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Post by potterpaul on Sept 24, 2014 6:00:16 GMT
I haven't watched the game so a question for those that did.
This is the first game that Ireland and Adam have started the game in the same team, as far as I can recall any way.
Can the poor performance of Ireland be pinned on this factor? As many on here seem to think it can't work and I have always said there is no proof that it couldn't.
Preferably replies to this from posters without agendas(hate that word) to either player.
Cheers
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Post by borat on Sept 24, 2014 18:27:46 GMT
My god he was poor last night, apart from him and Arnie everybody played well. I've never understood why people choose Ireland in the starting 11, he was ok last season and that's it. He'd struggle get on my bench nevermind the first team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:34:30 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form.
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Post by apb1 on Sept 24, 2014 18:41:24 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. Would it be wrong to ask who should make way?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:43:20 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. Would it be wrong to ask who should make way? You mate, not at all. The answer is nobody, just like Arnie.
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Post by fca47 on Sept 24, 2014 18:44:16 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. Somebody playing well should drop out for someone who isn't, that's the way to win games.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 18:45:04 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. Somebody playing well should drop out for someone who isn't, that's the way to win games. I agree mate. I aint getting into this again.
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Sept 24, 2014 18:55:18 GMT
One newspaper report I read said Ireland showed his class and was at the centre of all Stokes best attacks. On the Sunderland board one guy was impressed with Arnie and said he bullied there full back. Different opinions or what !
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Post by tcdobinghoff on Sept 24, 2014 18:55:50 GMT
"their"
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 24, 2014 19:03:41 GMT
Arnie and Ireland are, on form, very good players. Ireland is coming back from injury and Arnie is carrying a knock and seems out of sorts mentally. Neither are worth a spot in the first XI currently, but both will come good again and play vital roles in the squad in the season as a whole.
Why is a player either the Next Coming or monstrously awful to so many Stokies? Anyone who has played themselves (in any sport really, not just football) or watched a good many Stoke games (without an agenda), knows that sportsmen have good and bad patches, sometimes with no logic as to whys and wherefores, and that you need to get your head down, work hard and stay fit and positive, and the good times will probably come round again.
The season is a marathon, not a sprint, and at some stage both of these players will prove invaluable to us.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2014 19:04:54 GMT
Arnie and Ireland are, on form, very good players. Ireland is coming back from injury and Arnie is carrying a knock and seems out of sorts mentally. Neither are worth a spot in the first XI currently, but both will come good again and play vital roles in the squad in the season as a whole. Why is a player either the Next Coming or monstrously awful to so many Stokies? Anyone who has played themselves (in any sport really, not just football) or watched a good many Stoke games (without an agenda), knows that sportsmen have good and bad patches, sometimes with no logic as to whys and wherefores, and that you need to get your head down, work hard and stay fit and positive, and the good times will probably come round again. The season is a marathon, not a sprint, and at some stage both of these players will prove invaluable to us. Correct. Too many are far too quick to write people off.
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Post by foxysgloves on Sept 24, 2014 19:11:39 GMT
Arnie and Ireland are, on form, very good players. Ireland is coming back from injury and Arnie is carrying a knock and seems out of sorts mentally. Neither are worth a spot in the first XI currently, but both will come good again and play vital roles in the squad in the season as a whole. Why is a player either the Next Coming or monstrously awful to so many Stokies? Anyone who has played themselves (in any sport really, not just football) or watched a good many Stoke games (without an agenda), knows that sportsmen have good and bad patches, sometimes with no logic as to whys and wherefores, and that you need to get your head down, work hard and stay fit and positive, and the good times will probably come round again. The season is a marathon, not a sprint, and at some stage both of these players will prove invaluable to us. I'm sick of some people coming on here and spouting absolute, complete common sense. This is the Oatcake message board. On here we specialise in knicker wetting, knee jerk reactions and total over reaction. Take your balanced, calm and rational approach elsewhere pal.
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Post by Sfance on Sept 24, 2014 19:13:48 GMT
Who's writing him off? He was worse than awful last night. But, that was last night. My original point was that I couldn't understand why Hughes kept him on the field. I completely agree that he should be able to get himself back to being what we saw sometimes last season - just like Arnie can. But we can't afford to have either of them doing that in the first team. If you haven't noticed, we haven't actually scored a goal at the Brit yet and it's almost the end of September!
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Sept 24, 2014 19:47:05 GMT
Certainly a player Mark and his team rate very highly.
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Post by kevkj on Sept 24, 2014 19:53:37 GMT
Certainly a player Mark and his team must have noted was awful on the nght,constantly destroying fast breaks with poor passes,let o Shea run past him constantly 2nd half.
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Post by march4 on Sept 24, 2014 19:58:25 GMT
I thought he looked unfit. Same could be said of Arnie and Assaidi.
Huthy was breathing heavily at the end of the game, as well (no jokes, please)
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Post by ratters on Sept 24, 2014 20:04:10 GMT
The biggest problem with Ireland is that if he is poor in attack which generally he was last night, then overs absolutely nothing else, and I mean nothing. No effort to close down or put in a tackle, and no challenge for headers, he makes it far too easy for opposition players, and the fact he won't put himself about if its not quite going right highlights his ineffectiveness even more
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2014 9:16:45 GMT
Who's writing him off? He was worse than awful last night. But, that was last night. My original point was that I couldn't understand why Hughes kept him on the field. I completely agree that he should be able to get himself back to being what we saw sometimes last season - just like Arnie can. But we can't afford to have either of them doing that in the first team. If you haven't noticed, we haven't actually scored a goal at the Brit yet and it's almost the end of September! I agree. Saying they were both shit is not the same as writing them off. Arnie was woeful the other night. Not seen a worse display for a long time. Couldn't pass, couldn't run, couldn't dribble, couldn't control the ball, couldn't tackle and sulked most of the match. Ireland too, was dogshit, with poor passing, retention, positioning, tackling, etc. Obviously however, on form, they are both very good players. I wouldn't like them starting though, based on the last match. They both look miles off the pace.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2014 9:19:43 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. We can't afford it though mate. Especially not when we have players for the same positions performing much better at the moment. They need to work hard in training, get fully fit and hit the ground running when called upon....or at least put in a solid performance.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Sept 25, 2014 10:45:16 GMT
Who's writing him off? He was worse than awful last night. But, that was last night. My original point was that I couldn't understand why Hughes kept him on the field. I completely agree that he should be able to get himself back to being what we saw sometimes last season - just like Arnie can. But we can't afford to have either of them doing that in the first team. If you haven't noticed, we haven't actually scored a goal at the Brit yet and it's almost the end of September! If you're basing that on two league home games to date then I'd suggest you were overreacting. Fail to score on Monday and you may have a point
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 11:42:22 GMT
Ireland certainly has the ability to split opinion. I was out when the Sunderland game was played and the match has completely passed me by. I was under the impression that this was an Ireland inspired victory. Muniesa’s excellent goals offered Mark Hughes’s side passage into the fourth round at the expense of last season’s losing finalists on a night when Stephen Ireland showed his class... The tie served as a reminder of precisely what a clever footballer Ireland is. Stoke’s attacking midfielder, recalled after injury, was invariably at the heart of the game’s best moves but it was Sunderland who took the lead.www.theguardian.com/football/2014/sep/23/sunderland-stoke-city-capital-one-cup-match-report
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 12:07:14 GMT
He's similar to Arnie in that he needs a run of games to hit top form. We can't afford it though mate. Especially not when we have players for the same positions performing much better at the moment. They need to work hard in training, get fully fit and hit the ground running when called upon....or at least put in a solid performance. I quite agree on the dropping of players, as I tried to put across to another poster the other evening. Training only gets you so far in terms of fitness and it's that match sharpness and the confidence that comes with it. Some players can come in and get by on adrenaline and hit it off from there (Moses as an example) whereas others need that run of games. Players like Ireland and Arnie are those players. If we have players in the team that are outperforming them then they have to bide their time in the reserves, but IMO people need to realise that they aren't going to come straight in and perform.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 25, 2014 12:22:21 GMT
I thought Ireland was one of our better player in the friendlies before the season started, but unfortunately he got an injury right after the new season started. I think he is one of the players we have who is best at finding space both with his runs and passes. Really think we have missed an Ireland in good form up till now. Yes, he wasn't at his best at Sland, but hopefully a couple of matches will make sure of that. Arnie's problem I think is more inside his head! Had a good finish to last season, but obviously has too high thoughts about himself! When he started thinking of pastures new (Champion League teams) his head wasn't in the right place and he dropped out of our starting 11, and rightly so, because he played really badly! If he is going to get into the starting 11 again he really has to do some work with himself as he right now shouldn't even be considered for the subs bench. A pity really because we all saw there is a good player there when he is motivated and switched on!
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 25, 2014 12:54:10 GMT
IMO Ireland was poor Tuesday night, but that is not to say useless, he did make contributions.
My memory was that every time he received the ball a "fan" in front of me started slagging him off no matter what happened next. As it happened Ireland did disappoint on most occasions, but it was clear that "fan" wasn't even prepared to form any objective opinion, he had already set his agenda for the evening.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 25, 2014 12:57:27 GMT
Arnie and Ireland are, on form, very good players. Ireland is coming back from injury and Arnie is carrying a knock and seems out of sorts mentally. Neither are worth a spot in the first XI currently, but both will come good again and play vital roles in the squad in the season as a whole. Why is a player either the Next Coming or monstrously awful to so many Stokies? Anyone who has played themselves (in any sport really, not just football) or watched a good many Stoke games (without an agenda), knows that sportsmen have good and bad patches, sometimes with no logic as to whys and wherefores, and that you need to get your head down, work hard and stay fit and positive, and the good times will probably come round again. The season is a marathon, not a sprint, and at some stage both of these players will prove invaluable to us. Since when has Arnie been carrying a knock, I've seen a few mention it but only after the Sunderland game, don't think it was ever mentioned before?
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Post by jezzascfc on Sept 25, 2014 13:02:00 GMT
Arnie and Ireland are, on form, very good players. Ireland is coming back from injury and Arnie is carrying a knock and seems out of sorts mentally. Neither are worth a spot in the first XI currently, but both will come good again and play vital roles in the squad in the season as a whole. Why is a player either the Next Coming or monstrously awful to so many Stokies? Anyone who has played themselves (in any sport really, not just football) or watched a good many Stoke games (without an agenda), knows that sportsmen have good and bad patches, sometimes with no logic as to whys and wherefores, and that you need to get your head down, work hard and stay fit and positive, and the good times will probably come round again. The season is a marathon, not a sprint, and at some stage both of these players will prove invaluable to us. Since when has Arnie been carrying a knock, I've seen a few mention it but only after the Sunderland game, don't think it was ever mentioned before? Hughes mentioned it in his presser last week, foot injury I think. It made him doubtful for the QPR game, so I was a bit surprised when he was named as a sub and came on ahead of Ossie. Dunno if he is still carrying it, but it may go some way towards explaining his "limp" showings so far. That, and his head being in the clouds....... He will come good, I am sure, given time and a bit of patience from the hungry pack of wolves on here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 25, 2014 13:07:36 GMT
Since when has Arnie been carrying a knock, I've seen a few mention it but only after the Sunderland game, don't think it was ever mentioned before? Hughes mentioned it in his presser last week, foot injury I think. It made him doubtful for the QPR game, so I was a bit surprised when he was named as a sub and came on ahead of Ossie. Dunno if he is still carrying it, but it may go some way towards explaining his "limp" showings so far. That, and his head being in the clouds....... He will come good, I am sure, given time and a bit of patience from the hungry pack of wolves on here. Ahh right, nice one, I'm sure he'll come good too tbh, its going to be difficult for him to get the games he needs though, with how well Moses and Diouf are doing.
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Post by foster on Sept 25, 2014 13:08:12 GMT
Since when has Arnie been carrying a knock, I've seen a few mention it but only after the Sunderland game, don't think it was ever mentioned before? Hughes mentioned it in his presser last week, foot injury I think. It made him doubtful for the QPR game, so I was a bit surprised when he was named as a sub and came on ahead of Ossie. Dunno if he is still carrying it, but it may go some way towards explaining his "limp" showings so far. That, and his head being in the clouds....... He will come good, I am sure, given time and a bit of patience from the hungry pack of wolves on here. Pack of Wolves? All people have said was that he was shit, not that he is shit. And to be correct, he was shit on the last game. Nothing wrong with saying that based on what we know he can do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 14:22:33 GMT
Expect them.
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Post by thehoof on Sept 25, 2014 14:40:09 GMT
Ireland is a player who comes to the fore when Stoke have established themselves as being on top of the game. He has very little impact until Stoke get their noses in front.
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