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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 31, 2014 11:55:05 GMT
found his level finally. he's never been Prem quality all we ever hear is how quick he is and what an "athlete" he is....fine, fuck off and take your shitty corn rows with you and take up athletics then Cameron because you can't control a fucking football to save your life! He can however score 30 yard screamers against premier league opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 11:59:11 GMT
found his level finally. he's never been Prem quality all we ever hear is how quick he is and what an "athlete" he is....fine, fuck off and take your shitty corn rows with you and take up athletics then Cameron because you can't control a fucking football to save your life! He can however score 35 yard screamers against premier league opposition. once! yeah best stick him back in the side and give him a contract extension because of 1 goal from 35 yards in his entire career then eh?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 31, 2014 12:04:02 GMT
Wouldn't rule it out - but have no idea where he'd fit into a Pulis XI and can't see him going back for a second bite after his first try. Tone didn't really have any idea how to use him - although, to be fair, he is a tricky player to get the best out of and I don't think Hughes particularly fancies him and I can see him struggling to make our bench I think Hughes will always have him on the bench (at least) if he can as Ireland is not really a 90minute/38 game player. Both players were used last season & yes Ireland is favourite at the moment but given Adams goals last season + his ability to pick out fast clever forwards (which we now have)I can see Adam playing albeit not as 1st choice. Adam might not want that of course. We'll see, lord. I'm not convinced. I think Bojan will take his place in Hughes' thinking. Can't see remotely where he fits now. Assuming Assaidi signs and we went something like : Begovic Bardsley-Huth-Shawcross-Pieters Whelan-N'Zonzi Odemwingie-Ireland-Arnie Diouf would Adam get in the 7 from: Sorensen-Cameron-Wilko-Wilson-Muniesa-Teixeira-Palacios-Sidwell-Bojan-Adam-Assaidi-Shea-Walters-Crouch-JeromeActually looking at that list, there are going to be a shed load of experienced campaigners not getting on the bench every single week.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 31, 2014 12:15:19 GMT
He can however score 35 yard screamers against premier league opposition. once! yeah best stick him back in the side and give him a contract extension because of 1 goal from 35 yards in his entire career then eh? 2 in fairness scored one at Anfield for Birmingham too. I don't know why certain supporters seem so reluctant to accept that Jerome isn't a bad option to have. He's scored 10 goals in a premier league season before, he's frequently won us games off the bench at this level and under Pulis we always looked a far more effective team with him in it. He has then gone to another premier league team and has done ok by all accounts. He's not got great control we know that and he isn't going to get you goals consistently but evidence suggests he can be a very effective player at this level. The constant abuse he gets from some supporters is pretty embarassing given there is very little to evidence to support it. The fact is we probably have moved on but it was impacts from the likes of Jerome and Adam that helped keep us in this division when Pulis looked well on his way to getting us relegated. Scored some good goals for us too Wigan at home stands out for me as a quality finish, very hard technique to execute. Id far rather see him over Walters. Ultimately it's time to get rid of both.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:22:39 GMT
once! yeah best stick him back in the side and give him a contract extension because of 1 goal from 35 yards in his entire career then eh? 2 in fairness scored one at Anfield for Birmingham too. I don't know why certain supporters seem so reluctant to accept that Jerome isn't a bad option to have. He's scored 10 goals in a premier league season before, he's frequently won us games off the bench at this level and under Pulis we always looked a far more effective team with him in it. He has then gone to another premier league team and has done ok by all accounts. He's not got great control we know that and he isn't going to get you goals consistently but evidence suggests he can be a very effective player at this level. The constant abuse he gets from some supporters is pretty embarassing given there is very little to evidence to support it. The fact is we probably have moved on but it was impacts from the likes of Jerome and Adam that helped keep us in this division when Pulis looked well on his way to getting us relegated. Scored some good goals for us too Wigan at home stands out for me as a quality finish, very hard technique to execute. Id far rather see him over Walters. Ultimately it's time to get rid of both. right...so you admit he's got useless ball control. add to that the fact that yes, he has scored 10 in a season before (once...5 years ago so in other words completely irrelevant unless we're thinking of re-signing Dave Kitson as well on that basis !) but for us his highest tally is 4 and for Palace he scored 2 in 28 games and that's doing ok by all accounts????! a forward scoring 4 in a season is ok but people go mad at SJW for being utter shite despite never getting below 5 for us..and penalties are irrelevant, if we're looking at being honest and factual then Jerome's missed enough fucking sitters from far closer in than the penalty spot! so, he can't control the ball, his highest tally for us ever is 4, he then played more games the next season and got 3 then played even more games for Palace and got 2 and there's little evidence to support the fact that he's just not up to this level????? as has been pointed out previously, he never helped us stay in this division at all, that's just utterly false! when he scored his goals the season before last we were never in danger of relegation at all, we were 12th, 8th and 9th at the time ranging from between 5-12 points clear of the drop zone. seeing supporters defend him is pretty embarrassing when they have to rely on his goal tally from 5 years ago (so before he was even here and i'm pretty sure it's what he does for US that we care about not what he did for Brum?) and making things up. he works hard and runs a lot yes and he's been loyal (which in football nowadays simply means hasn't been sold nothing more) but sorry, i'm not suddenly deciding that he's a Prem quality player simply because he runs around well. it's not as if anyone's saying he's an utter arsehole and should be wiped from the face of the earth mate, just that he's not good enough to cut it at this level and most certainly not even close to being good enough to get into our squad nowadays.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 31, 2014 12:30:59 GMT
2 in fairness scored one at Anfield for Birmingham too. I don't know why certain supporters seem so reluctant to accept that Jerome isn't a bad option to have. He's scored 10 goals in a premier league season before, he's frequently won us games off the bench at this level and under Pulis we always looked a far more effective team with him in it. He has then gone to another premier league team and has done ok by all accounts. He's not got great control we know that and he isn't going to get you goals consistently but evidence suggests he can be a very effective player at this level. The constant abuse he gets from some supporters is pretty embarassing given there is very little to evidence to support it. The fact is we probably have moved on but it was impacts from the likes of Jerome and Adam that helped keep us in this division when Pulis looked well on his way to getting us relegated. Scored some good goals for us too Wigan at home stands out for me as a quality finish, very hard technique to execute. Id far rather see him over Walters. Ultimately it's time to get rid of both. right...so you admit he's got useless ball control. add to that the fact that yes, he has scored 10 in a season before (once...5 years ago so in other words completely irrelevant unless we're thinking of re-signing Dave Kitson as well on that basis !) but for us his highest tally is 4 and for Palace he scored 2 in 28 games and that's doing ok by all accounts????! so, he can't control the ball, his highest tally for us ever is 4, he then played more games the next season and got 3 then played even more games for Palace and got 2 and there's little evidence to support the fact that he's just not up to this level????? as has been pointed out previously, he never helped us stay in this division at all, that's just utterly false! when he scored his goals the season before last we were never in danger of relegation at all, we were 12th, 8th and 9th at the time ranging from between 5-12 points clear of the drop zone. seeing supporters defend him is pretty embarrassing when they have to rely on his goal tally from 5 years ago (so before he was even here and i'm pretty sure it's what he does for US that we care about not what he did for Brum?) and making things up. Yeah because you don't have an agenda. Christ. You're either blind or just thick if you couldn't see the impact Jerome made off the bench under Pulis. Palace fans seen to think he did alright for them too. I say it's time to move on but at the same time not rewrite history by dismissing the good things he's done for us. Simple as that. Walcott used have absolutely abysmal ball control...it doesn't mean he wasn't an effective player. If you've got pace, the ability to pull off the defender and a half decent eye for goal you're always going to pose a threat. Also worth noting he had a far better championship record than Walters yet some seem to think he's premier league quality
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:43:19 GMT
right...so you admit he's got useless ball control. add to that the fact that yes, he has scored 10 in a season before (once...5 years ago so in other words completely irrelevant unless we're thinking of re-signing Dave Kitson as well on that basis !) but for us his highest tally is 4 and for Palace he scored 2 in 28 games and that's doing ok by all accounts????! so, he can't control the ball, his highest tally for us ever is 4, he then played more games the next season and got 3 then played even more games for Palace and got 2 and there's little evidence to support the fact that he's just not up to this level????? as has been pointed out previously, he never helped us stay in this division at all, that's just utterly false! when he scored his goals the season before last we were never in danger of relegation at all, we were 12th, 8th and 9th at the time ranging from between 5-12 points clear of the drop zone. seeing supporters defend him is pretty embarrassing when they have to rely on his goal tally from 5 years ago (so before he was even here and i'm pretty sure it's what he does for US that we care about not what he did for Brum?) and making things up. Yeah because you don't have an agenda. Christ. You're either blind or just thick if you couldn't see the impact Jerome made off the bench under Pulis. Palace fans seen to think he did alright for them too. I say it's time to move on but at the same time not rewrite history by dismissing the good things he's done for us. Simple as that. Walcott used have absolutely abysmal ball control...it doesn't mean he wasn't an effective player. If you've got pace, the ability to pull off the defender and a half decent eye for goal you're always going to pose a threat. Also worth noting he had a far better championship record than Walters yet some seem to think he's premier league quality no i don't have an agenda.....jesus all i did was counter your argument point by point and you go off accusing people of having an agenda discussion means fuck all nowadays does it? you disagree with someone and base it on fact and it apparently equals just having an agenda (usually because they can't counter back)...have a word with yourself mate! he scored some goals for us yes, did they keep us up? no, so to try to justify your case by saying that (despite the fact that further up the thread i'd already shown his goals came at times when were already perfectly safe in the league) is simply making things up! by the way, what relevance has anyone's championship record got when we've been in the prem for 6 years and bought both players while we were in the Prem exactly? and half decent eye for goal??? in 28 games last year he averaged just one shot per game and scored only twice. how does that indicate that 1) he's effective and 2) he has a half decent eye for goal? all i've done is back things up with fact, all you seem to be doing is defending him on the basis that he can run around a lot which apparently makes him an effective player (although for a forward i tend to judge their effectiveness first and foremost on goals and assists, neither of which put him in a good light for any club in the last 4 years and secondly on their ability to create opportunities for others and given the fact he largely trips over the ball and/or gives it straight back to the opposition then he's hardly any better there either) unlike you i don't get all misty eyed about players simply because they wore the red and white stripes and class everyone we've had for the last few years as worthy of gratitude for what they've done for us. last season and this we are now an established Prem side and no longer need to idolise players simply for playing for us. i want them to be good enough to play for our team, Jerome isn't and, for me, never really has been. i said when we signed him that i didn't think he was good enough and when we had KJ, Crouch or SJW to choose from he'd always always be 4th choice for me and we didn't need 4 when playing just 1 man up front.
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Post by potterpaul on Jul 31, 2014 12:49:50 GMT
Yeah because you don't have an agenda. Christ. You're either blind or just thick if you couldn't see the impact Jerome made off the bench under Pulis. Palace fans seen to think he did alright for them too. I say it's time to move on but at the same time not rewrite history by dismissing the good things he's done for us. Simple as that. Walcott used have absolutely abysmal ball control...it doesn't mean he wasn't an effective player. If you've got pace, the ability to pull off the defender and a half decent eye for goal you're always going to pose a threat. Also worth noting he had a far better championship record than Walters yet some seem to think he's premier league quality no i don't have an agenda.....jesus all i did was counter your argument point by point and you go off accusing people of having an agenda discussion means fuck all nowadays does it? you disagree with someone and base it on fact and it apparently equals just having an agenda (usually because they can't counter back)...have a word with yourself mate! he scored some goals for us yes, did they keep us up? no, so to try to justify your case by saying that (despite the fact that further up the thread i'd already shown his goals came at times when were already perfectly safe in the league) is simply making things up! by the way, what relevance has anyone's championship record got when we've been in the prem for 6 years and bought both players while we were in the Prem exactly? and half decent eye for goal??? in 28 games last year he averaged just one shot per game and scored only twice. how does that indicate that 1) he's effective and 2) he has a half decent eye for goal? all i've done is back things up with fact, all you seem to be doing is defending him on the basis that he can run around a lot which apparently makes him an effective player (although for a forward i tend to judge their effectiveness first and foremost on goals and assists, neither of which put him in a good light for any club in the last 4 years and secondly on their ability to create opportunities for others and given the fact he largely trips over the ball and/or gives it straight back to the opposition then he's hardly any better there either) unlike you i don't get all misty eyed about players simply because they wore the red and white stripes and class everyone we've had for the last few years as worthy of gratitude for what they've done for us. last season and this we are now an established Prem side and no longer need to idolise players simply for playing for us. i want them to be good enough to play for our team, Jerome isn't and, for me, never really has been. i said when we signed him that i didn't think he was good enough and when we had KJ, Crouch or SJW to choose from he'd always always be 4th choice for me and we didn't need 4 when playing just 1 man up front. And you haven't ever used the agenda theme with other posters
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 13:03:26 GMT
no i don't have an agenda.....jesus all i did was counter your argument point by point and you go off accusing people of having an agenda discussion means fuck all nowadays does it? you disagree with someone and base it on fact and it apparently equals just having an agenda (usually because they can't counter back)...have a word with yourself mate! he scored some goals for us yes, did they keep us up? no, so to try to justify your case by saying that (despite the fact that further up the thread i'd already shown his goals came at times when were already perfectly safe in the league) is simply making things up! by the way, what relevance has anyone's championship record got when we've been in the prem for 6 years and bought both players while we were in the Prem exactly? and half decent eye for goal??? in 28 games last year he averaged just one shot per game and scored only twice. how does that indicate that 1) he's effective and 2) he has a half decent eye for goal? all i've done is back things up with fact, all you seem to be doing is defending him on the basis that he can run around a lot which apparently makes him an effective player (although for a forward i tend to judge their effectiveness first and foremost on goals and assists, neither of which put him in a good light for any club in the last 4 years and secondly on their ability to create opportunities for others and given the fact he largely trips over the ball and/or gives it straight back to the opposition then he's hardly any better there either) unlike you i don't get all misty eyed about players simply because they wore the red and white stripes and class everyone we've had for the last few years as worthy of gratitude for what they've done for us. last season and this we are now an established Prem side and no longer need to idolise players simply for playing for us. i want them to be good enough to play for our team, Jerome isn't and, for me, never really has been. i said when we signed him that i didn't think he was good enough and when we had KJ, Crouch or SJW to choose from he'd always always be 4th choice for me and we didn't need 4 when playing just 1 man up front. And you haven't ever used the agenda theme with other posters not apart from when it relates to Pulis no. when it comes to Pulis (who was in complete control of our team and transfers at the time) people DID have an agenda and to be fair have admitted that themselves. having an agenda against a player is pointless really, especially one who even when he was here was mostly a benchwarmer as he didn't have too much of an impact (negative or positive) on the setup as a whole so there wouldn't be any point in desperately calling for his removal. i don't see how pointing out solid facts to dismiss things that posters have, quite simply, made up could be classed as having an agenda to be fair.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 31, 2014 15:58:06 GMT
Yeah because you don't have an agenda. Christ. You're either blind or just thick if you couldn't see the impact Jerome made off the bench under Pulis. Palace fans seen to think he did alright for them too. I say it's time to move on but at the same time not rewrite history by dismissing the good things he's done for us. Simple as that. Walcott used have absolutely abysmal ball control...it doesn't mean he wasn't an effective player. If you've got pace, the ability to pull off the defender and a half decent eye for goal you're always going to pose a threat. Also worth noting he had a far better championship record than Walters yet some seem to think he's premier league quality no i don't have an agenda.....jesus all i did was counter your argument point by point and you go off accusing people of having an agenda discussion means fuck all nowadays does it? you disagree with someone and base it on fact and it apparently equals just having an agenda (usually because they can't counter back)...have a word with yourself mate! he scored some goals for us yes, did they keep us up? no, so to try to justify your case by saying that (despite the fact that further up the thread i'd already shown his goals came at times when were already perfectly safe in the league) is simply making things up! by the way, what relevance has anyone's championship record got when we've been in the prem for 6 years and bought both players while we were in the Prem exactly? and half decent eye for goal??? in 28 games last year he averaged just one shot per game and scored only twice. how does that indicate that 1) he's effective and 2) he has a half decent eye for goal? all i've done is back things up with fact, all you seem to be doing is defending him on the basis that he can run around a lot which apparently makes him an effective player (although for a forward i tend to judge their effectiveness first and foremost on goals and assists, neither of which put him in a good light for any club in the last 4 years and secondly on their ability to create opportunities for others and given the fact he largely trips over the ball and/or gives it straight back to the opposition then he's hardly any better there either) unlike you i don't get all misty eyed about players simply because they wore the red and white stripes and class everyone we've had for the last few years as worthy of gratitude for what they've done for us. last season and this we are now an established Prem side and no longer need to idolise players simply for playing for us. i want them to be good enough to play for our team, Jerome isn't and, for me, never really has been. i said when we signed him that i didn't think he was good enough and when we had KJ, Crouch or SJW to choose from he'd always always be 4th choice for me and we didn't need 4 when playing just 1 man up front. Fair enough mick couldn't disagree more but you're right about the value of everyone having an opinion. Apologies for my slightly harsh response
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 16:08:01 GMT
no i don't have an agenda.....jesus all i did was counter your argument point by point and you go off accusing people of having an agenda discussion means fuck all nowadays does it? you disagree with someone and base it on fact and it apparently equals just having an agenda (usually because they can't counter back)...have a word with yourself mate! he scored some goals for us yes, did they keep us up? no, so to try to justify your case by saying that (despite the fact that further up the thread i'd already shown his goals came at times when were already perfectly safe in the league) is simply making things up! by the way, what relevance has anyone's championship record got when we've been in the prem for 6 years and bought both players while we were in the Prem exactly? and half decent eye for goal??? in 28 games last year he averaged just one shot per game and scored only twice. how does that indicate that 1) he's effective and 2) he has a half decent eye for goal? all i've done is back things up with fact, all you seem to be doing is defending him on the basis that he can run around a lot which apparently makes him an effective player (although for a forward i tend to judge their effectiveness first and foremost on goals and assists, neither of which put him in a good light for any club in the last 4 years and secondly on their ability to create opportunities for others and given the fact he largely trips over the ball and/or gives it straight back to the opposition then he's hardly any better there either) unlike you i don't get all misty eyed about players simply because they wore the red and white stripes and class everyone we've had for the last few years as worthy of gratitude for what they've done for us. last season and this we are now an established Prem side and no longer need to idolise players simply for playing for us. i want them to be good enough to play for our team, Jerome isn't and, for me, never really has been. i said when we signed him that i didn't think he was good enough and when we had KJ, Crouch or SJW to choose from he'd always always be 4th choice for me and we didn't need 4 when playing just 1 man up front. Fair enough mick couldn't disagree more but you're right about the value of everyone having an opinion. Apologies for my slightly harsh response too right (not about the apology mate...none necessary whatsoever). i love the way that despite the new technology coming in, countless replays in slow/superslow/fucking ridiculously slow motion and changes to the offside rule every 10 seconds that there are still some parts of football (the players themselves) that are basically immune to the recent campaign of taking all the fun out of arguing over football in a pub with your mates. some of us love them and some of us hate them but at least we can all come together and be united in our love of arguing about all the overpaid tosspots
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 31, 2014 16:43:45 GMT
Fair enough mick couldn't disagree more but you're right about the value of everyone having an opinion. Apologies for my slightly harsh response too right (not about the apology mate...none necessary whatsoever). i love the way that despite the new technology coming in, countless replays in slow/superslow/fucking ridiculously slow motion and changes to the offside rule every 10 seconds that there are still some parts of football (the players themselves) that are basically immune to the recent campaign of taking all the fun out of arguing over football in a pub with your mates. some of us love them and some of us hate them but at least we can all come together and be united in our love of arguing about all the overpaid tosspots Indeed mate indeed. And no I was wrong to criticise you in the way I did. It was hypocritical to say the least particularly given I like to think I support free speech. At least for the first time in a while we are ALL very excited about the new season and watching our new players on show.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jul 31, 2014 16:55:21 GMT
I can't believe people on here defending Cameron bastarding Jerome. Unbelievable.
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Post by lordb on Jul 31, 2014 16:59:36 GMT
I think Hughes will always have him on the bench (at least) if he can as Ireland is not really a 90minute/38 game player. Both players were used last season & yes Ireland is favourite at the moment but given Adams goals last season + his ability to pick out fast clever forwards (which we now have)I can see Adam playing albeit not as 1st choice. Adam might not want that of course. We'll see, lord. I'm not convinced. I think Bojan will take his place in Hughes' thinking. Can't see remotely where he fits now. Assuming Assaidi signs and we went something like : Begovic Bardsley-Huth-Shawcross-Pieters Whelan-N'Zonzi Odemwingie-Ireland-Arnie Diouf would Adam get in the 7 from: Sorensen-Cameron-Wilko-Wilson-Muniesa-Teixeira-Palacios-Sidwell-Bojan-Adam-Assaidi-Shea-Walters-Crouch-JeromeActually looking at that list, there are going to be a shed load of experienced campaigners not getting on the bench every single week. Yes assuming Assaidi or another signs then someone is going to miss out. I don't know if Bojan can play that role in the Premier League (not saying he can't) so someone has to dovetail Ireland and that's Adam for me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 18:14:24 GMT
I can't believe people on here defending Cameron bastarding Jerome. Unbelievable. He's not great but what's he ever done wrong for us?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 18:32:04 GMT
I can't believe people on here defending Cameron bastarding Jerome. Unbelievable. He's not great but what's he ever done wrong for us? Signed on the dotted line?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 31, 2014 18:34:17 GMT
He's not great but what's he ever done wrong for us? Signed on the dotted line? Nah, played a massive part in keeping us up in TP's last season.
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