|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 6:35:28 GMT
via mobile
Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 26, 2014 6:35:28 GMT
Selling Cameron would be madness younger than the unproven bardsley , and more versatile and a regular in our record breaking team
|
|
|
Post by apb1 on Aug 26, 2014 7:41:05 GMT
Bardsley seems to get forward well, then balls it up. Even when he hit the post it was a kind of mishit... I prefer Geoff, but there is time for Bardo to gel.
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 7:45:39 GMT
via mobile
Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 26, 2014 7:45:39 GMT
Selling Cameron would be madness younger than the unproven bardsley , and more versatile and a regular in our record breaking team Even Talksport have just mentioned a host of teams interested in Cameron. I'd stick him in midfield. No way would I sell him, I think he is a decent player and it seems many agree.
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 7:54:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 7:54:50 GMT
A lot of people on this board like to dismiss Geoff as a very poor player and an awful right full back. And yet there is interest in him from a whole host of PL teams plus Lazio and Stuttgart. Would these same teams entertain the sane interest if we had to offer them the extremely talented local boy club hero Andy wilkinson ? Funny that. Remember, the Oatcake is always right...
|
|
|
Post by cheadlestokie on Aug 26, 2014 7:56:27 GMT
Selling Cameron would so weaken the squad.I cannot understand even contemplating it.
|
|
|
Post by dirtygary69 on Aug 26, 2014 7:58:26 GMT
Well, there's been no improvement on him based on performances so far. Wouldn't sell him unless we had somebody more capable lined up.
|
|
|
Post by infullerwetrust on Aug 26, 2014 8:39:33 GMT
Would only sell Geoff if we replaced him with Micah Richards and had Bardsley as back-up.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2014 8:59:11 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ?
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 9:18:00 GMT
via mobile
Post by keasie1863 on Aug 26, 2014 9:18:00 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ? Instead of "fight for my place,fuck that,I'm off"
|
|
|
Post by slpmarc on Aug 26, 2014 9:32:19 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ? Instead of "fight for my place,fuck that,I'm off" Depends if the manager see his place as RB or midfield. Would you fight for a job you don't want
|
|
|
Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 26, 2014 9:37:05 GMT
I thought we missed Geoff on Sunday and his ability to get up and down the pitch quickly would have been a real positive against the 10 men. He's not the best positionlly but when we need to break a team down like we did against Hull's 10 men him and Odemwingie are a good combination.
I can understand if we want to claw some money back but so far, I'm not convinced Bardsley is a better option than Cameron. Geoff's sheer athleticism gives us something that we can otherwise lack. The slow build ups and sideways passing would benefit from Geoff carrying the ball forward at a decent speed. Despite his limitations we would miss him IMHO.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 9:42:47 GMT
I would be more impressed with Geoff if he had said 'I look forward to regaining my place'. After all, it should not be too hard to get back into our team right now should it ? Instead of "fight for my place,fuck that,I'm off" Has Geoff even said that? Some random no-mark news source in the USA claims he's requested a transfer and you just believe it like a dog following a treat... Cameron's agent has already come out and denied he's put in a transfer request, so I think we can probably assume he hasn't said anything of the sort. Cameron comes across a model professional, I doubt he would handle his dissatisfaction in such a way... unlike N'Zonzi who STILL gets far less stick on here (none at all in fact). It's just funny how Premiership teams and Serie A teams are queueing up to sign him yet the Oatcake transfer nerds are so certain what a pile of shit he is. I guess all those actually working for these clubs are fucking numpties eh? Anyway, he'll probably start tomorrow so it's a good chance for him to try and regain his place against a significantly weaker team.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2014 9:45:10 GMT
I thought we missed Geoff on Sunday and his ability to get up and down the pitch quickly would have been a real positive against the 10 men. He's not the best positionlly but when we need to break a team down like we did against Hull's 10 men him and Odemwingie are a good combination. I can understand if we want to claw some money back but so far, I'm not convinced Bardsley is a better option than Cameron. Geoff's sheer athleticism gives us something that we can otherwise lack. The slow build ups and sideways passing would benefit from Geoff carrying the ball forward at a decent speed. Despite his limitations we would miss him IMHO. I'll admit I was sceptical about Bardsley from the off - but I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Cameron. But defence is not a position where managers like to rotate much as they seem to be looking for a settled group there. Hughes clearly felt Bardsley was an upgrade, so it'll be a while before he's prepared to give Cameron a run and Bardsley will effectively have to play his way out. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out over the next week, transfer-wise. I think there's enough noise out there to suggest Cameron is very open to moving - and if there are some attractive possibilities on the table, he'll be keen to explore them, you'd think.
|
|
|
Post by madpotter on Aug 26, 2014 9:48:24 GMT
For me he should be in midfield with N'zonzi, think they would compliment each other well, both can tackle and pass with power and pace.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 9:51:25 GMT
I thought we missed Geoff on Sunday and his ability to get up and down the pitch quickly would have been a real positive against the 10 men. He's not the best positionlly but when we need to break a team down like we did against Hull's 10 men him and Odemwingie are a good combination. I can understand if we want to claw some money back but so far, I'm not convinced Bardsley is a better option than Cameron. Geoff's sheer athleticism gives us something that we can otherwise lack. The slow build ups and sideways passing would benefit from Geoff carrying the ball forward at a decent speed. Despite his limitations we would miss him IMHO. I'll admit I was sceptical about Bardsley from the off - but I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Cameron. But defence is not a position where managers like to rotate much as they seem to be looking for a settled group there. Hughes clearly felt Bardsley was an upgrade, so it'll be a while before he's prepared to give Cameron a run and Bardsley will effectively have to play his way out. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out over the next week, transfer-wise. I think there's enough noise out there to suggest Cameron is very open to moving - and if there are some attractive possibilities on the table, he'll be keen to explore them, you'd think. The problem Hughes has is now is the time to change if he wants to. Two games into the season, players still finding their feet, you could whip Bardsley out and find out how introducing Geoff changes a system. Give it a few more games, and it'll settle and then doing so will be much harder. Does Hughes stick or twist? I'm in no doubt that Geoff will start tomorrow. A good chance to gain some needed fitness and also impress. I don't see him playing against Citeh but if Bardsley has a mare, Hughes might think about giving him a go against Leicester. The problem is, the transfer window will be closed by then... I think he's maybe got himself into a pickle about how to handle this. It would be unfair to introduce Geoff against Man City if his fitness is still a bit hit and miss and he hasn't played a game. That said, he's maybe put his eggs in one basket and it hasn't paid off... yet.
|
|
|
Post by slpmarc on Aug 26, 2014 9:58:23 GMT
I thought we missed Geoff on Sunday and his ability to get up and down the pitch quickly would have been a real positive against the 10 men. He's not the best positionlly but when we need to break a team down like we did against Hull's 10 men him and Odemwingie are a good combination. I can understand if we want to claw some money back but so far, I'm not convinced Bardsley is a better option than Cameron. Geoff's sheer athleticism gives us something that we can otherwise lack. The slow build ups and sideways passing would benefit from Geoff carrying the ball forward at a decent speed. Despite his limitations we would miss him IMHO. I'll admit I was sceptical about Bardsley from the off - but I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Cameron. But defence is not a position where managers like to rotate much as they seem to be looking for a settled group there. Hughes clearly felt Bardsley was an upgrade, so it'll be a while before he's prepared to give Cameron a run and Bardsley will effectively have to play his way out. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out over the next week, transfer-wise. I think there's enough noise out there to suggest Cameron is very open to moving - and if there are some attractive possibilities on the table, he'll be keen to explore them, you'd think. Geoff just wants to play, and if he is given the opportunity to fight for a midfield place he wants then I think he would stay, but if all he is doing is fighting for a RB spot I would assume a club that would offer him the chance at playing midfield would look very attractive to him.
|
|
|
Post by itsmorethanagame on Aug 26, 2014 9:59:00 GMT
I thought we missed Geoff on Sunday and his ability to get up and down the pitch quickly would have been a real positive against the 10 men. He's not the best positionlly but when we need to break a team down like we did against Hull's 10 men him and Odemwingie are a good combination. I can understand if we want to claw some money back but so far, I'm not convinced Bardsley is a better option than Cameron. Geoff's sheer athleticism gives us something that we can otherwise lack. The slow build ups and sideways passing would benefit from Geoff carrying the ball forward at a decent speed. Despite his limitations we would miss him IMHO. I'll admit I was sceptical about Bardsley from the off - but I've seen nothing to suggest he's better than Cameron. But defence is not a position where managers like to rotate much as they seem to be looking for a settled group there. Hughes clearly felt Bardsley was an upgrade, so it'll be a while before he's prepared to give Cameron a run and Bardsley will effectively have to play his way out. Going to be interesting to see how it plays out over the next week, transfer-wise. I think there's enough noise out there to suggest Cameron is very open to moving - and if there are some attractive possibilities on the table, he'll be keen to explore them, you'd think. By purchasing Bardsley and giving Wilko another year, Hughes has effectively escorted Cameron to the exit door hasn't he? If we had released Wilko and signed Bardsley instead it would have improved the squad. But replacing Geoff for Bardsley is arguably a sideways move at best considering Cameron's flexibility.
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 10:06:32 GMT
via mobile
Post by stokie1130 on Aug 26, 2014 10:06:32 GMT
Cant understand why MH doesn't rate him, but in Hughes we trust
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 26, 2014 10:33:55 GMT
What's with the shock, this has been on the cards since about March!
|
|
|
Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2014 10:50:11 GMT
Get rid and get a top player in by using the money towards it!
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 10:58:26 GMT
Get rid and get a top player in by using the money towards it! I like the idea, but which top player are you thinking of? Dani Alves? Pablo Zabaleta? Sergio Ramos? I'm sorry, but while I'd love to see a top top full back here, we're in no position to sign one. Why do you think we've signed Phil Bardsley?
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2014 11:02:54 GMT
Which spots could he realistically compete for in midfield?
Whelan's?
I can't really see Hughes leaving N'Zonzi on the bench for him in pretty much any circumstances. And you've also got Sidwell (who hasn't come, on a big wage, to be a fixture on the bench) and Adam (still just about in the shake-up for a deeper role, on about 40k-a-week and chomping at the bit for starts) competing for a role in the 2.
Geoff's nice to have around - but when it comes to sticking your neck on the line and finding him a starting role anywhere but RB, it does get a bit fiddly.
There's only Hughes who knows where all these players stand in his thoughts, in terms of what, last season, were seen as the 'Whelan role', the N'Zonzi role' and the 'Ireland role'.
But it's hard to see a space opening up for Geoff, in terms of getting a few starts there - unless injuries intervene, and you can't really predict that.
Whelan *Sidwell *Cameron *N'Zonzi ---- N'Zonzi *Sidwell *Cameron *Adam ---- *Ireland Bojan Adam
|
|
|
Post by pedro23 on Aug 26, 2014 11:06:37 GMT
At the moment the way the team are playing, I would say take your pick, could he do any worse?
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 11:07:44 GMT
via mobile
Post by Olgrligm on Aug 26, 2014 11:07:44 GMT
It would be interesting to see if they intend to use him as a centre back, centre midfielder, right back or left back.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 26, 2014 11:08:22 GMT
At the moment the way the team are playing, I would say take your pick, could he do any worse? I'd agree - based solely on the two shambolic games we've seen so far. But it'd be harsh to tear everything up on the basis of that, wouldn't it?
|
|
|
Geoffrey
Aug 26, 2014 11:10:43 GMT
via mobile
Post by werrington on Aug 26, 2014 11:10:43 GMT
At the moment the way the team are playing, I would say take your pick, could he do any worse? I'd agree - based solely on the two shambolic games we've seen so far. But it'd be harsh to tear everything up on the basis of that, wouldn't it? Shambolic......surely you mean poor ? 0-1 and an away 1-1 is surely not Shambolic !!
|
|
|
Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2014 11:10:55 GMT
Get rid and get a top player in by using the money towards it! I like the idea, but which top player are you thinking of? Dani Alves? Pablo Zabaleta? Sergio Ramos? I'm sorry, but while I'd love to see a top top full back here, we're in no position to sign one. Why do you think we've signed Phil Bardsley? Does not have to be a replacement. I want Yarmalenko.
|
|
|
Post by metalhead on Aug 26, 2014 11:12:25 GMT
I like the idea, but which top player are you thinking of? Dani Alves? Pablo Zabaleta? Sergio Ramos? I'm sorry, but while I'd love to see a top top full back here, we're in no position to sign one. Why do you think we've signed Phil Bardsley? Does not have to be a replacement. I want Yarmalenko. And he's a top player...?
|
|
|
Post by madpotter on Aug 26, 2014 11:12:51 GMT
Would have him in the Whelan role just due to his athleticism, him and N'zonzi are the two who have the ability to recover the ball quickly, which in the system with risk taking players like Ireland, Bojan and Arnie is key.
|
|
|
Post by nott1 on Aug 26, 2014 11:16:27 GMT
Does not have to be a replacement. I want Yarmalenko. And he's a top player...? Better than we have!
|
|