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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:18:05 GMT
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Post by stokie1997 on Aug 24, 2014 15:18:05 GMT
Drop him for the city game and play Arnie, odemwingie (st) & Moses. Odemwingie has the eye for goal and will take players on which Diouf doesn't seem to do, Moses will be a gamble but has done it for palace and Wigan and Arnie is just having a poor start to the season.....
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:19:06 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:19:06 GMT
If you pay peanuts and all that We have spent virtually nothing in the window yet we expect Diouf (and the other freebies) to be world beaters Unless we see a serious sum of money spent on a top striker then we are going to have to get goals from all over the park not just one man We could have spent £7m on a bloke called Diouf a year ago. Would that have made things better? We've spent plenty this summer, just not upfront.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:19:36 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:19:36 GMT
If you pay peanuts and all that We have spent virtually nothing in the window yet we expect Diouf (and the other freebies) to be world beaters Unless we see a serious sum of money spent on a top striker then we are going to have to get goals from all over the park not just one man What does a fee have to do with it? He could score 20 this season on a free, and a £10m striker scores 5 all season. It's not always a barometer of ability.
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 24, 2014 15:22:23 GMT
Did he ever play as a lone striker in the Bundesliga? The role does look a bit alien to him, and we seem to be wedded to the 4-2-3-1. So if it becomes clear he can't do it, not sure where we go with a 4-yr £60k(ish) deal tied up in him. We need to know the answer to this, because he's clearly not suited to a lone front man role .Actually, fuck trying to be balanced, because I'll go as far as to say that he looks dreadful. His record in Germany is the one bit of hope we need to cling to, he looks so hopeless. Some players you can tell have got some ability- Bojan isn't sharp yet but you can see he's got it- Diouf has the touch of a baby elephant and the physical presence of a fucking Barbie Doll. I was concerned after watching him for 90 minutes, I'm worried sick after watching him for 180. He looks like an even blacker Jon Walters, capable of running around lots behind a big man but not a lot else. Back to 4-4-1-1 and Pulisball to accommodate him? Or shall we just keep him as far away from the first team as possible? (The answer is the last one)
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:24:20 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 24, 2014 15:24:20 GMT
I'm willing give the lad time mate, perhaps we will need to shuffle the team around and give him someone to play off. However it may only be two games in but I think it's clear to see he doesn't fit this system. The same as it was clear to see Ireland and bojan should never be in the same team. Hopefully Hughes will see this and we learn I think he can adapt to the system. Not a prayer. I really, really hope I'm wrong.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:25:28 GMT
Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 24, 2014 15:25:28 GMT
If he doesn't score a goal every two games that's fine, but I haven't seen him do anything positive like manage a shot on frame in these two games either. I also remember when Bony had a difficult start to last season, but there were lots of positives in terms of him creating. Haven't seen it yet from Diouf. He's looking more like Van Wolfswinkel and Altidore at the minute.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:25:43 GMT
But we were prepared to spend money on him and his record in Germany would very much suggest he was that? Are we saying if we'd spent the £8m on him he'd be flying? He was just as much an educated punt as Bony was or Jordan Rhodes will be for Hull. I think Diouf will come good in the right system with the right players around him. I think those players will cost the small fortunes we dont have.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:26:37 GMT
Post by stokemark on Aug 24, 2014 15:26:37 GMT
If you pay peanuts and all that We have spent virtually nothing in the window yet we expect Diouf (and the other freebies) to be world beaters Unless we see a serious sum of money spent on a top striker then we are going to have to get goals from all over the park not just one man We could have spent £7m on a bloke called Diouf a year ago. Would that have made things better? We've spent plenty this summer, just not upfront. We have spent less than anyone in the premier League on transfer fees
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 24, 2014 15:28:16 GMT
I think he can adapt to the system. Not a prayer. I really, really hope I'm wrong. I think we should all calm down and not act as if this is Brek Shea we're talking about.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:28:21 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Aug 24, 2014 15:28:21 GMT
Just because other players started off shit in the past doesn't mean Diouf will come good. He was unbelievably garbage for United and Blackburn too, he ain't gonna cut it in this league I'm afraid. He played all of what, 7 games for united when he was young! Pisser!
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Post by stokemark on Aug 24, 2014 15:28:23 GMT
If you pay peanuts and all that We have spent virtually nothing in the window yet we expect Diouf (and the other freebies) to be world beaters Unless we see a serious sum of money spent on a top striker then we are going to have to get goals from all over the park not just one man What does a fee have to do with it? He could score 20 this season on a free, and a £10m striker scores 5 all season. It's not always a barometer of ability. A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:30:53 GMT
Post by fazza90 on Aug 24, 2014 15:30:53 GMT
I wonder if this thread would warrant 4 pages if the ref hadn't blown for a ridiculous free kick when Diouf was through one on one with a chance he created himself in about the 10th minute.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 24, 2014 15:31:14 GMT
What does a fee have to do with it? He could score 20 this season on a free, and a £10m striker scores 5 all season. It's not always a barometer of ability. A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website But we were prepared to pay a high fee for Diouf and a fine record abroad or in the champo guarantees nothing.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:33:32 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2014 15:33:32 GMT
I'm willing give the lad time mate, perhaps we will need to shuffle the team around and give him someone to play off. However it may only be two games in but I think it's clear to see he doesn't fit this system. The same as it was clear to see Ireland and bojan should never be in the same team. Hopefully Hughes will see this and we learn I think he can adapt to the system. What've you seen to offer encouragement, Rob? One thing you can't knock is his effort - but, blimey, I'm worried about him. His back-to-goal work looks to be nowhere near the standard we need. I'd be interested to know how he was deployed when he was scoring for fun in Germany. I can't believe it's anything like we're using him, and I can't see us changing it up any time soon
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:33:37 GMT
Post by Trouserdog on Aug 24, 2014 15:33:37 GMT
Not a prayer. I really, really hope I'm wrong. I think we should all calm down and not act as if this is Brek Shea we're talking about. Joking aside though, I haven't seen anything better from Diouf in 180 minutes of play than I did in Shea's inept cameo at Fulham. It was obvious in those few horrendous minutes at Craven Cottage that there was a man well out of his depth. Based on the evidence we've seen with our own eyes, Diouf looks almost as far away from being a Premier League players as dear old Brekky baby.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:39:49 GMT
Post by stokemark on Aug 24, 2014 15:39:49 GMT
A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website But we were prepared to pay a high fee for Diouf and a fine record abroad or in the champo guarantees nothing. £7m is no longer a 'high fee' £7m is a fee that guarantees nothing anymore I'm talking £12m plus and we will never spend that sort of money again. It's all a risk for clubs like Stoke and we have taken one with Diouf (and also Bojan). My point being is that people are expecting far too much in a league where football is played in a style that heavily relies on top quality goalscorers who come at a premium price.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:39:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:39:49 GMT
What does a fee have to do with it? He could score 20 this season on a free, and a £10m striker scores 5 all season. It's not always a barometer of ability. A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website If a world class player like Suarez lets his contract wind down, he's then available on a free. If we signed him on a free, would you be moaning that we should have spent £14m on Rhodes because spending money would guarantee you a better quality of player?
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 24, 2014 15:40:30 GMT
I think we should all calm down and not act as if this is Brek Shea we're talking about. Joking aside though, I haven't seen anything better from Diouf in 180 minutes of play than I did in Shea's inept cameo at Fulham. It was obvious in those few horrendous minutes at Craven Cottage that there was a man well out of his depth. Based on the evidence we've seen with our own eyes, Diouf looks almost as far away from being a Premier League players as dear old Brekky baby. I thought you were harsh on him last week. He worked hard, won loads in the air and nearly closed down Guzan for one. He started this one brightly and would've been in if he wasn't wrongly penalised. Then it all went horribly wrong for him. He does need to get involved and link the play more. As it stands I'm putting his poor touch down to nerves and confidence rather than general shitness until I have a good 5-10 games more evidence either way.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 24, 2014 15:42:03 GMT
But we were prepared to pay a high fee for Diouf and a fine record abroad or in the champo guarantees nothing. £7m is no longer a 'high fee' £7m is a fee that guarantees nothing anymore I'm talking £12m plus and we will never spend that sort of money again. It's all a risk for clubs like Stoke and we have taken one with Diouf (and also Bojan). My point being is that people are expecting far too much in a league where football is played in a style that heavily relies on top quality goalscorers who come at a premium price. So if we'd paid £12m for Diouf that would've sorted it? He could easily have commanded that kind of fee if his contract hadn't been running down. A big fee doesn't guarantee anything.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:42:20 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2014 15:42:20 GMT
There appear to be so many worrying things in his game that can't just be attributed to transition issues. A big concern.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:42:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:42:32 GMT
But we were prepared to pay a high fee for Diouf and a fine record abroad or in the champo guarantees nothing. £7m is no longer a 'high fee' £7m is a fee that guarantees nothing anymore I'm talking £12m plus and we will never spend that sort of money again. It's all a risk for clubs like Stoke and we have taken one with Diouf (and also Bojan). My point being is that people are expecting far too much in a league where football is played in a style that heavily relies on top quality goalscorers who come at a premium price. £7m was last year. Players like Rhodes or Long were sold for fees of around £6m or £7m. Football fee inflation means those players now cost you £12m to £14m. Are those two players twice as good as they were last year? The price you've paid is largely irrelevant.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:43:12 GMT
Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 24, 2014 15:43:12 GMT
Having been at the Brit for the villa match and seeing hull match at the pub, here is a perspective:
MAIN STRIKER ATTRIBUTES
1. Scores goals - no chance 2. Creates chances - no chance 3. Holds the ball up - no chance 4. Bullies the opposition - no chance 5. Aeriel ability - no chance 5. Accurate marksmanship - no chance 6. Skillfull in possession - no chance
Sorry Mame, you have one more go against Leicester, if you can't make it, then you're benched. Talk about Walters Mark II. The number of times you miscontrolled the ball trying to keep it in play was exasperating and that shite header that drifted wide when you had the whole goal to aim at - embarrassing mate.
Please buy Loic Remy - his release clause is 8m FFS
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:43:57 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 24, 2014 15:43:57 GMT
I think we should all calm down and not act as if this is Brek Shea we're talking about. Joking aside though, I haven't seen anything better from Diouf in 180 minutes of play than I did in Shea's inept cameo at Fulham. It was obvious in those few horrendous minutes at Craven Cottage that there was a man well out of his depth. Based on the evidence we've seen with our own eyes, Diouf looks almost as far away from being a Premier League players as dear old Brekky baby. Yep, sadly the clear whiff of competition winners about both of them.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:44:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:44:25 GMT
What does a fee have to do with it? He could score 20 this season on a free, and a £10m striker scores 5 all season. It's not always a barometer of ability. A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website so presumably sorro was shit for us for years as well then? And naismith has been shit for everton for the last year as well has he? #lesson number 133 for the patronising fuckers who don't realise how football transfers work
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:46:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:46:55 GMT
Having been at the Brit for the villa match and seeing hull match at the pub, here is a perspective: MAIN STRIKER ATTRIBUTES 1. Scores goals - no chance 2. Creates chances - no chance 3. Holds the ball up - no chance 4. Bullies the opposition - no chance 5. Aeriel ability - no chance 5. Accurate marksmanship - no chance 6. Skillfull in possession - no chance Sorry Mame, you have one more go against Leicester, if you can't make it, then you're benched. Talk about Walters Mark II. The number of times you miscontrolled the ball trying to keep it in play was exasperating and that shite header that drifted wide when you had the whole goal to aim at - embarrassing mate. Please buy Loic Remy - his release clause is 8m FFS 1) pretty sure you're not mark Hughes so you don't decide as and when players are benched 2) remy's release clause of 8 mill is specifically only for teams that are in the champs league Apart from that,cracking post.come again soon won't you?
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:47:08 GMT
Post by stokemark on Aug 24, 2014 15:47:08 GMT
A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website If a world class player like Suarez lets his contract wind down, he's then available on a free. If we signed him on a free, would you be moaning that we should have spent £14m on Rhodes because spending money would guarantee you a better quality of player? How many players at the peak of their game are allowed to run down their contracts and move on free's ? Ross McCormack and Shane Long have moved recently for a sum total of £23m - that's the reality of football and the value placed on goalscorers these days (agree with it or not)
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:47:18 GMT
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Post by Rastaman on Aug 24, 2014 15:47:18 GMT
A bit desperate but just looked Diouf's 5 best goals on YouTube. He is not hopeless. He has a touch. He hasn't shown it with us yet but we are clearly, on the admittedly limited evidence of some clip, not using his right. He wants to run onto through balls and can finish well. Far too soon to write him off the way some people are doing here.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:48:29 GMT
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Post by coates on Aug 24, 2014 15:48:29 GMT
A high fee usually means a player has a proven track record* *lesson number 132 for thick fuckers on this website so presumably sorro was shit for us for years as well then? And naismith has been shit for everton for the last year as well has he? #lesson number 133 for the patronising fuckers who don't realise how football transfers work Lewandowski??
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 15:49:05 GMT
Not an excuse here but an important point that people are forgetting is he was out injured in Germany for most of last season, so he's regaining his natural touch as well as re adjusting to a new league.
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Diouf
Aug 24, 2014 15:52:02 GMT
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Post by Rt Hon Reverend Luvpump on Aug 24, 2014 15:52:02 GMT
As I've said on other threads you've got to give the player time if you'd have asked me last season in the jan transfer widow I'd have got rid of Arnie and Whelan how wrong was I in the run in they were superb !
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