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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 22, 2014 0:06:26 GMT
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2014 5:41:53 GMT
Excellent - cheers for that.
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Post by dadofsam on Aug 22, 2014 8:05:18 GMT
Welcome to Battersea
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Post by nottspotter on Aug 22, 2014 8:29:32 GMT
Very good read. 1 typo spotted though:
"The likeable Everton boss raved about MARTINEZ in his DW Stadium days..."
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Post by nottinghamstokie on Aug 22, 2014 9:02:41 GMT
Good read, Wordpress ( on the e-mail of this article direct to my e-mail account ) refuses to let me log in to post a comment on there, so :
I really hope this works, deffo agree that potentially a much better buy than Assaidi / Redmond, but, worryingly, something in this career tale starts to sound suspiciously like..........Pennant
I really hope I'm wrong
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 22, 2014 9:22:20 GMT
Excellent write up; thanks for all the hard work.
I was very excited at this signing, but having read this article I'm a bit concerned about his form, fitness, commitment, and maturity. This is clearly a young man with a huge amount of talent, the question being is it going to blossom into an outstanding career. With his difficult background, it would not be surprising if there are parts of his make-up/character that still need developing for him to realize his potential.
I think it would be too soon to throw him straight into a match. I'd prefer to see MH pick Wingie and tell him to run himself out for 60 minutes, then bring on Moses as an impact player.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 22, 2014 9:47:21 GMT
'A dizzy Danny Pugh is still an inspirational Danny Pugh.'  Very worrying write up, errrm thanks for that!  As we attract better players we also attract more problem children, egos, I guess it's the price of 'success'! Hopefully he will get switched on and not be this seasons John Guidetti, Gudjohnsen, Owen...... |
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Aug 22, 2014 9:54:34 GMT
Another great signing. Offers everything we need and looks like the long term replacement for Wingie. But, the last time I thought we'd got such a perfect fit was Wilson Palacios, so best ignore my judgement.
Was it Moses who destroyed Danny Pugh that night I thought Warnock's Palace had derailed our promotion push, or was it (and whisper it), one Tom Soares? Scott Sinclair also played that night didn't he? If Palace could have kept that team together I think Colin would have got them promoted.
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Post by cousindupree on Aug 22, 2014 10:23:14 GMT
Thanks fr the write up an interesting insight. He scores goals is a bit of a myth though isnt it....around 1 in 8 in his league career.However out of a list of available wide men that includes Ince Redmond Assaidi Snodgrass etc I think he's a better choice. p.s love the Pearce ref to Mancienne,,,i see he now has him at Forest....he really has a thing for young Michael  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 10:43:46 GMT
I find interesting the bit about Arnie destroying Fulham when switched to the right. I' ve already mentioned on another post, that Arnie kept turning inside onto his right foot against Villa. As it's also mentioned that Victor Moses can play either wing, I'd be inclined to put Arnie on the right against Hull, and if Moses is going to be thrown in, play him on the left.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:06:39 GMT
That's an outstanding write up Rob, well researched too. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 22, 2014 11:07:45 GMT
I find interesting the bit about Arnie destroying Fulham when switched to the right. I' ve already mentioned on another post, that Arnie kept turning inside onto his right foot against Villa. As it's also mentioned that Victor Moses can play either wing, I'd be inclined to put Arnie on the right against Hull, and if Moses is going to be thrown in, play him on the left. That's interesting. I can understand why players like Assaidi play on the "wrong" wing as they are there as much to score as to put crosses over and playing on their wrong side allows them to cut in on their good foot. However, I never understand why Arnie seems to prefer to play on his wrong side as he is there more to create than to score goals. He's got such a poor shot that being able to cut in onto his good foot is not really of much advantage to him or to the team. Logically Arnie should be able to create just as much on the right as the left - or in the number 10 position if we are honest. |
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Post by stokiejoe on Aug 22, 2014 11:13:10 GMT
Hope there is an opportunity to bring him on at Hull, nothing like actual game time to improve fitness or reveal how much training is needed. Would be a good incentive for him.
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 22, 2014 12:03:21 GMT
Very good read. 1 typo spotted though: "The likeable Everton boss raved about MARTINEZ in his DW Stadium days..." I keep doing that. Thanks, changed it. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 22, 2014 12:28:33 GMT
Fantastic as ever Rob.
I'm not sure what your profession is, but if it's not sports journalism, I'd very much be considering a career change.
I really didn't know anything about the past of Moses. So tragic and I have nothing but admiration for his rise to fame.
I really do hope he is a success and I will be cheering him on with extra gusto when he does play.
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Post by onionman on Aug 22, 2014 13:35:03 GMT
I find interesting the bit about Arnie destroying Fulham when switched to the right. I' ve already mentioned on another post, that Arnie kept turning inside onto his right foot against Villa. As it's also mentioned that Victor Moses can play either wing, I'd be inclined to put Arnie on the right against Hull, and if Moses is going to be thrown in, play him on the left. That's interesting. I can understand why players like Assaidi play on the "wrong" wing as they are there as much to score as to put crosses over and playing on their wrong side allows them to cut in on their good foot. However, I never understand why Arnie seems to prefer to play on his wrong side as he is there more to create than to score goals. He's got such a poor shot that being able to cut in onto his good foot is not really of much advantage to him or to the team. Logically Arnie should be able to create just as much on the right as the left - or in the number 10 position if we are honest. He looks more comfortable on the left though. Is it something to do with the angle of attack? If he was on the right, he'd be heading towards the corner flag like an old-fashioned winger, but on the left he naturally attacks down the channel and can whip the ball across from an angle which is more difficult to defend. Good article, Rob, particularly the information about Moses' background. I'll stick my neck out here, and say Moses is the second most inspirational person in that whole article. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 22, 2014 13:56:45 GMT
Sounds like Hughes might chuck him in after all. SentinelVictor Moses... MH: There is a decision to be made. He hasn't had much football, 13 minutes in pre-season. But saying that he's looked really sharp in training, maybe the answer is to throw him in and see how he goes. MH: But it's important we get him at the right levels for the right games. |
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Post by onionman on Aug 22, 2014 14:16:44 GMT
The thing with Moses, even if he's not properly match fit or totally out of form, the opposition still has to cater for his pace out wide. In theory that should free up a bit of space for Arnie on the other side.
Villa were free to double mark Arnie, and crowd out Diouf, Bojan and Ireland in the middle.
Fair play to Hughes for keeping Bruce guessing. Not only do Hull have a couple of days less preparation time for this game due to the Europa, they also have two possible scenarios to prepare for: Stoke with a pacy right winger; and Stoke with everything going down the left and middle.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 22, 2014 15:01:33 GMT
Great read as ever Rob, a couple of questions however:
"Predictably though, he found his first team chances limited at Stamford Bridge, and despite a respectable 10 goals in his debut season (including a Champions League goal and two in the Europa League semi-final), he was eager for more regular football. A loan move to Liverpool seemed a perfect fit"
He did indeed struggle to get much pitch time in his first couple of months at Chelsea, however once Benitez arrived, he made 43 appearances between the November and the April, scoring ten times and creating four assists.
43 appearances in 6 months with a damn fine offensive record to boot is nothing to be sniffed at.
Do we assume that had Mourniho not turned up the following summer then there wouldn't have been much reason for Moses to go out on loan, it was more a case of Mourniho simply not fancying him, like he didn't fancy Lukaku?
You seem quite critical of his inability to break into the Liverpool side but to be fair, Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge were absolutely on fire all season and all three of them remained injury free - it would have took some incredibly special player to have dislodged any one of that trio last term surely?
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Post by 58Potter on Aug 22, 2014 15:08:02 GMT
Hope there is an opportunity to bring him on at Hull, nothing like actual game time to improve fitness or reveal how much training is needed. Would be a good incentive for him. I hope that we do see him on the pitch at some point on Sunday, a real game changer on his day with a point to prove. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 22, 2014 15:33:12 GMT
Great read as ever Rob, a couple of questions however:
"Predictably though, he found his first team chances limited at Stamford Bridge, and despite a respectable 10 goals in his debut season (including a Champions League goal and two in the Europa League semi-final), he was eager for more regular football. A loan move to Liverpool seemed a perfect fit"
He did indeed struggle to get much pitch time in his first couple of months at Chelsea, however once Benitez arrived, he made 43 appearances between the November and the April, scoring ten times and creating four assists.
43 appearances in 6 months with a damn fine offensive record to boot is nothing to be sniffed at.
Do we assume that had Mourniho not turned up the following summer then there wouldn't have been much reason for Moses to go out on loan, it was more a case of Mourniho simply not fancying him, like he didn't fancy Lukaku?
You seem quite critical of his inability to break into the Liverpool side but to be fair, Suarez, Sterling and Sturridge were absolutely on fire all season and all three of them remained injury free - it would have took some incredibly special player to have dislodged any one of that trio last term surely?
Cheers Paul. I guess he did play a fair bit that season taking into account all the cup games played, though league starts have always seemed quite hard to come by for him. When he arrived though at Liverpool Sterling hadn't caught on fire yet - and wasn't enormously expected to in the way he did - that slot was there for the taking, and Moses for whatever reason didn't do enough to take it. Even off the bench he didn't make an impact, and as the season went on they really needed someone to take the pressure off those three. Their fans haven't got much good to say about him. I always liked Moses as a player and think if he can get his fitness up he should do very well for us, but it would have been remiss of me not to mention that in the interests of balance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 18:21:38 GMT
Moses has never been a goalscorer and it is up to Hughes to get the balance of VM, PO and MA right because if he doesn't there will be a massive weight of pressure on Diouf.
For me its got to be one of VM or MA with PO to get the pace or creativity balance right with goal threat.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 22, 2014 20:03:43 GMT
Excellent thanks
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Post by surreystokie on Aug 22, 2014 21:08:34 GMT
Thanks for your usual in-depth analysis, CD.
It will be interesting to see how he turns out, but nothing to lose and the hope that the talent he undoubtedly possesses, as we discovered to our surprise, several seasons ago, will again manifest itself.
I had no idea of his past, however. Victor is yet another one who makes me mad with the talented layabouts (like David Bentley who retired recently) who have had no such horrors in their early lives and I congratulate him and wish him well, in having seemingly overcome them.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 23, 2014 17:46:35 GMT
Great read, I've really appreciated your 'New Boys' features. Cheers. I hope they stay bouyant at the top of the board, and don't get lost amongst the flotsam and jetsom. I'd like to see them anchored together in a cluster somehow. All together like. {Don't know why I've gone nautical.} I'm looking forward to seeing how the players turn out and checking the threads {inc. other folks' comments} throughout the next few months. There's 450 plus players in the Prem, {thousands across the World} and since I don't collect football cards nor Figurini Pannini stickers no more, and my brain is often addled by the weather and Henry Weston's it's difficult to keep up. I'm pretty crap at intermerwebbing too. Those introductions are great. I can impress/bore folk in the boozer. Photo captions are mint too. |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 23, 2014 17:50:12 GMT
Great read, I've really appreciated your 'New Boys' features. Cheers. I hope they stay bouyant at the top of the board, and don't get lost amongst the flotsam and jetsom. I'd like to see them anchored together in a cluster somehow. All together like. {Don't know why I've gone nautical.} I'm looking forward to seeing how the players turn out and checking the threads {inc. other folks' comments} throughout the next few months. There's 450 plus players in the Prem, {thousands across the World} and since I don't collect football cards nor Figurini Pannini stickers no more, and my brain is often addled by the weather and Henry Weston's it's difficult to keep up. I'm pretty crap at intermerwebbing too. Those introductions are great. I can impress/bore folk in the boozer. Photo captions are mint too. Cheers cheese, that's very kind mate. |
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 23, 2014 19:26:48 GMT
Hasn't travelled according to SL & P.
Bit disappointing if true.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 23, 2014 19:39:18 GMT
Bit odd based on Hughes' comments about him looking sharp, especially as all you'd be looknig for from him was 20 minutes from the bench.
But Hughes seems very sports science-oriented and wants the players at a certain point physically before he exposes them to the pace of a Premier League game.
Wingie to start then you'd think, which is fair enough.
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Post by jaybee on Aug 23, 2014 19:49:22 GMT
Good stuff as always, but .... <<The likeable Everton boss>> What's 'likeable' about him  Anyone who prattles on about 'entertaining football, played the right way' is a PITA IMHO |
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Post by chiefdelilah on Aug 23, 2014 20:09:40 GMT
Good stuff as always, but .... <<The likeable Everton boss>> What's 'likeable' about him Anyone who prattles on about 'entertaining football, played the right way' is a PITA IMHO He seems like a decent bloke to me. Think he's overrated as a manager but speaks very well. |
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As we attract better players we also attract more problem children, egos, I guess it's the price of 'success'! Hopefully he will get switched on and not be this seasons John Guidetti, Gudjohnsen, Owen......
