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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2014 19:23:07 GMT
Odemwingie was a million times better than Arnie at Hull. So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game.... Have to agree. Odemwingie is 33 and realistically isn't the future despite his efforts and unquestionably positive impact last season. Still has an important role this season off the bench. Walters shouldn't be anywhere near the starting xi anymore. I find it hysterical albeit slightly frightening that some fans want to bring Walters back because he scored against a league 2 side. In fact it's fucking absurd in all fairness given how evidently out of his depth he is at premier league level. It was inevitable that we would struggle to sell him mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:29:55 GMT
Odemwingie was a million times better than Arnie at Hull. So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game.... You call it "chopping and changing", I call it "healthy competition". Gone are the Pulis days of the same XI week in, week out - regardless of what the players do when given a chance. It appears you are basing your opinions on who your favourites are, but I'd prefer to look at what has actually happened over the first 3 games. I'm Arnie's biggest fan, and it is undoubtedly just a minor blip in form in my opinion, but I'd still utilise the squad we have at our disposal. We now have 3 good options for the 2 wide positions - Arnie, Moses and Odemwingie. We need to use all 3 to keep them all motivated and create that competition that all good teams have. As for Walters, I don't really care how is all round performance was last night. If you score 2 goals, then that's a good game for an attacking player. We have looked toothless over our first 2 games so a bit of rotation won't do us any harm whatsoever. You seem to be writing off Odemwingie very quickly too, despite him being outstanding last season and pivotal in our turnaround in fortunes. He has pace and he knows where the net is. Two great commodoties to have in a player. For Man City away I think counter attack and pace is the only chance we have of getting anything out of the match. For that reason, I'd play Odemwingie and Moses in the wide attacking roles. I suppose he could do that and still try Arnie in a new role behind the forward? The great thing about how things stand is that we have great options in most positions. They'll all get opportunities throughout the season.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:32:02 GMT
So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game.... Have to agree. Odemwingie is 33 and realistically isn't the future despite his efforts and unquestionably positive impact last season. Still has an important role this season off the bench. Walters shouldn't be anywhere near the starting xi anymore. I find it hysterical albeit slightly frightening that some fans want to bring Walters back because he scored against a league 2 side. In fact it's fucking absurd in all fairness given how evidently out of his depth he is at premier league level. It was inevitable that we would struggle to sell him mind. In all fairness mate, if Bojan or Diouf had scored two goals last night I'd imagine we'd all be lapping it up now. In fact, we all lapped it up when Bojan scored in pre-season friendlies. The fact that "it counts for nothing, the opposition were fucking shit" is being peddled is because the goals came courtesy of Mr Marmite himself and a lot of people have already made their minds up.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2014 19:32:44 GMT
So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game.... You call it "chopping and changing", I call it "healthy competition". Gone are the Pulis days of the same XI week in, week out - regardless of what the players do when given a chance. It appears you are basing your opinions on who your favourites are, but I'd prefer to look at what has actually happened over the first 3 games. I'm Arnie's biggest fan, and it is undoubtedly just a minor blip in form in my opinion, but I'd still utilise the squad we have at our disposal. We now have 3 good options for the 2 wide positions - Arnie, Moses and Odemwingie. We need to use all 3 to keep them all motivated and create that competition that all good teams have. As for Walters, I don't really care how is all round performance was last night. If you score 2 goals, then that's a good game for an attacking player. We have looked toothless over our first 2 games so a bit of rotation won't do us any harm whatsoever. You seem to be writing off Odemwingie very quickly too, despite him being outstanding last season and pivotal in our turnaround in fortunes. He has pace and he knows where the net is. Two great commodoties to have in a player. For Man City away I think counter attack and pace is the only chance we have of getting anything out of the match. For that reason, I'd play Odemwingie and Moses in the wide attacking roles. I suppose he could do that and still try Arnie in a new role behind the forward? The great thing about how things stand is that we have great options in most positions. They'll all get opportunities throughout the season. Being dropped for Walters would not only demotivate a player, it would most probably mentally scar them for life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:42:00 GMT
Walters? Some people are clueless. Despite scoring two goals, bar Odemwingie, he was our worst player. And assisting the 3rd.
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Post by ianstokie on Aug 28, 2014 19:44:06 GMT
Great for Walters to score 2, but I think Diouf would have managed to poke both in from that range. Service counted last night.
Begovic Cameron Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Nzonzi. Whelan Moses. Adam. Odemwingie Diouf
Crouch, Arnie, Wilko, Walters Sorensen on the bench
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 19:58:04 GMT
Great for Walters to score 2, but I think Diouf would have managed to poke both in from that range. Service counted last night. Begovic Cameron Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Nzonzi. Whelan Moses. Adam. Odemwingie Diouf Crouch, Arnie, Wilko, Walters Sorensen on the bench No credit for being in the right place at the right time?
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 28, 2014 20:01:28 GMT
Great for Walters to score 2, but I think Diouf would have managed to poke both in from that range. Service counted last night. Begovic Cameron Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Nzonzi. Whelan Moses. Adam. Odemwingie Diouf Crouch, Arnie, Wilko, Walters Sorensen on the bench johnny on the spot for both goals , the first one was pretty good though
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Post by ianstokie on Aug 28, 2014 20:06:10 GMT
Great for Walters to score 2, but I think Diouf would have managed to poke both in from that range. Service counted last night. Begovic Cameron Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Nzonzi. Whelan Moses. Adam. Odemwingie Diouf Crouch, Arnie, Wilko, Walters Sorensen on the bench No credit for being in the right place at the right time? No disputing that, but I would expect Diouf to be there too. It does show (whoever is there) that it is service that was missing. Moses might be just the ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:08:45 GMT
No credit for being in the right place at the right time? No disputing that, but I would expect Diouf to be there too. It does show (whoever is there) that it is service that was missing. Moses might be just the ticket. Diouf had a sitter of a chance at Hull and didn't even hit the target. I think some people just aren't giving Walters enough credit due to predetermined opinions on the player.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:29:03 GMT
Just watched the highlights again.
Good movement and desire to get there for the first goal, neat finish too.
Tap in for the second but credit for being in the right place at the right time.
Pinpoint cross to create the third for Crouch.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2014 20:36:13 GMT
No disputing that, but I would expect Diouf to be there too. It does show (whoever is there) that it is service that was missing. Moses might be just the ticket. Diouf had a sitter of a chance at Hull and didn't even hit the target. I think some people just aren't giving Walters enough credit due to predetermined opinions on the player. My opinion of him is formed around watching him miss glorious chances in big games, miss controlling the ball, giving the ball away, taking the wrong option and being generally a poor PL player. 2 tap ins against a league two outfit and "he runs a lot" isn't the basis for him to start against the Champions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 20:37:09 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
Whelan
Moses N'Zonzi Adam Arnautovic
Diouf
Subs from: Sorensen, Muniesa, Huth, Bojan, Sidwell, Walters, , Odeminwinge, Crouch
Think it will be more 4-1-4-1 than 4-2-3-1, try and keep things tight and use Moses and Arnautivic to try and break. Hopefully Adam will produce a bit of magic from 30 yards, there's definitely a goal brewing from him.
I'm going for an Adam piledriver to take a shock lead, with two late goals from the hosts and a plucky 1-2 defeat....
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 28, 2014 20:40:53 GMT
There are so many injury concerns it is tough to call, but I think we'll see something like:
Bego Bardsley Shawcross Wilson pieters Whelan nzonzi Moses Adam Arnie Diouf
If bardsley can't go wilko would come in, if Whelan can't then sidwell.
Although I expect diouf and Arnie to start their form has been terrible, so if I were picked the team if include crouch instead of diouf and replace Arnie with walters at halftime if he continues to look like he has in the first two games.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2014 20:42:00 GMT
I hope Charlie gets a game. He's positive, has an eye for goal and also likes to leave a foot in which let's face it we all like to see.
His fitness worries me though.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2014 20:44:09 GMT
No disputing that, but I would expect Diouf to be there too. It does show (whoever is there) that it is service that was missing. Moses might be just the ticket. Diouf had a sitter of a chance at Hull and didn't even hit the target. I think some people just aren't giving Walters enough credit due to predetermined opinions on the player. Come on mate these are opinions based on 3 years of watching a forward who is haplessly out of his depth. If we are seriously considering playing Walters then I think it would be fair to call this transfer window a complete and utter fucking failure given we've brought in 3 new forwards. Surely Hughes isn't about ditch the man he's spent 12 months trying to get after 2 games. Particularly for a player who has a proven record of not cutting it at this level. Would just be rank bad man management and I don't believe for a second Hughes is going to do this. It would be like admitting he's fucked up. We should be trying to clear out the likes of Walters not bring them back into the frame.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2014 20:45:37 GMT
Diouf had a sitter of a chance at Hull and didn't even hit the target. I think some people just aren't giving Walters enough credit due to predetermined opinions on the player. Come on mate these are opinions based on 3 years of watching a forward who is haplessly out of his depth. If we are seriously considering playing Walters then I think it would be fair to call this transfer window a complete and utter fucking failure given we've brought in 3 new forwards. Surely Hughes isn't about ditch the man he's spent 12 months trying to get after 2 games. Particularly for a player who has a proven record of not cutting it at this level. Would just be rank bad man management and I don't believe for a second Hughes is going to do this. It would be like admitting he's fucked up. We should be trying to clear out the likes of Walters not bringing them back into the frame. Great point about the transfer window.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2014 20:46:12 GMT
I hope Charlie gets a game. He's positive, has an eye for goal and also likes to leave a foot in which let's face it we all like to see. His fitness worries me though. Absolutely agree. He's been our main goal threat since the day we signed him. For all his mistakes he's still a cut above anyone else we've got in midfield when it comes to creating chances and taking chances.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 21:04:14 GMT
I hope Charlie gets a game. He's positive, has an eye for goal and also likes to leave a foot in which let's face it we all like to see. His fitness worries me though. Absolutely agree. He's been our main goal threat since the day we signed him. For all his mistakes he's still a cut above anyone else we've got in midfield when it comes to creating chances and taking chances. I don't buy into this whole "Adam is a liability" bollocks though. His good points far outweigh his bad points,as he proved last season with his game winning goals. We struggled to create chances on Sunday,so on that basis he deserves a chance on Saturday and also at home against Leicester.
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Post by ianstokie on Aug 28, 2014 21:31:43 GMT
Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I think Bojan is out injured for another week .
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 28, 2014 21:40:26 GMT
So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game.... Have to agree. Odemwingie is 33 and realistically isn't the future despite his efforts and unquestionably positive impact last season. Still has an important role this season off the bench. Walters shouldn't be anywhere near the starting xi anymore. I find it hysterical albeit slightly frightening that some fans want to bring Walters back because he scored against a league 2 side. In fact it's fucking absurd in all fairness given how evidently out of his depth he is at premier league level. It was inevitable that we would struggle to sell him mind. If he is out of his depth at PL level then the only conclusion is that two managers who selected him for 100+ consecutive PL games don't know what they are doing, despite one of them subsequently winning the PL manager of the year, and the other being the manager who took us to our highest ever PL finish. Personally, I don't think so. It doesn't necessarily mean that he will or should start on Saturday ( although I wouldn't be unhappy if he did) but the terms in which he is written off by some carry no credibility in my view.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 28, 2014 22:17:43 GMT
Have to agree. Odemwingie is 33 and realistically isn't the future despite his efforts and unquestionably positive impact last season. Still has an important role this season off the bench. Walters shouldn't be anywhere near the starting xi anymore. I find it hysterical albeit slightly frightening that some fans want to bring Walters back because he scored against a league 2 side. In fact it's fucking absurd in all fairness given how evidently out of his depth he is at premier league level. It was inevitable that we would struggle to sell him mind. In all fairness mate, if Bojan or Diouf had scored two goals last night I'd imagine we'd all be lapping it up now. In fact, we all lapped it up when Bojan scored in pre-season friendlies. The fact that "it counts for nothing, the opposition were fucking shit" is being peddled is because the goals came courtesy of Mr Marmite himself and a lot of people have already made their minds up. I think you are right, there. JW was in a "heads you lose, tails you lose" situation. If he does well, it counts for nothing because it's a league 2 defence, but if he hadn't done well, it's " he can't even do it against L2 opposition". If, on the other hand, your name is Victor Moses, it's different - "brilliant - done enough to earn a start on saturday" Personally, I think the case for change on Saturday has less to do with the performances last night against a L2 side, good though many of them were, and more to do with the poor performances in the first two league games of the season. If, for example, JW had put in the performance which some of those players did he'd have been gleefully slaughtered on here by some.
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Post by Lightwood on Aug 28, 2014 22:20:29 GMT
Record at Man City in prem, Played 6, Lost 6, For 0, against 16 - so whatever team we play, just scoring will be an achievement
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 28, 2014 22:22:17 GMT
unsoiled sheet
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 22:59:15 GMT
In all fairness mate, if Bojan or Diouf had scored two goals last night I'd imagine we'd all be lapping it up now. In fact, we all lapped it up when Bojan scored in pre-season friendlies. The fact that "it counts for nothing, the opposition were fucking shit" is being peddled is because the goals came courtesy of Mr Marmite himself and a lot of people have already made their minds up. I think you are right, there. JW was in a "heads you lose, tails you lose" situation. If he does well, it counts for nothing because it's a league 2 defence, but if he hadn't done well, it's " he can't even do it against L2 opposition". If, on the other hand, your name is Victor Moses, it's different - "brilliant - done enough to earn a start on saturday" Personally, I think the case for change on Saturday has less to do with the performances last night against a L2 side, good though many of them were, and more to do with the poor performances in the first two league games of the season. If, for example, JW had put in the performance which some of those players did he'd have been gleefully slaughtered on here by some. Amen brother.
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Post by heisenberg88 on Aug 28, 2014 23:49:21 GMT
4 nil dicking for us I'm afraid.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 29, 2014 7:04:59 GMT
One thing defenders don't like is pace, so if Boyan IS fit I would play him up top alongside either Crouch or Diouf......knock downs from them and Banjo running on to them. If Bojann isnt fit then go with Diouf and Walters as a front two. I simply DO NOT understand this 'one up top' nonsense. If you have 2 strikers you carry twice the threat surely....? If theres one, its a simple case for the defenders of "you pick the man up and I'll cover behind"....so the striker has two players to beat. Get 2 up front Leslie - you know it makes sense Oh - and play Adams as well (If no one HASNT noticed Im just trying to ruffle the feathers of the 'spell the players names correctly FFS" brigade)
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Post by owdestokie on Aug 29, 2014 9:33:58 GMT
In all fairness mate, if Bojan or Diouf had scored two goals last night I'd imagine we'd all be lapping it up now. In fact, we all lapped it up when Bojan scored in pre-season friendlies. The fact that "it counts for nothing, the opposition were fucking shit" is being peddled is because the goals came courtesy of Mr Marmite himself and a lot of people have already made their minds up. I think you are right, there. JW was in a "heads you lose, tails you lose" situation. If he does well, it counts for nothing because it's a league 2 defence, but if he hadn't done well, it's " he can't even do it against L2 opposition". If, on the other hand, your name is Victor Moses, it's different - "brilliant - done enough to earn a start on saturday" Personally, I think the case for change on Saturday has less to do with the performances last night against a L2 side, good though many of them were, and more to do with the poor performances in the first two league games of the season. If, for example, JW had put in the performance which some of those players did he'd have been gleefully slaughtered on here by some. Come on Malcolm you know better than post comment like that
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 29, 2014 10:16:25 GMT
I don't know the specific game you're talking about but I'd be very surprised if Spurs set up with Crouch as a lone striker against them and would guess that he had a partner like Defoe or Pavlyuchenko, which would be completely different to how he would be used in a 4-2-3-1.
This was the team on the night Tottenham Hotspur Harry Redknapp You’ve got to admire his gift for assembling a team that plays winning football with plenty of style. 9 Heurelho Gomes: £10m Against all expectations, has turned into a keeper of genuine substance, those earlier gaffes now a distant memory. 9 Younes Kaboul: £5m Had a nightmare recently, his decision-making and positioning far from ideal. Yet his pace will be useful against Bellamy. 5 Michael Dawson: £4m A near flawless season from this brave centre-half whose positional sense and passing have improved no end. 9 Ledley King: Free What a boost if he makes it. King lifts the whole team with the seemingly effortless way he handles opponents. 9 Benoit Assou-Ekotto: £3.5m On his day, a very good left-back. When the mind is elsewhere, though, he can be an absolute liability. 7 David Bentley: £15m Another unpredictable character liable to try something silly when a simple pass will do. Great set-piece delivery though. 6 Tom Huddlestone: £2.5m Like Dawson, has enjoyed a terrific campaign, defying his critics to add mobility and fitness to a classy passing game. 9 Wilson Palacios: £12m On form, he’s a vital component who breaks up attacks. Sometimes, however, he struggles to keep up with the pace. 7 Luka Modric: £16.6m A wonderful little player capable of causing chaos with such quick feet. For City, stopping the Croatian must be a priority. 8 Gareth Bale: £6m In irresistible form, the flying Welshman gives Spurs so much energy and pace up that left flank. 9 Peter Crouch: £9m Hasn’t started for a while so this would be a big call. If Spurs go with one up front, he’s the obvious man. 7 WP and Huddleston were in a holding role with the other three getting up to support. Well it would appear that in order to try and make your point, you're actually allowing your memory to play tricks on you.
(As I suspected) Crouch wasn't a lone striker at all but rather Spurs set up as a 4-4-2, with Defoe up front with Crouch and Lennon and Bale playing on the wings.
Huddlestone and Modric were the centre '2' with Bentley coming late on as a straight swap for Lennon and Palacios getting on for the final two minutes of the game, in a straight swap for Huddlestone.
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8659403.stm
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Post by miggo on Aug 29, 2014 11:08:57 GMT
You have to wonder what Muniesa has got to do to get a run in the first team at left back. He always plays well. In the first half against pompey he struggled defensively, looked great going forward. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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