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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 12:31:30 GMT
I don't agree with the American obsession with the "right to bear arms". But even if I did, I can't imagine wanting a 9 year old child of mine to learn how to fire a fully automatic weapon. weird and tragic
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:41:51 GMT
Saw this this morning....the parents need shooting
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:42:03 GMT
I don't agree with the American obsession with the "right to bear arms". But even if I did, I can't imagine wanting a 9 year old child of mine to learn how to fire a fully automatic weapon. weird and tragicExactly so .....another example of the obsessive nature of the Americans in their love of the gun , it's hard to understand why the need to bear firearms is still part of the American psyche ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 12:44:00 GMT
Saw this this morning....the parents need shooting Tongue in cheek as usual ? ......Or perhaps I should re-phrase that question
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Post by Billybigbollox on Aug 27, 2014 12:45:56 GMT
Tragic story. Can't imagine why you would want any 9 year old handling firearms
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 12:57:39 GMT
there are a few Americans who post on here who will speak with more authority on this, but it has long been recognised that gun law needs to be modified in the US, but every successive government and president is reluctant to do so as it would be a very bad move in terms of public support. The gun lobbys are very powerful. Most citizens would see it as an infringement of civil liberty to remove second amendment allowing them to bear arms. It would take a really radical President to tackle this head on , perhaps towards the end of his second term who has nothing to lose. Most (in private) including obama express the opinion that the current laws are not fit for purpose and leave the uS open to tragedy but are powerless (or too afraid) to tackle it. Especially when foreign policy and the economy take priority Fair enough - I see the political problem. But I can't believe that the Right to Bear Arms means that an 8 year old (according to the bloke in the video) has the right to learn to shoot a sub machine gun or a 5 year old has the right to learn to shoot a single shot rifle. Those are just arbitrary age limits which have nothing to do with the right to bear arms. The law setting out those age limits could be changed tomorrow and the change would almost certainly attract majority public support.
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Post by marwood on Aug 27, 2014 13:07:50 GMT
I agree. far too young even on private property and if supervised by parents. Most americans would agree. Be useful to get some stateside potters views on this
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Post by Northy on Aug 27, 2014 13:14:12 GMT
Its not right to get somebody that young to fire a gun, the Americans need to sort their gun laws out. I've used an Uzi, a lightweight gun and rapid.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2014 14:11:40 GMT
I don't agree with the American obsession with the "right to bear arms". But even if I did, I can't imagine wanting a 9 year old child of mine to learn how to fire a fully automatic weapon. weird and tragicExactly so .....another example of the obsessive nature of the Americans in their love of the gun , it's hard to understand why the need to bear firearms is still part of the American psyche ? its written into their constitution 2nd amendment
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Post by salopstick on Aug 27, 2014 14:26:33 GMT
Exactly so .....another example of the obsessive nature of the Americans in their love of the gun , it's hard to understand why the need to bear firearms is still part of the American psyche ? its written into their constitution 2nd amendment correct they have a gun culture, what seems strange to us is perfectly normal to them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 14:46:17 GMT
its written into their constitution 2nd amendment correct they have a gun culture, what seems strange to us is perfectly normal to them. Yes, they have a gun culture - but I still fail to see why a child of that age is allowed to hold, let alone fire, a sub machine gun. Those who drafted the constitutional amendment giving them the right to bear arms would be as horrified as us at the thought that their amendment would be interpreted as giving the right of a child of 8 or 9 to fire a gun with a muzzle velocity of 350 metres per second and a rate of fire of 1,200 rounds per minute! That's 20 rounds per second ffs!
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2014 15:08:38 GMT
correct they have a gun culture, what seems strange to us is perfectly normal to them. Yes, they have a gun culture - but I still fail to see why a child of that age is allowed to hold, let alone fire, a sub machine gun. Those who drafted the constitutional amendment giving them the right to bear arms would be as horrified as us at the thought that their amendment would be interpreted as giving the right of a child of 8 or 9 to fire a gun with a muzzle velocity of 350 metres per second and a rate of fire of 1,200 rounds per minute! That's 20 rounds per second ffs! and their young people cant buy a beer until they turn 21 i suppose its considered harmful
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 27, 2014 15:12:12 GMT
Yes, they have a gun culture - but I still fail to see why a child of that age is allowed to hold, let alone fire, a sub machine gun. Those who drafted the constitutional amendment giving them the right to bear arms would be as horrified as us at the thought that their amendment would be interpreted as giving the right of a child of 8 or 9 to fire a gun with a muzzle velocity of 350 metres per second and a rate of fire of 1,200 rounds per minute! That's 20 rounds per second ffs! and their young people cant buy a beer until they turn 21 i suppose its considered harmful Yes, my dad often used to say that America's gun laws were one of the few things to make passive smoking seem like a good idea!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 15:34:09 GMT
Exactly so .....another example of the obsessive nature of the Americans in their love of the gun , it's hard to understand why the need to bear firearms is still part of the American psyche ? its written into their constitution 2nd amendment I know that mate ....it's hard to understand why though , America has been brought up with the gun , I suppose it's hard for them to live in any other way
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2014 15:51:33 GMT
its written into their constitution 2nd amendment I know that mate ....it's hard to understand why though , America has been brought up with the gun , I suppose it's hard for them to live in any other way the constitution was drafted in another age , as we dont have a written constitution our common law system is more relevant . the gun lobby/NRA is a powerful group with lots of support in congress
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Post by greenhoff74 on Aug 27, 2014 15:52:52 GMT
Don't something like 10,000 people die in America each year from guns, a few weeks ago 45 in one weekend died in Chicago. :-(
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 27, 2014 15:59:11 GMT
When I heard the news breaking this morning and they mentioned the name of the club...."Burgers 'n Bullets" ...I thought to myself that says it all really, the yank mentality regarding guns is in the dark ages.
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Post by harryburrows on Aug 27, 2014 16:04:58 GMT
i spent a lot of time in miami during the 80s a law was passed banning the carrying of concealed weapons , went to a shopping mall one day a hell of a lot of folks were wearing holsters outside there clothes with a pistol on show , very scary . the law was re-pealed within weeks
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Post by robstokie on Aug 27, 2014 21:38:09 GMT
America is one of the strangest countries in the world, some areas are amongst the most liberal and tolerant places you could find, yet middle America and the bible belt house some very backwards, whack-job individuals with the presence of the KKK, Execution of the mentally handicapped and a Staunch hatred of anyone or anything that is different or what doesn't support their views. And on top off all this, they let kiddies play with guns, yet don't let them purchase alcohol until they are 21. I just wonder HOW it is safer to allow youngsters to play with guns than have a skinful? I guess I will never know.
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Post by swampySCFC on Aug 27, 2014 21:43:18 GMT
Its not right to get somebody that young to fire a gun, the Americans need to sort their gun laws out. I've used an Uzi, a lightweight gun and rapid. Was that West Ham away???
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 23:55:20 GMT
Its not right to get somebody that young to fire a gun, the Americans need to sort their gun laws out. I've used an Uzi, a lightweight gun and rapid. It certainly did the trick, it cleared a path to the bar at the cricket club mate
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Post by Northy on Aug 28, 2014 7:07:40 GMT
Its not right to get somebody that young to fire a gun, the Americans need to sort their gun laws out. I've used an Uzi, a lightweight gun and rapid. Was that West Ham away??? Nah Miwwull
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Post by Linx on Aug 28, 2014 8:01:45 GMT
Was that West Ham away??? Nah Miwwull Sorry to correct you, northwich, but it's Miwwaw, not miwwall.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 28, 2014 9:20:07 GMT
Sorry to correct you, northwich, but it's Miwwaw, not miwwall. You are both correct, it all depends on how much respect you are giving to miwwull.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 13:36:23 GMT
America is one of the strangest countries in the world, some areas are amongst the most liberal and tolerant places you could find, yet middle America and the bible belt house some very backwards, whack-job individuals with the presence of the KKK, Execution of the mentally handicapped and a Staunch hatred of anyone or anything that is different or what doesn't support their views. And on top off all this, they let kiddies play with guns, yet don't let them purchase alcohol until they are 21. I just wonder HOW it is safer to allow youngsters to play with guns than have a skinful? I guess I will never know. makes sense to me....after all you wouldn't want an 8 year old running around with a gun when he's pissed up would you?
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