tend to vote Labour .....look up Tony Blair and his views on this subject as opposed to labour being in power when everyone gets poorer ,,,, that equality i suppose You mean you were poor once Harry ?  |
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 29, 2014 18:33:23 GMT
as opposed to labour being in power when everyone gets poorer ,,,, that equality i suppose You mean you were poor once Harry ? ive come full circle bish  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2014 21:50:20 GMT
All of em Northwich. The whole frigging lot of them. No one's got any backbone any more!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 0:14:21 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months Surely you don't mean 'Im |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2014 0:59:03 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months Do you think he had a choice. .? Do you honestly and truly believe that ? Do you think that faced with EU legislation and posturing that Cameron would have not done exactly the bloody same ....you can't have your cake and eat it because it's not allowed. You need to look at the facts , rather than attempting to make a party political argument of this. You obviously don't understand what our membership in Europe actually involves or what pressures are exerted. You seem to ignore the tens of thousands of immigrants that were allowed in unchecked by this government last year under Theresa May and the 250,000 that were allowed in again this year. Cameron is Pro Europe .Cameron does not want us leave The EU and the sooner that you swallow that pill the better . If you don't want mass immigration then you have one simple choice ...Vote Ukip. Voting Conservative is a vote FOR Europe....you seem to be confused on this most basic of principles. You must remember the last stupid bitch who stamped her feet , said she wasn't 'for turning' and got short changed and isolated as a result. Big business and big Tories have too much money invested in the EU to simply walk away . It is completely wrong to assume that this is simply the fault of Labour. You need to be more appreciative of the contents and rules of membership as well as the motives of the Conservative party both past and present. To do otherwise would be reckless folly on your part. Better start waving your UKIP flag sooner rather than later. Mumf |
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Post by Northy on Aug 30, 2014 14:22:04 GMT
It's not good, but that's what you get when your economy is doing better than most other countries and some fookin numpty signed up to open borders, how many hand car wash's do we need Tough decisions need to be made in the next 9 months Do you think he had a choice. .? Do you honestly and truly believe that ? Do you think that faced with EU legislation and posturing that Cameron would have not done exactly the bloody same ....you can't have your cake and eat it because it's not allowed. You need to look at the facts , rather than attempting to make a party political argument of this. You obviously don't understand what our membership in Europe actually involves or what pressures are exerted. You seem to ignore the tens of thousands of immigrants that were allowed in unchecked by this government last year under Theresa May and the 250,000 that were allowed in again this year. Cameron is Pro Europe .Cameron does not want us leave The EU and the sooner that you swallow that pill the better . If you don't want mass immigration then you have one simple choice ...Vote Ukip. Voting Conservative is a vote FOR Europe....you seem to be confused on this most basic of principles. You must remember the last stupid bitch who stamped her feet , said she wasn't 'for turning' and got short changed and isolated as a result. Big business and big Tories have too much money invested in the EU to simply walk away . It is completely wrong to assume that this is simply the fault of Labour. You need to be more appreciative of the contents and rules of membership as well as the motives of the Conservative party both past and present. To do otherwise would be reckless folly on your part. Better start waving your UKIP flag sooner rather than later. Mumf Of course he had a choice, most countries signed up to it, only 3 didn't we were one of them, you may want to read this below before having a dig at me and trying to deflect the blame. A labour spokesman has admitted it was open door policy to let foreigners in who would vote for labour. 3 million came in on their watch, and are changing the face of the country. The figures you quote pale into insignificance with the numbers Blair let in. I havent mentioned any political party yet you say Im turning it into politics. www.migrationwatchuk.org/pressArticle/83 |
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Post by Northy on Sept 5, 2014 13:15:25 GMT
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