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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 21:53:22 GMT
Now you have got my gander up, just what exactly have the tories done for this area? closed the pits encouraged outsourcing from the potts shut down the steelworks when we have a factory down the road(jcb) that uses tonnes of the stuff which it now imports from 3rd world countries privatisation gas=bills up electric =bills up water =bills up all this while the companies make obscene profits. I could go on Labour shut more pits in the sixties and seventies than any tory party did. Google it. The writing was on the wall. We have never had a tory council unfortunately here. If we put Michael Jacksons 'orphan monkey bubbles' up for labour it would get voted in. Too many stuck in the past 'its in me blood' and 'me dad voted labour' half wits around. Tony blair said 'education education education' What he meant was 'immigration immigration immigration' What a wonderful job he and his human rights cash whore of a wife are doing in the middle east right now. They screwed this country and your labour man Tony Blair should be in prison now for war crimes and treason. Dont give me your working class bullshit, that man has helped to turn this countrys citys into ghettos Are you upset because the torys are clamping down on chavs and bone idle people on the sick? Do you have a 'labour stick' (walking stick) and a blue badge on your car? The torys are getting this country out of the shit that your lot dropped us in with over spending and you hate to see the economy turning around. You and your dinosaur Len Mcluskey Union friends hate it.You wanted it to fail....its not. A bit like Scargill ...tried but failed.Greed from the unions, they had a good thing but they fckd it. Maggie did you Anyway off to bed now Ive got work in the morning.Have to go to pay my council tax and pay for the mosque they are building up Hanley. You know the one ....the one where the muslim community bought £250,000 worth of land for £1 off our council. Bless em Nite Make sure you iron that brown shirt before you go to bed.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 2, 2014 22:04:44 GMT
I'm sorry mate but that is utter tripe imo.Society today[unlike years gone by] is full of utter scumbags and its growing by the years,so god help us all in another 20 years when these inbreds are the bread and butter of our great country. And because I didn't individually go and approach 20 grown men (as opposed to adults) and tell them what cunts they were being, I now can't have an opinion on their behaviour? It's a fair point mate. You don't need unwanted hassle at a match. But if something does your head in so much you can't help but say something. Just my opinion.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 2, 2014 22:07:16 GMT
You don't need to question who they are. It's not just our club. It's people in general. We're not born with brains,we earn them and they will too. Have a bit of faith. Nobody wants to hear it but we all do at some point. It wont get any better because kids will always be kids. Be the grown up and except it. Did you speak to any of them who were saying the stuff you didn't like ? If not, don't bitch about it on a forum. 16 - 20 year olds are not kids. They are. Maybe not by law but they are.
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Post by turtlefox on Aug 2, 2014 22:41:53 GMT
You don't need to question who they are. It's not just our club. It's people in general. We're not born with brains,we earn them and they will too. Have a bit of faith. Nobody wants to hear it but we all do at some point. It wont get any better because kids will always be kids. Be the grown up and except it. Did you speak to any of them who were saying the stuff you didn't like ? If not, don't bitch about it on a forum. I'm sorry mate but that is utter tripe imo.Society today[unlike years gone by] is full of utter scumbags and its growing by the years,so god help us all in another 20 years when these inbreds are the bread and butter of our great country. So you think society was better in years gone. No chance. We have got better. I cant believe that someone who uses the internet and has all the access to information( sometimes shit information ) can't see how we have got better There will always be scumbags that's a certain but don't be romantic about a time you never knew .
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 2, 2014 22:46:51 GMT
I'm afraid this is what happens when you become a successful Premier League team. You start to attract morons.
It was always that way and it always ill be.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2014 23:03:11 GMT
I'm afraid this is what happens when you become a successful Premier League team. You start to attract morons. It was always that way and it always ill be. There's always morons regardless of the league, unfortunately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 23:04:41 GMT
I'm afraid this is what happens when you become a successful Premier League team. You start to attract morons. It was always that way and it always ill be. Premier League newbie supporters get a bad enough press without taking the rap for stuff like this. Going to watch their team play in a friendly against a 4th tier side is usually something they'd be accused of not being interested in, so it's a bit unfair to now pin the blame on them for this shit.
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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 2, 2014 23:16:41 GMT
I'm afraid this is what happens when you become a successful Premier League team. You start to attract morons. It was always that way and it always ill be. Premier League newbie supporters get a bad enough press without taking the rap for stuff like this. Going to watch their team play in a friendly against a 4th tier side is usually something they'd be accused of not being interested in, so it's a bit unfair to now pin the blame on them for this shit. Not saying every "new fan" behaves this way, far from it, but the more successful you are, the more of this sort of behaviour you will see. I'm sure the players realise it's a tiny minority and not remotely representative of Stoke City support in general.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 23:21:05 GMT
Premier League newbie supporters get a bad enough press without taking the rap for stuff like this. Going to watch their team play in a friendly against a 4th tier side is usually something they'd be accused of not being interested in, so it's a bit unfair to now pin the blame on them for this shit. Not saying every "new fan" behaves this way, far from it, but the more successful you are, the more of this sort of behaviour you will see. I'm sure the players realise it's a tiny minority and not remotely representative of Stoke City support in general. It's almost always a minority in this sort of situation, but if you're in your early twenties and you're the subject of the abuse, it must be hard to look at it reasonably. Butland seems like a sensible lad, so hopefully, he'll realise that the vast majority of Stokies are with him, not against him.
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Post by miltonstokie on Aug 2, 2014 23:47:51 GMT
Premier League newbie supporters get a bad enough press without taking the rap for stuff like this. Going to watch their team play in a friendly against a 4th tier side is usually something they'd be accused of not being interested in, so it's a bit unfair to now pin the blame on them for this shit. Not saying every "new fan" behaves this way, far from it, but the more successful you are, the more of this sort of behaviour you will see. I'm sure the players realise it's a tiny minority and not remotely representative of Stoke City support in general. It's got nothing to do how successful we are. Pissed up fans chanting shite will never stop. Shameful as it is
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Post by sithestokie on Aug 3, 2014 2:54:14 GMT
I very rarely visit this forum anymore but felt I have to comment & agree that I was so embarrassed with our fans behaviour in the first half towards butland & especially how close we were to the pitch that he would undoubtedly would of heard all what was being directed to him. Absolutely no need
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Post by block30row19 on Aug 3, 2014 3:36:26 GMT
Shame there wasn't some big massive bloke brave enough to go down and just slap a few of the wankers.
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Post by frumpy on Aug 3, 2014 4:07:13 GMT
Seems cultural to me.
We don't get this shit in America, whether the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL or MLS.
In England it's still a bit tame compared to the continent though where there's idiots throwing bananas and shit like that at players while making monkey noises.
Real problem is security and lack of standards. In America, you'd be tossed out of an arena or stadium in two mins and arrested. Fans here have more respect for their players. Other thing is fans here don't care if they actually got a response, a nice one or not. The Shea incident where he flipped off supporters who again were having a go at one of their players. No one in America would give a fook if a player flipped off a fan or fans who were abusing them.
That really made Barnsley look like a bunch of pussies that Americans can't related to. Sending a player back for giving abusive fans the finger? Serious pussies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 4:59:05 GMT
I'm sure he'll get over it, especially on his £35k a week. Some people need to remember that there was a club before the PL.. I heard much much worse at the Vic and that was all taken tongue in cheek. I wasn't there yesterday - But from reading the write up on 'ere, I'd say a slight difference is that taking the p1ss out of your own is always harder than out of someone who isn't. And I'd say - rather than a bit of imaginative, local banter - this sounds more like, "Oh yeah; wave at me once will you, rich c**t. Bet you won't wave at me 759 times"
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2014 5:41:55 GMT
Now you have got my gander up, just what exactly have the tories done for this area? closed the pits encouraged outsourcing from the potts shut down the steelworks when we have a factory down the road(jcb) that uses tonnes of the stuff which it now imports from 3rd world countries privatisation gas=bills up electric =bills up water =bills up all this while the companies make obscene profits. I could go on Labour shut more pits in the sixties and seventies than any tory party did. Google it. The writing was on the wall. We have never had a tory council unfortunately here. If we put Michael Jacksons 'orphan monkey bubbles' up for labour it would get voted in. Too many stuck in the past 'its in me blood' and 'me dad voted labour' half wits around. Tony blair said 'education education education' What he meant was 'immigration immigration immigration' What a wonderful job he and his human rights cash whore of a wife are doing in the middle east right now. They screwed this country and your labour man Tony Blair should be in prison now for war crimes and treason. Dont give me your working class bullshit, that man has helped to turn this countrys citys into ghettos Are you upset because the torys are clamping down on chavs and bone idle people on the sick? Do you have a 'labour stick' (walking stick) and a blue badge on your car? The torys are getting this country out of the shit that your lot dropped us in with over spending and you hate to see the economy turning around. You and your dinosaur Len Mcluskey Union friends hate it.You wanted it to fail....its not. A bit like Scargill ...tried but failed.Greed from the unions, they had a good thing but they fckd it. Maggie did you Anyway off to bed now Ive got work in the morning.Have to go to pay my council tax and pay for the mosque they are building up Hanley. You know the one ....the one where the muslim community bought £250,000 worth of land for £1 off our council. Bless em Nite Great post
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Post by neddy on Aug 3, 2014 6:37:02 GMT
Didn't Beckham get loads of stick off LA Galaxy fans once?
Ned.
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Post by redsaturday on Aug 3, 2014 7:10:53 GMT
Ok I think there's a bit of an over reaction on here. I was there in the seating area yesterday with my 4 and 6 year olds.
It was funny at first It did go a bit far It didn't effect him, I could see him smiling. He'll get far worse from opposition fans
The Ryan Shotton you're a wanker seemed to be from 2 idiots was disgusting
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 3, 2014 7:29:10 GMT
Labour shut more pits in the sixties and seventies than any tory party did. Google it. The writing was on the wall. We have never had a tory council unfortunately here. If we put Michael Jacksons 'orphan monkey bubbles' up for labour it would get voted in. Too many stuck in the past 'its in me blood' and 'me dad voted labour' half wits around. Tony blair said 'education education education' What he meant was 'immigration immigration immigration' What a wonderful job he and his human rights cash whore of a wife are doing in the middle east right now. They screwed this country and your labour man Tony Blair should be in prison now for war crimes and treason. Dont give me your working class bullshit, that man has helped to turn this countrys citys into ghettos Are you upset because the torys are clamping down on chavs and bone idle people on the sick? Do you have a 'labour stick' (walking stick) and a blue badge on your car? The torys are getting this country out of the shit that your lot dropped us in with over spending and you hate to see the economy turning around. You and your dinosaur Len Mcluskey Union friends hate it.You wanted it to fail....its not. A bit like Scargill ...tried but failed.Greed from the unions, they had a good thing but they fckd it. Maggie did you Anyway off to bed now Ive got work in the morning.Have to go to pay my council tax and pay for the mosque they are building up Hanley. You know the one ....the one where the muslim community bought £250,000 worth of land for £1 off our council. Bless em Nite Great post It's possibly the worst post ever written in the history of the internet.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 3, 2014 7:29:42 GMT
I'm sorry mate but that is utter tripe imo.Society today[unlike years gone by] is full of utter scumbags and its growing by the years,so god help us all in another 20 years when these inbreds are the bread and butter of our great country. So you think society was better in years gone. No chance. We have got better. I cant believe that someone who uses the internet and has all the access to information( sometimes shit information ) can't see how we have got better There will always be scumbags that's a certain but don't be romantic about a time you never knew . With you on this. It's one of the signs of age - getting worked up about what youngsters are doing. How did that Buzzcocks song go; I 'm surfing on a wave of nostalgia for an age yet to come. Need to take these off
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Post by metalhead on Aug 3, 2014 7:42:52 GMT
16 - 20 year olds are not kids. They are. Maybe not by law but they are. Spot on. When I said kids, I meant all ages up to about 20ish. Fucking morons regardless. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that in a noddy pre-season friendly, people found it necessary to abuse our own players. Like others have said, name and shame. They sure as hell won't do it again if people know who they are.
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Post by pedro23 on Aug 3, 2014 8:00:20 GMT
Abuse or Banter, Terrorist or Freedom fighter, depending which side you are on usually determines the opinion. The comments on Twitter last night mostly seemed to point to banter, from people who were actually there. Abuse/Banter aimed at individual players has always been around. I remember standing in the Boothen end in the 80's and a player called Paul Maguire being called Windolene, which was reference to his "glass back"which at least had a ring of humour about it. Problem is now some people try to claim calling a player a useless c*** is banter.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 3, 2014 8:21:05 GMT
Seems cultural to me. We don't get this shit in America, whether the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL or MLS. In England it's still a bit tame compared to the continent though where there's idiots throwing bananas and shit like that at players while making monkey noises. Real problem is security and lack of standards. In America, you'd be tossed out of an arena or stadium in two mins and arrested. Fans here have more respect for their players. Other thing is fans here don't care if they actually got a response, a nice one or not. The Shea incident where he flipped off supporters who again were having a go at one of their players. No one in America would give a fook if a player flipped off a fan or fans who were abusing them. That really made Barnsley look like a bunch of pussies that Americans can't related to. Sending a player back for giving abusive fans the finger? Serious pussies. We've got our share of despicable fans over here, and athletes that flip the bird at them then get fined and/or suspended. Athletes attack fans because of the shit they say and fans beat each other up in parking lots and seriously injure or kill one another. America is definitely not immune to this kind of behavior, and players are definitely punished for doing that kind of stuff. Barnsley sent Brek back because they didn't want him, the obscene gesture just gave them grounds for termination.
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Post by crownmeking on Aug 3, 2014 8:25:57 GMT
Tar and feather them!!!!
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Aug 3, 2014 8:36:55 GMT
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Aug 3, 2014 8:42:06 GMT
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Aug 3, 2014 8:43:16 GMT
Tories or Labour = same outcome in the end. Cut spending on new build hospitals, schools etc from the Tories yes they cost a lot of money but exam results and inspiration are on a high eg New Blurton high. Labour wastes money on nothing jobs at the council eg a manager of a manager of manager to 2 people.
Liberal would just put us in the euro then crash
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Post by lordeffinghamhunt on Aug 3, 2014 8:47:37 GMT
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 3, 2014 8:56:03 GMT
We get the kind of stuff all the time in the USA and moral decency is moral decency. I just don't understand abusing the team you supports players, hey were the shirt you have to back them. Can it be any simpler? Only time I can see a few boos or moans is after the whistle blows and the game is over. But even that should be a measured response to let the lads know the effort wasn't good enough.
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Post by Gordon Marshall on Aug 3, 2014 8:56:54 GMT
What some people have got to realise that it is not just Stoke on Trent that has a lot of these people . At the end of the day its poor education but it must have always been like this even in the good old days. It will just get worse because as one uneducated, jobless family as 4 kids live in the same area they have 4 kids , no job etc they think its the norm. Certain schools need to show and educate that theres more to life than putting your sofa outside the front of your house when its hot and drinking skol all night paid by the tax payer.
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Post by werrington on Aug 3, 2014 10:22:31 GMT
Labour shut more pits in the sixties and seventies than any tory party did. Google it. The writing was on the wall. We have never had a tory council unfortunately here. If we put Michael Jacksons 'orphan monkey bubbles' up for labour it would get voted in. Too many stuck in the past 'its in me blood' and 'me dad voted labour' half wits around. Tony blair said 'education education education' What he meant was 'immigration immigration immigration' What a wonderful job he and his human rights cash whore of a wife are doing in the middle east right now. They screwed this country and your labour man Tony Blair should be in prison now for war crimes and treason. Dont give me your working class bullshit, that man has helped to turn this countrys citys into ghettos Are you upset because the torys are clamping down on chavs and bone idle people on the sick? Do you have a 'labour stick' (walking stick) and a blue badge on your car? The torys are getting this country out of the shit that your lot dropped us in with over spending and you hate to see the economy turning around. You and your dinosaur Len Mcluskey Union friends hate it.You wanted it to fail....its not. A bit like Scargill ...tried but failed.Greed from the unions, they had a good thing but they fckd it. Maggie did you Anyway off to bed now Ive got work in the morning.Have to go to pay my council tax and pay for the mosque they are building up Hanley. You know the one ....the one where the muslim community bought £250,000 worth of land for £1 off our council. Bless em Nite Great post It made me feel sick
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