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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 28, 2014 13:39:26 GMT
I think the man in the hole has to get a lot closer to him, that's why he looked so isolated against Hull.
We haven't seen Bojan play behind Diouf yet and ultimately I think it's going to be the way to go, it was such as shame that Diouf was stuck out on the left wing on Sunday, whilst Bojan was our best player in the second half.
I agree that Crouch would make no sense whatsoever against Citeh.
I was at the COM when Spurs beat Man City to grab the CL spot a few seasons ago. They couldn't handle Crouch at all. He was the focal point of all the attacks as everything went through him with three players breaking off his lay offs. I think he scored the winner if memory serves off a move that started with a ball in to him.
I don't know the specific game you're talking about but I'd be very surprised if Spurs set up with Crouch as a lone striker against them and would guess that he had a partner like Defoe or Pavlyuchenko, which would be completely different to how he would be used in a 4-2-3-1.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 28, 2014 13:41:36 GMT
It is a tough one - play Crouch but slow down our counter-attacks, although at least have someone who can hold up the ball and relieve pressure, play Diouf for pace on the break but minimal hold up play and he seems low on confidence, play Bojan up top to surprise them and have no one for them really to mark as he drops deep and links play, or even give Walters a go up top to give us a physical hard-working outlet? And that's just one position....... One thing Hughes has done in his time here is to pick on form more often than not. It does throw a spanner in the works that some of his first choice for the two games so far have not looked to be firing on all cylinders, whereas the subs have improved us noticeably. Similarly, some of those playing last night did their hopes of a starting spot in the league fairly soon no harm. We have only one chance to get something from this game - to hit them on the break with pace. They will have most of the possession so we need our most solid defence and Whelan at his best in front of them. I'd start Huth ahead of Wilson, play Bojan in the number 10 spot, Moses ahead of Odemwingie and give Diouf another chance to settle in, but I am not totally committed to this team, and can see how it could easily be argued to try a few other options. ...........Bego........ Bardsley..Shawcross..Huth...Pieters ......N'Zonzi...Whelan...... Moses......Bojan.....Arnie ...........Diouf..........
Yeah if it's got to be 4-2-3-1, then that's the team I'd go with too Jezza.
I'd actually prefer Odemwingie on the flank to Arnie but I was shocked at how poor he looked last night.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 28, 2014 13:44:53 GMT
If you changed the system, so that we played the same system that Liverpool finished with last season (4-3-1-2), with Bojan and Diouf playing in the Suraez and Sturridge roles and Moses given free reign to play behind the front two in the Sterling role, allowing him to pop up on either wing at will, then you couldn't half tick a lot of boxes.
Bojan playing in his favourite position as a striker - tick. Diouf playing as part of a front two as he prefers - tick. Adam playing deep as part of a midfield three (his best position) - tick. You could switch Crouch for either Bojan and Diouf at anytime and he himself wouldn't become isolated - tick.
-----------------Begovic----------------
Bardsley---Shawcross---Huth---Pieters
-----------------Whelan-----------------
-------N'Zonzi-----------Adam----------
-----------------Moses-------------------
-----------Bojan-------Diouf-------------
I can't see Hughes changing formations mind, he appears to be as rigidly attached to 4-2-3-1 as TP was to 4-4-1-1.
I'd jump at that Paul and as you say it allows different types of player like Crouch to come on and add their own benefits without upsetting the balance too much if at all. I also fear you are spot on in your final sentence though. I quite like that side, too. I am a big fan of Hughes, but I think you both may be right regarding a lack of flexibility on his part. I think chances will be few and far between for us, so the ability to hit them on the break and sneak a goal seems our best bet. I think Moses will be key for us all season as well as this game.
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 28, 2014 13:46:22 GMT
Whatever the team, I'll be there to see it in the flesh. I'm on the plane overnight tonight back to Blighty. If any of you buggers see me (and the missus) at the game, say hello!
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Post by 2004 on Aug 28, 2014 13:49:44 GMT
So, John Walters scored two tap-ins against very poor opposition and he's the next Ronaldo? Sorry, no he's not. Bojan and Adam must start for me. Bego Pieters Wilson Shawcross Bards Adam Nzonzi Moses Bojan Arnie Diouf I don't think Bojan will play as he has a slight knock and we won't have the ball at all in this game. Also he did not start at Hull.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 28, 2014 13:53:01 GMT
It is a tough one - play Crouch but slow down our counter-attacks, although at least have someone who can hold up the ball and relieve pressure, play Diouf for pace on the break but minimal hold up play and he seems low on confidence, play Bojan up top to surprise them and have no one for them really to mark as he drops deep and links play, or even give Walters a go up top to give us a physical hard-working outlet? And that's just one position....... One thing Hughes has done in his time here is to pick on form more often than not. It does throw a spanner in the works that some of his first choice for the two games so far have not looked to be firing on all cylinders, whereas the subs have improved us noticeably. Similarly, some of those playing last night did their hopes of a starting spot in the league fairly soon no harm. We have only one chance to get something from this game - to hit them on the break with pace. They will have most of the possession so we need our most solid defence and Whelan at his best in front of them. I'd start Huth ahead of Wilson, play Bojan in the number 10 spot, Moses ahead of Odemwingie and give Diouf another chance to settle in, but I am not totally committed to this team, and can see how it could easily be argued to try a few other options. ...........Bego........ Bardsley..Shawcross..Huth...Pieters ......N'Zonzi...Whelan...... Moses......Bojan.....Arnie ...........Diouf.......... I think you've got that about right. It's hard on those that played well last night apart from Moses getting the shout over Wingie. Beating Leicester is critical, so IMO MH should keep playing his first choices to get them to gel. If Arni, Diouf, Bojan, Whelan all "strike out" again then they start to be dropped and others given their chance against Leicester.
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Post by werrington on Aug 28, 2014 14:00:34 GMT
Not that fussed as long as its one or the other trick. Change the system or drop him, the alternative stinks. On the basis that I don't think Hughes will change the system I'd drop him but I have a horrible feeling we are going to be banging our head on the same brick wall for an hour or so again on Saturday.
If you changed the system, so that we played the same system that Liverpool finished with last season (4-3-1-2), with Bojan and Diouf playing in the Suraez and Sturridge roles and Moses given free reign to play behind the front two in the Sterling role, allowing him to pop up on either wing at will, then you couldn't half tick a lot of boxes.
Bojan playing in his favourite position as a striker - tick. Diouf playing as part of a front two as he prefers - tick. Adam playing deep as part of a midfield three (his best position) - tick. You could switch Crouch for either Bojan and Diouf at anytime and he himself wouldn't become isolated - tick.
-----------------Begovic----------------
Bardsley---Shawcross---Huth---Pieters
-----------------Whelan-----------------
-------N'Zonzi-----------Adam----------
-----------------Moses-------------------
-----------Bojan-------Diouf-------------
I can't see Hughes changing formations mind, he appears to be as rigidly attached to 4-2-3-1 as TP was to 4-4-1-1.
That's a cracking side mate
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 28, 2014 14:12:34 GMT
If you changed the system, so that we played the same system that Liverpool finished with last season (4-3-1-2), with Bojan and Diouf playing in the Suraez and Sturridge roles and Moses given free reign to play behind the front two in the Sterling role, allowing him to pop up on either wing at will, then you couldn't half tick a lot of boxes.
Bojan playing in his favourite position as a striker - tick. Diouf playing as part of a front two as he prefers - tick. Adam playing deep as part of a midfield three (his best position) - tick. You could switch Crouch for either Bojan and Diouf at anytime and he himself wouldn't become isolated - tick.
-----------------Begovic----------------
Bardsley---Shawcross---Huth---Pieters
-----------------Whelan-----------------
-------N'Zonzi-----------Adam----------
-----------------Moses-------------------
-----------Bojan-------Diouf-------------
I can't see Hughes changing formations mind, he appears to be as rigidly attached to 4-2-3-1 as TP was to 4-4-1-1.
That's a cracking side mate Yeah, how do we make this happen?!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 14:14:09 GMT
Based on last night, I’d play Jon through the middle. Similar to KJ in the League Cup last season, scoring goals should be rewarded with “keeping the shirt”. The fact the opposition ply their trade a couple of tiers below us is irrelevant, you can only perform against what is put in front of you. Based on his performance, I’d hand Moses a start too. It isn’t about writing the others off just yet, but healthy competition is vital and it will keep everybody on their toes. Cameron will probably miss out due to injury so he’ll have to wait his turn a little while longer. Both Adam and Crouch have done well in their sub appearances in the league so far so I’d be tempted to include both of them, although Crouch may not be the right fit for Man City away (although I wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity if Hughes does select him). I’d be tempted to go with Odemwingie on the other flank as pace is our only realistic chance of getting any joy out of the game. Walters has the work rate to lead the line and cover enough ground not to get isolated too. Bojan would get the nod in the hole due to being the best (albeit of a bad bunch) of the attacking players against Hull. Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa
Adam Whelan
Odemwingie Bojan Moses
Walters
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 28, 2014 14:19:23 GMT
Based on last night, I’d play Jon through the middle. Similar to KJ in the League Cup last season, scoring goals should be rewarded with “keeping the shirt”. The fact the opposition ply their trade a couple of tiers below us is irrelevant, you can only perform against what is put in front of you. Based on his performance, I’d hand Moses a start too. It isn’t about writing the others off just yet, but healthy competition is vital and it will keep everybody on their toes. Cameron will probably miss out due to injury so he’ll have to wait his turn a little while longer. Both Adam and Crouch have done well in their sub appearances in the league so far so I’d be tempted to include both of them, although Crouch may not be the right fit for Man City away (although I wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity if Hughes does select him). I’d be tempted to go with Odemwingie on the other flank as pace is our only realistic chance of getting any joy out of the game. Walters has the work rate to lead the line and cover enough ground not to get isolated too. Bojan would get the nod in the hole due to being the best (albeit of a bad bunch) of the attacking players against Hull. Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa
Adam Whelan
Odemwingie Bojan Moses
Walters
So we are just going to ignore the last 3 years and base Walters on a peformance against a league 2 outfit? Staggering.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 28, 2014 14:20:45 GMT
one of the priorities will be to pick up and mark the opposition , our forwards in particular have a job to do in this respect , they have players throughout the team capable of scoring especially from midfield , walters will close them down all day long , for that reason i wouldnt play adam
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 14:25:50 GMT
Based on last night, I’d play Jon through the middle. Similar to KJ in the League Cup last season, scoring goals should be rewarded with “keeping the shirt”. The fact the opposition ply their trade a couple of tiers below us is irrelevant, you can only perform against what is put in front of you. Based on his performance, I’d hand Moses a start too. It isn’t about writing the others off just yet, but healthy competition is vital and it will keep everybody on their toes. Cameron will probably miss out due to injury so he’ll have to wait his turn a little while longer. Both Adam and Crouch have done well in their sub appearances in the league so far so I’d be tempted to include both of them, although Crouch may not be the right fit for Man City away (although I wouldn’t begrudge him the opportunity if Hughes does select him). I’d be tempted to go with Odemwingie on the other flank as pace is our only realistic chance of getting any joy out of the game. Walters has the work rate to lead the line and cover enough ground not to get isolated too. Bojan would get the nod in the hole due to being the best (albeit of a bad bunch) of the attacking players against Hull. Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Muniesa
Adam Whelan
Odemwingie Bojan Moses
Walters
So we are just going to ignore the last 3 years and base Walters on a peformance against a league 2 outfit? Staggering. Based on "performing to keep the shirt", yes, I'd start Walters on Saturday. As I also said, that isn't writing the others off. I think we all agree Walters isn't the long term option up front, but he does still have something to offer and is a good squad player to have on the books. Crouchie is also in with a shout due to his sub appearances in the league, and a goal last night to boot, but he may not be suited to Man City away. I think the pace of Moses and Odemwingie is our best chance to get anything from the match.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 28, 2014 14:28:30 GMT
I was at the COM when Spurs beat Man City to grab the CL spot a few seasons ago. They couldn't handle Crouch at all. He was the focal point of all the attacks as everything went through him with three players breaking off his lay offs. I think he scored the winner if memory serves off a move that started with a ball in to him.
I don't know the specific game you're talking about but I'd be very surprised if Spurs set up with Crouch as a lone striker against them and would guess that he had a partner like Defoe or Pavlyuchenko, which would be completely different to how he would be used in a 4-2-3-1.
This was the team on the night Tottenham Hotspur Harry Redknapp You’ve got to admire his gift for assembling a team that plays winning football with plenty of style. 9 Heurelho Gomes: £10m Against all expectations, has turned into a keeper of genuine substance, those earlier gaffes now a distant memory. 9 Younes Kaboul: £5m Had a nightmare recently, his decision-making and positioning far from ideal. Yet his pace will be useful against Bellamy. 5 Michael Dawson: £4m A near flawless season from this brave centre-half whose positional sense and passing have improved no end. 9 Ledley King: Free What a boost if he makes it. King lifts the whole team with the seemingly effortless way he handles opponents. 9 Benoit Assou-Ekotto: £3.5m On his day, a very good left-back. When the mind is elsewhere, though, he can be an absolute liability. 7 David Bentley: £15m Another unpredictable character liable to try something silly when a simple pass will do. Great set-piece delivery though. 6 Tom Huddlestone: £2.5m Like Dawson, has enjoyed a terrific campaign, defying his critics to add mobility and fitness to a classy passing game. 9 Wilson Palacios: £12m On form, he’s a vital component who breaks up attacks. Sometimes, however, he struggles to keep up with the pace. 7 Luka Modric: £16.6m A wonderful little player capable of causing chaos with such quick feet. For City, stopping the Croatian must be a priority. 8 Gareth Bale: £6m In irresistible form, the flying Welshman gives Spurs so much energy and pace up that left flank. 9 Peter Crouch: £9m Hasn’t started for a while so this would be a big call. If Spurs go with one up front, he’s the obvious man. 7 WP and Huddleston were in a holding role with the other three getting up to support.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 28, 2014 14:40:02 GMT
I don't know the specific game you're talking about but I'd be very surprised if Spurs set up with Crouch as a lone striker against them and would guess that he had a partner like Defoe or Pavlyuchenko, which would be completely different to how he would be used in a 4-2-3-1.
This was the team on the night Tottenham Hotspur Harry Redknapp You’ve got to admire his gift for assembling a team that plays winning football with plenty of style. 9 Heurelho Gomes: £10m Against all expectations, has turned into a keeper of genuine substance, those earlier gaffes now a distant memory. 9 Younes Kaboul: £5m Had a nightmare recently, his decision-making and positioning far from ideal. Yet his pace will be useful against Bellamy. 5 Michael Dawson: £4m A near flawless season from this brave centre-half whose positional sense and passing have improved no end. 9 Ledley King: Free What a boost if he makes it. King lifts the whole team with the seemingly effortless way he handles opponents. 9 Benoit Assou-Ekotto: £3.5m On his day, a very good left-back. When the mind is elsewhere, though, he can be an absolute liability. 7 David Bentley: £15m Another unpredictable character liable to try something silly when a simple pass will do. Great set-piece delivery though. 6 Tom Huddlestone: £2.5m Like Dawson, has enjoyed a terrific campaign, defying his critics to add mobility and fitness to a classy passing game. 9 Wilson Palacios: £12m On form, he’s a vital component who breaks up attacks. Sometimes, however, he struggles to keep up with the pace. 7 Luka Modric: £16.6m A wonderful little player capable of causing chaos with such quick feet. For City, stopping the Croatian must be a priority. 8 Gareth Bale: £6m In irresistible form, the flying Welshman gives Spurs so much energy and pace up that left flank. 9 Peter Crouch: £9m Hasn’t started for a while so this would be a big call. If Spurs go with one up front, he’s the obvious man. 7 WP and Huddleston were in a holding role with the other three getting up to support. Out of interest - what date was this match? Cheers
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 28, 2014 14:50:57 GMT
Cameron is out for at least two weeks and looks like Bardsley could be out for Sat too so do you go with Wilko or put Wilson there maybe?
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Post by jezzascfc on Aug 28, 2014 14:55:52 GMT
Cameron is out for at least two weeks and looks like Bardsley could be out for Sat too so do you go with Wilko or put Wilson there maybe? If so, move Wilson across and bring in Huth. Wilko is a walking red card against players as skilful as Silva and Nasri.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 28, 2014 14:57:53 GMT
This is my team for Saturday:- Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus Bus
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 28, 2014 15:39:47 GMT
This was the team on the night Tottenham Hotspur Harry Redknapp You’ve got to admire his gift for assembling a team that plays winning football with plenty of style. 9 Heurelho Gomes: £10m Against all expectations, has turned into a keeper of genuine substance, those earlier gaffes now a distant memory. 9 Younes Kaboul: £5m Had a nightmare recently, his decision-making and positioning far from ideal. Yet his pace will be useful against Bellamy. 5 Michael Dawson: £4m A near flawless season from this brave centre-half whose positional sense and passing have improved no end. 9 Ledley King: Free What a boost if he makes it. King lifts the whole team with the seemingly effortless way he handles opponents. 9 Benoit Assou-Ekotto: £3.5m On his day, a very good left-back. When the mind is elsewhere, though, he can be an absolute liability. 7 David Bentley: £15m Another unpredictable character liable to try something silly when a simple pass will do. Great set-piece delivery though. 6 Tom Huddlestone: £2.5m Like Dawson, has enjoyed a terrific campaign, defying his critics to add mobility and fitness to a classy passing game. 9 Wilson Palacios: £12m On form, he’s a vital component who breaks up attacks. Sometimes, however, he struggles to keep up with the pace. 7 Luka Modric: £16.6m A wonderful little player capable of causing chaos with such quick feet. For City, stopping the Croatian must be a priority. 8 Gareth Bale: £6m In irresistible form, the flying Welshman gives Spurs so much energy and pace up that left flank. 9 Peter Crouch: £9m Hasn’t started for a while so this would be a big call. If Spurs go with one up front, he’s the obvious man. 7 WP and Huddleston were in a holding role with the other three getting up to support. Out of interest - what date was this match? Cheers May 2010 I think.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 28, 2014 16:58:55 GMT
Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan Adam Wingie Bojan Moses Diouf
I'm willing to give Diouf more time to sort his shit out but if not then Crouch comes in for him as I'd think Bojan playing off Crouch would work very well.
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Post by Birchesheadpotter on Aug 28, 2014 17:14:12 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley . Shawcross . Huth . Pieters
Muniesa . N'Zonzi
Moses . Bojan . Arnautovic
Diouf
Arnautovic has to impress this time around after two pretty dismal displays, and I'm more than sure that Muniesa will be a revelation in the holding role; him actively wanting the ball will help to bring it out from the back a lot better too.
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 28, 2014 17:17:26 GMT
After first couple league games im concerned this could be a spudding but theres also an argument that as we wont be trying break times down but hitting on the break instead that it could lead to a better performance.
We need pace on the break as others have said and id tweak it try moses and arnie wide, wingie in behind diouf.
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 28, 2014 17:24:08 GMT
Bego
Bardsley Shawcross Wilson Pieters
Odemwingie N'Zonzi Whelan Walters (think we need his workrate here!) Moses
Diouf
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Post by stokecity4life on Aug 28, 2014 17:26:08 GMT
Begovic
Bardsley Shawcross Huth Muniesa
Adam N'Zonzi
Walters Bojan Moses
Crouch
Only debatable one for me is Walters/Diouf/Arnie but for me against Man City we need walters workrate at getting back.
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Post by coates on Aug 28, 2014 17:36:22 GMT
Begovic Bardsley . Shawcross . Huth . Pieters Muniesa . N'Zonzi Moses . Bojan . Arnautovic Diouf Arnautovic has to impress this time around after two pretty dismal displays, and I'm more than sure that Muniesa will be a revelation in the holding role; him actively wanting the ball will help to bring it out from the back a lot better too. Some pace there to counter citeh.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2014 18:16:15 GMT
So we are just going to ignore the last 3 years and base Walters on a peformance against a league 2 outfit? Staggering. Based on "performing to keep the shirt", yes, I'd start Walters on Saturday. As I also said, that isn't writing the others off. I think we all agree Walters isn't the long term option up front, but he does still have something to offer and is a good squad player to have on the books. Crouchie is also in with a shout due to his sub appearances in the league, and a goal last night to boot, but he may not be suited to Man City away. I think the pace of Moses and Odemwingie is our best chance to get anything from the match. His performance last night was woeful. Only Odemwingie was poorer. In my opinion both Walters and Odemwingie have both served their purpose and are bench fodder at best.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 18:36:20 GMT
Based on "performing to keep the shirt", yes, I'd start Walters on Saturday. As I also said, that isn't writing the others off. I think we all agree Walters isn't the long term option up front, but he does still have something to offer and is a good squad player to have on the books. Crouchie is also in with a shout due to his sub appearances in the league, and a goal last night to boot, but he may not be suited to Man City away. I think the pace of Moses and Odemwingie is our best chance to get anything from the match. His performance last night was woeful. Only Odemwingie was poorer. In my opinion both Walters and Odemwingie have both served their purpose and are bench fodder at best. Odemwingie was a million times better than Arnie at Hull.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Aug 28, 2014 18:42:40 GMT
His performance last night was woeful. Only Odemwingie was poorer. In my opinion both Walters and Odemwingie have both served their purpose and are bench fodder at best. Odemwingie was a million times better than Arnie at Hull. Agreed but was utter shit last night.
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 28, 2014 18:45:25 GMT
His performance last night was woeful. Only Odemwingie was poorer. In my opinion both Walters and Odemwingie have both served their purpose and are bench fodder at best. Odemwingie was a million times better than Arnie at Hull. So? Arnie is a nailed on certainty when fit, the guy has too much talent to leave on the bench. Are we going down the route of chopping and changing after every match? It was the same this time last year - the manager struggling to find his best 11 leading to dodgy results. All i've seen from Odemwingie lately is a player who gives the ball away and doesn't have that much pace. And let's not forget, Citeh away is a bonus game....
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Post by jwhpotter on Aug 28, 2014 19:06:49 GMT
Based on "performing to keep the shirt", yes, I'd start Walters on Saturday. As I also said, that isn't writing the others off. I think we all agree Walters isn't the long term option up front, but he does still have something to offer and is a good squad player to have on the books. Crouchie is also in with a shout due to his sub appearances in the league, and a goal last night to boot, but he may not be suited to Man City away. I think the pace of Moses and Odemwingie is our best chance to get anything from the match. His performance last night was woeful. Only Odemwingie was poorer. In my opinion both Walters and Odemwingie have both served their purpose and are bench fodder at best. What?! Are you forgetting what Odemwingie did last season? He's only played a game and a half this season after being involved in a world cup. Give the guy a chance, 'bench fodder'? No way- he will again prove to have a massive impact thos season
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Post by steve66 on Aug 28, 2014 19:17:35 GMT
Really? Who was marking Jelavic at the back post? Who missed a 50;50 with Weimann? Begovic should have done better with both but Wilson could have stopped both! So Wilson was also the player who managed to play the ball across his own penalty area, that makes him some kind of superman surely? Three players dropped clangers for that villa goal, why make Wilson the only scapegoat? Bego should of dealt better with goal at hull and Bojan gave the ball away to huddlestone, again why make Wilson the scapegoat?
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