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Post by cpnoatcake on Aug 20, 2014 10:21:27 GMT
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Post by thebet365 on Aug 20, 2014 10:24:23 GMT
Stickers ???
It might reduce the amount of times a fan stands up during a match but it won't stop em at the crucial times like goals, or near misses.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 10:29:32 GMT
I can't see it working either. I'm sure fans will remain seated for most of the game - but then they do that anyway. At times of excitement when a player is bearing down on goal I have my doubts as to whether they will have time to remember that there is a sticker on their seat. The other thing is, why does the story say the stewards will put stickers on the seats before every game? Why not just leave the stickers on those seats where a standing fan would block a disabled supporter's view? I hope this "initiative" is not used as an excuse to ignore the need for a proper solution to the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 10:33:45 GMT
Raise the disabled platforms? Or would this be too costly/block out advertisements?
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Post by brudda on Aug 20, 2014 10:35:04 GMT
Of course it won't work. It may make people think about standing the first time they see it but after that it'll be forgotten.
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Post by mcf on Aug 20, 2014 10:36:13 GMT
stickers?
what a load of fucking wank
i'm amazed that supporters groups have backed this - are they definitely of sound mind?
fucking stickers? April 1st stuff is this bollocks
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 20, 2014 10:37:22 GMT
Raise the disabled platforms? Or would this be too costly/ block out advertisements? Sadly its probably this one.
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Post by adiebunn on Aug 20, 2014 10:37:32 GMT
I have my seats in block 12 and I am pretty sure that the disabled sections are to the left and right when you come out of the entrance into the ground and are located in front of the wall to the next higher section. Could these floors not be raised with a ramp so that the area is high enough to see if people in front stand but low enough not to get in the way of the people behind ? Think someone above was thinking the same solution at the same time as me
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Aug 20, 2014 10:40:35 GMT
Probably the worst designed stadium in the country that was built after the 1990's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 10:46:07 GMT
Stickers??
Why have the fans representatives taken this as a 'compromise'?
It's a few bits of sticky paper.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 10:48:38 GMT
stickers? what a load of fucking wank i'm amazed that supporters groups have backed this - are they definitely of sound mind? fucking stickers? April 1st stuff is this bollocks token gesture to pay lip service to over 300 people who wanted something to be done. absolutely ridiculous "Oooh i always used to stand up and block those in wheelchairs before, i simply CAN'T do that now though, there's a sticker on my seat and everything" it's more embarrassing than if they'd done nothing at all. come on Stoke, you can do better than this surely?????
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Post by StokieMatt on Aug 20, 2014 10:49:09 GMT
Few suggestions. A lift to the roof and go on there but it would be bit shit in winter. Put them on the running track?
Or maybe when we fill in the corner we design it properly?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 20, 2014 11:01:04 GMT
Few suggestions. A lift to the roof and go on there but it would be bit shit in winter. Put them on the running track? Or maybe when we fill in the corner we design it properly? I agree with this, if and when they do fill the corner in they should design it with a proper area for the disabled. Can't see this sticker idea making much difference to be honest.
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 20, 2014 11:02:06 GMT
The problem generates from the front few rows and the filters back to the rows in front of the disabled supporters, so are the stickers going to be placed on row 1 upwards? I very much doubt it, so the problem will persist as those in front of the disabled areas will need to stand at certain moments as those in front of them will be standing.
The solution is simple surely, just raise the platform by an extra few feet....or am I missing something here?
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2014 11:06:00 GMT
Stickers ??? It might reduce the amount of times a fan stands up during a match but it won't stop em at the crucial times like goals, or near misses. I think that is the first problem. In order to work it needs to eliminate standing completely, 100% of the time. It's no good saying to the fans on the platforms that they can see the large majority of the game, but not the most exciting bits. The second problem is that those blocking the view from the platforms are at the rear of their stand, and in many cases may only be standing because those in front of them are standing, and so on. The stickers would need to go down as far as the start of the problem, which might even be the front of the stand, where the link with the view from the disability platform may feel very remote. I wish the initiative well, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it solves the problem. I think it is likely to require a physical solution, such as a ramp to a raised platform. If this really is not technically feasible (cost should definitely not be an issue for a Premier League club) then the only answer, as a last resort, might be to net off seats in front of the platforms and relocate those who sit there. This would, very understandably, be very unpopular with those who require relocation, so I would think they should be compensated by a full refund of the cost of their season tickets, and probably free season tickets for a season or two beyond this one, as well as top priority for choosing seats for next and future seasons.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 20, 2014 11:08:55 GMT
Put seatbelts on!
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Aug 20, 2014 11:09:54 GMT
Remain seated during goals?
Fuck off.
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Post by Davef on Aug 20, 2014 11:13:23 GMT
Few suggestions. A lift to the roof and go on there but it would be bit shit in winter. Put them on the running track? Or maybe when we fill in the corner we design it properly? I agree with this, if and when they do fill the corner in they should design it with a proper area for the disabled. Can't see this sticker idea making much difference to be honest. I really don't agree with that mate. Although the view would be better, it would mean our disabled supporters would have no choice as to where they watch the game. The situation should have been sorted years ago, or better still, when the stadium was first built. And whoever was responsible for the planning and short-sightedness of the disabled sections in the ground wants a bullet to the rear.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Aug 20, 2014 11:14:41 GMT
What a totally shit idea. Embarrassing that the "Supporters Council" backed this as well.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 20, 2014 11:17:18 GMT
I agree with this, if and when they do fill the corner in they should design it with a proper area for the disabled. Can't see this sticker idea making much difference to be honest. I really don't agree with that mate. Although the view would be better, it would mean our disabled supporters would have no choice as to where they watch the game. The situation should have been sorted years ago, or better still, when the stadium was first built. And whoever was responsible for the planning and short-sightedness of the disabled sections in the ground wants a bullet to the rear. I did think about that aspect of it but if the disabled sections that are already in place were still there then at least they would have that choice, I certainly didn't mean for them all to be 'herded' somewhere.
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Post by stokeypieman on Aug 20, 2014 11:19:56 GMT
Stickers wont work, you wont think "I've got a sticker on my seat" when Bojan is about to score. Easy solution, At Stamford Bridge I am sure I saw disabled people around the ground, some people have called this the running track, then put seats in the existing disabled areas to increase revenue, these could have more leg room. Put a proper disabled entrance in the corner of the Boothen end where the scaffold tower with the sky commentry box is. The amount of advertising space covered up by the fans sitting in front of them could be moved to above the score board area obliterating the view of the scroungers who stand on the road watching the match for free.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Aug 20, 2014 11:35:50 GMT
I agree with this, if and when they do fill the corner in they should design it with a proper area for the disabled. Can't see this sticker idea making much difference to be honest. I really don't agree with that mate. Although the view would be better, it would mean our disabled supporters would have no choice as to where they watch the game. The situation should have been sorted years ago, or better still, when the stadium was first built. And whoever was responsible for the planning and short-sightedness of the disabled sections in the ground wants a bullet to the rear. I agree. The fact that our disability platforms are spread throughout the ground, and that they are at the same level as the entry points is a good design feature of the ground. Unfortunately it also had an architectural design fault that made the patently unrealistic assumption that those in the seats in front of the platforms would remain seated for 100% of the time. But we are where we are, and blaming the architects and project clients of the time, whilst perhaps justified, doesn't help find a solution. But in looking for one, it would be a very retrograde step IMHO to locate all disabled fans in a dedicated stand or to ask them to be at pitch level.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Aug 20, 2014 11:36:37 GMT
If we score a last minute winner against a top club, like Assaidi against Chelsea last season, will any fan with a sticker in front of their seat not get up because of a sticker?
Course they won't because it's fucking football and people naturally get off their seats and celebrate.
Is this honestly the best Stoke, the Supporters Council and any other fan clubs could think of?
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Post by mrcholmondleywarner on Aug 20, 2014 11:43:35 GMT
Fuck the stickers!
The Club just need to get the corner infill built and provide the necessary types of viewing facilities to accommodate all disabled fans properly, with lifts and suchlike.
We could also do with e few extra seats besides!
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Post by stokemark on Aug 20, 2014 11:44:33 GMT
I honestly dont think I have ever hear a more pathetic 'solution' to a major problem
So do we put stickers on the seats in front of the rows of seat in front of the seats with stickers then (carry on ad nauseam)
I dont have a solution but this is shit
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Post by Pugsley on Aug 20, 2014 11:47:38 GMT
They want us the sit and clap when we score? Right then. Just how sanitised do people want football to become.
To be honest, after this latest embarrassing shambles, the Supporters Council should be scrapped. All credibility has gone.
I've said all along that the people running the club are a bunch of lazy arsed individuals. Point proven with this.
I love this line - "No one from Stoke City was available for comment" - they are all to busy pissing themselves.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 20, 2014 11:48:02 GMT
The problem generates from the front few rows and the filters back to the rows in front of the disabled supporters, so are the stickers going to be placed on row 1 upwards? I very much doubt it, so the problem will persist as those in front of the disabled areas will need to stand at certain moments as those in front of them will be standing. The solution is simple surely, just raise the platform by an extra few feet....or am I missing something here? Raising the height of the platform would enable the wheelchair occupants to see. However, there would be health and safety implications and I am not sure if the space would allow for a design which would actually comply with the law. Of course, we should know the answer to your question already as the club have had 15 years to find out what physical alterations would and would not comply with health and safety laws. That they have not asked those questions before shows how little concern they show for their disabled fans.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 20, 2014 11:51:39 GMT
The only way it would work was if the stickers were double sided !
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Post by Gods on Aug 20, 2014 11:53:53 GMT
2 questions
1)Is the Brit the only ground with this problem? If not what, if anything, have other clubs done to address it?
2)How many disabled fans are we talking about here affected? Just curious as to how many folks we would have to accommodate in any kind of "Plan B" if there were one.
I guess if this is just a workaround to get us through the remaining 18 home games of this season to the summer when some serious work can take place then perhaps it is just about worth a try.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 11:54:52 GMT
Anything is better than nothing, but this is as near to nothing as you can get.
It also doesn't give disabled supporters the full matchday experience anyway. If we assume supporters will remain seated until the ball hits the back of the net (and we all know that won't happen), what about the goal celebrations on the pitch, or in my case, spending the first 10 seconds checking the ref hasn't disallowed it, or after the match when the players celebrate (hopefully) and applaud the supporters. These might seem small things, but I'll guarantee that if they were taken away from us, our enjoyment would be the less for it.
I've no idea of cost, and I'm sure the owners must get peed off from time to time at how easily supporters would have them spend their money. But surely when we're paying players £50k every week, the cost to rectify the matter fully and properly by raising the platforms or finding/building a better area would be comparatively nominal.
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