jamerg
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Post by jamerg on Jul 30, 2014 9:46:39 GMT
He must be the MFW mustn't he? The lack of a denial of an interest in him from the SL&P boys speaks volumes...
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 30, 2014 9:48:48 GMT
And what about Bojan Rob?
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Post by RAF on Jul 30, 2014 9:53:12 GMT
Fair play. Like I said not using it to doubt the OP, just doesn't make sense to me to have 'numerous' agents working on behalf of one player. A lot of players have a number of agents bizarre I know but very common I don't find it bizarre. It'd only like having more than one Estate Agent trying to sell your house for you. The only difference being Estate Agents are slightly less despicable. H
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2014 9:54:10 GMT
And what about Bojan Rob? Still only an impact sub in my opinion! If he is able to be a regular in the starting 11 that's fine and a plus for the team, but to me he isn't there yet.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2014 10:00:56 GMT
Wouldn't mind him coming here, but he will be an expensive player. Is he really much better than Odemwingie? I think we rather should pay £5-6M for Redmond and let Arnie and Wingie keep up where they left last season (I know Wingie played the striker role too!). This is a decent starting 11 to me! ..............Bego............. Bardsley...Shawx..Wilson...Pieters .........N'Zonzi..Whelan.......... Odemwingie...Ireland...Arnautovic ............Diouf................ Don't get me wrong, I like Wingie - he's one of my favourite players. However, he does look better in the centre - he isn't a naturally wide player. But, more importantly, he's at an age where he isn't going to play 90 minutes every game and he's only under contract to the end of this season and he's not going to be first choice in a year's time. So we'd need to replace him next season if not this season. If there is a chance of getting Yarmolenko (and I do have my doubts) then we should get him whilst we have the chance. Wingie would be perfect back up for him and would get to play cup games and sub appearances - it might even extend Wingie's useful career at Stoke for a further 12 months. Certainly, there would not be many Prem clubs with two such good options on the wide right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 10:01:26 GMT
"no interest in posting on this board regularly" where can i get that smily you won't need it harry...**************'s deleted his account anyway
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2014 10:06:41 GMT
Wouldn't mind him coming here, but he will be an expensive player. Is he really much better than Odemwingie? I think we rather should pay £5-6M for Redmond and let Arnie and Wingie keep up where they left last season (I know Wingie played the striker role too!). This is a decent starting 11 to me! ..............Bego............. Bardsley...Shawx..Wilson...Pieters .........N'Zonzi..Whelan.......... Odemwingie...Ireland...Arnautovic ............Diouf................ Don't get me wrong, I like Wingie - he's one of my favourite players. However, he does look better in the centre - he isn't a naturally wide player. But, more importantly, he's at an age where he isn't going to play 90 minutes every game and he's only under contract to the end of this season and he's not going to be first choice in a year's time. So we'd need to replace him next season if not this season. If there is a chance of getting Yarmolenko (and I do have my doubts) then we should get him whilst we have the chance. Wingie would be perfect back up for him and would get to play cup games and sub appearances - it might even extend Wingie's useful career at Stoke for a further 12 months. Certainly, there would not be many Prem clubs with two such good options on the wide right. I was among those people who were very sceptic about bringing Odemwingie to Stoke, but he really proved to be our most valuble player for the second part of the season (my opinion). What I saw of him in the WC still makes me believe he is the man for Stoke. I would without a shadow of a doubt put him on the right side in my first 11. Redmond would be a perfect replacement when PO starts to fade, but I can't see that happen this or next season! Extend his contract is my advice to the men at the top!
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Post by MadMarko10 on Jul 30, 2014 10:10:57 GMT
where can i get that smily you won't need it harry...**************'s deleted his account anyway Seriously? Wow, ************** in "meltdown shocker"..
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Post by Gods on Jul 30, 2014 10:12:17 GMT
I'm surprised at how many folks seem happy to have Odemwingie on the bench.
He lit up the second half of our season because make no mistake we were in the brown stuff in January.
If it ain't broke don't fix it and all that...
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 30, 2014 10:17:33 GMT
Agreed about Odermwingoe but can see Lakeland's point too. However, Redmond is not a natural replacement for PO. Odemwingie gives us goals too and is not a natural winger. I can't see him being a first pick in the 2015/2016 season at all but he's got lots to give still and deserves to start this season but he needs to get back with the lads asap. Hopefully he won't go to the ACON tournament and can cover for Diouf. I think he'll get plenty of playing time but not 90 minutes every game as once we have a new winger, our options will be greater.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 30, 2014 10:18:14 GMT
I'm surprised at how many folks seem happy to have Odemwingie on the bench. He lit up the second half of our season because make no mistake we were in the brown stuff in January. If it ain't broke don't fix it and all that... I think it's mostly, as Lakeland says, he's cracking on a bit. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure he's not gonna go wank overnight, but we're gonna have to get him replaced at some point, so it may as well be now, since we genuinely seem to be building a massive squad capable of winning cups and trying to get to Europe again. I love Wingie, but I never genuinely thought he was bought as anything other than a stop-gap player. He certainly paid off with his form, but he's definitely not a long-term solution. If we could get another Arnie type player for the right then we'd be devastating, the amount of options we'd have would be genuinely immense. Wingie or not, RM/RW is definitely the gapingly obvious hole in the squad in total, so might as well try and beef out or options there with better than we already have than just "back-up".
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 30, 2014 10:50:46 GMT
I'm surprised at how many folks seem happy to have Odemwingie on the bench. He lit up the second half of our season because make no mistake we were in the brown stuff in January. If it ain't broke don't fix it and all that... I think at the moment for me its Wingie's place to lose however at the same time we do need to sort some sort of long term succession plan out. However whose to say that if we bought in somebody like Yarmolenko that him and Arnie would still be here next year they could leave before Wingie does.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2014 10:59:03 GMT
I'm surprised at how many folks seem happy to have Odemwingie on the bench. He lit up the second half of our season because make no mistake we were in the brown stuff in January. If it ain't broke don't fix it and all that... I think at the moment for me its Wingie's place to lose however at the same time we do need to sort some sort of long term succession plan out. However whose to say that if we bought in somebody like Yarmolenko that him and Arnie would still be here next year they could leave before Wingie does. If they did leave within 12 months, the chances are that they would leave for considerably more than we paid for them. We really aren't a selling club these days in that we don't NEED to sell any of our best players. If they did leave then the money we got for them would not only fund their replacements but probably a big slice of their replacement's wages as well. Either way we win. We either have two good players still on the books or we'd have a decent profit - most of which would be available for investment in the squad.
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Post by steve66 on Jul 30, 2014 11:00:50 GMT
Begovic Bardsley. Shawcross. Huth. Pieters
Cameron. Nzonzi. Muniesa
Odemwingie. Arnatouvic
Diouf
My alternative side, don't know where I fit Bojan in, what a great dilemma for MH!
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 30, 2014 11:00:57 GMT
The bigger worry for me would be if Hughes left. Then we might be in the Southampton situation where the players are choosing to leave. We have been able to sign a number of players based on the Hughes factor, would they stay if he left? On the other hand and assuming Hughes is here for the long term, I believe players are more likely to stay with him in charge as he is ambitious to progress and win things.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 30, 2014 11:13:05 GMT
We're worrying about things that may or may not happen in a year's time. Relax and enjoy the ride.
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Post by Claus_SCFC on Jul 30, 2014 11:17:08 GMT
Begovic Bardsley. Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Cameron. Nzonzi. Muniesa Odemwingie. Arnatouvic Diouf My alternative side, don't know where I fit Bojan in, what a great dilemma for MH! I often wonder why so many on here see Muniesa as a future midfielder, when all his coaches so far has seen him as a defender? Not being strong enough to be a PL central defender doesn't automatically make you a midfielder ......
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Jul 30, 2014 11:18:32 GMT
We're worrying about things that may or may not happen in a year's time. Relax and enjoy the ride. This is stoke we got to worry about something
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 30, 2014 11:19:40 GMT
As it stands my team for Villa would be Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Wingie Bojan/SI/Adam Arnie Diouf And no, before any smart arse suggests it, playing 13 players would indeed give us an unfair advantage! As it stands I really don't know who I'd start with out of Bojan, Ireland and Adam. Ireland (you would think) is ahead of Charlie in MH's plans but does he see Bojan in that role? If he does perhaps given his quite obvious quality perhaps he'll get the nod? Decisions, decisions!
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jul 30, 2014 11:24:30 GMT
Don't hedge your bets Jamo. What would your team be, never mind what the manager is thinking?
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 30, 2014 11:27:40 GMT
Don't hedge your bets Jamo. What would your team be, never mind what the manager is thinking? I think I'd stick with Ireland, mate and bring Bojan on after an hour if needed. I think!
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 30, 2014 11:28:09 GMT
The bigger worry for me would be if Hughes left. Then we might be in the Southampton situation where the players are choosing to leave. We have been able to sign a number of players based on the Hughes factor, would they stay if he left? On the other hand and assuming Hughes is here for the long term, I believe players are more likely to stay with him in charge as he is ambitious to progress and win things. I wouldn't worry. MH has still to prove himself to the big clubs before they start becoming interested in him. He wasn't a huge success at ManC although he had a huge budget to work with, so he has a lot to prove (which I'm quite sure he will) before any big club is going to make an approach. As for the other clubs. If MH does well again this season, you could see the likes of Newcastle being interested in him as they are always wanting to get into Europe and maybe Everton if the jobs become vacant, which they regularly do at Newcastle. As for MH, I'm sure he is happy working for PC and has a to prove a few things to people. I'm sure he would not want to go to another small club, but may become frustrated at Stoke with the small ground, limited budget, and lack of media interest. Maybe in time he could move onto one of the bigger clubs, but I doubt it will be for a few seasons yet.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 30, 2014 11:31:56 GMT
As it stands my team for Villa would be Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Wingie Bojan/SI/Adam Arnie Diouf And no, before any smart arse suggests it, playing 13 players would indeed give us an unfair advantage! As it stands I really don't know who I'd start with out of Bojan, Ireland and Adam. Ireland (you would think) is ahead of Charlie in MH's plans but does he see Bojan in that role? If he does perhaps given his quite obvious quality perhaps he'll get the nod? Decisions, decisions! Adam just doesn't "work" in the "hole" - i.e. in the Ireland position. Hughes has usually played Adam closer to Whelan and pushed NZonzi further forward in place of Ireland. Too many compromises to my mind. Adam scores goals - but, for me, we make too many sacrifices to team shape to fit him into the system - and rightly or wrongly he seems to be a red card waiting to happen, his tackling is shocking. If we got a bid of more than we paid for him, I'd take it if I were Hughes.
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Post by steakandchips on Jul 30, 2014 11:35:33 GMT
Away
Bego
Pieters Huth Shawcross Wilson Bardsley
N'Zonzi Sidwell
Bojan Diouf Arnie
Home
Bego
Pieters Huth Shawcross Bardsley
N'Zonzi Sidwell
Ireland
Diouf Bojan Arnie
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 30, 2014 11:38:29 GMT
The bigger worry for me would be if Hughes left. Then we might be in the Southampton situation where the players are choosing to leave. We have been able to sign a number of players based on the Hughes factor, would they stay if he left? On the other hand and assuming Hughes is here for the long term, I believe players are more likely to stay with him in charge as he is ambitious to progress and win things. I wouldn't worry. MH has still to prove himself to the big clubs before they start becoming interested in him. He wasn't a huge success at ManC although he had a huge budget to work with, so he has a lot to prove (which I'm quite sure he will) before any big club is going to make an approach. As for the other clubs. If MH does well again this season, you could see the likes of Newcastle being interested in him as they are always wanting to get into Europe and maybe Everton if the jobs become vacant, which they regularly do at Newcastle. As for MH, I'm sure he is happy working for PC and has a to prove a few things to people. I'm sure he would not want to go to another small club, but may become frustrated at Stoke with the small ground, limited budget, and lack of media interest. Maybe in time he could move onto one of the bigger clubs, but I doubt it will be for a few seasons yet. That's my view as well which is why I am less concerned about losing key players. IF we can qualify for Europe next season he will be locked in for another year. I believe we will keep him long term provided our owners share his ambitions which I believe they do. Having difficulty waiting for the season to start.
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Post by hanibal7 on Jul 30, 2014 11:41:31 GMT
Don't get me wrong, I like Wingie - he's one of my favourite players. However, he does look better in the centre - he isn't a naturally wide player. But, more importantly, he's at an age where he isn't going to play 90 minutes every game and he's only under contract to the end of this season and he's not going to be first choice in a year's time. So we'd need to replace him next season if not this season. If there is a chance of getting Yarmolenko (and I do have my doubts) then we should get him whilst we have the chance. Wingie would be perfect back up for him and would get to play cup games and sub appearances - it might even extend Wingie's useful career at Stoke for a further 12 months. Certainly, there would not be many Prem clubs with two such good options on the wide right. I was among those people who were very sceptic about bringing Odemwingie to Stoke, but he really proved to be our most valuble player for the second part of the season (my opinion). What I saw of him in the WC still makes me believe he is the man for Stoke. I would without a shadow of a doubt put him on the right side in my first 11. Redmond would be a perfect replacement when PO starts to fade, but I can't see that happen this or next season! Extend his contract is my advice to the men at the top! Is he up to speed yet
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 30, 2014 11:41:57 GMT
As it stands my team for Villa would be Bego Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters Whelan N'Zonzi Wingie Bojan/SI/Adam Arnie Diouf And no, before any smart arse suggests it, playing 13 players would indeed give us an unfair advantage! As it stands I really don't know who I'd start with out of Bojan, Ireland and Adam. Ireland (you would think) is ahead of Charlie in MH's plans but does he see Bojan in that role? If he does perhaps given his quite obvious quality perhaps he'll get the nod? Decisions, decisions! Adam just doesn't "work" in the "hole" - i.e. in the Ireland position. Hughes has usually played Adam closer to Whelan and pushed NZonzi further forward in place of Ireland. Too many compromises to my mind. Adam scores goals - but, for me, we make too many sacrifices to team shape to fit him into the system - and rightly or wrongly he seems to be a red card waiting to happen, his tackling is shocking. If we got a bid of more than we paid for him, I'd take it if I were Hughes. Charlie is a real head scratcher for me as I can't help but like him as a player. I think he's too progressive to play the holding role in this team but doesn't quite have the fluidity to play behind the striker in the advanced midfield role. BUT he gives us so much drive and enthusiasm (as well as vital goals). He's a great player to bring off the bench but he deserves better than that in all honesty.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jul 30, 2014 11:44:02 GMT
I was among those people who were very sceptic about bringing Odemwingie to Stoke, but he really proved to be our most valuble player for the second part of the season (my opinion). What I saw of him in the WC still makes me believe he is the man for Stoke. I would without a shadow of a doubt put him on the right side in my first 11. Redmond would be a perfect replacement when PO starts to fade, but I can't see that happen this or next season! Extend his contract is my advice to the men at the top! Is he up to speed yet He has got more pace than our alternatives!
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Post by block27row27 on Jul 30, 2014 12:17:38 GMT
I seriously think we need to offload a few before we bring in anybody else. At least 3 of the following: Shotton (As much as i like the guy), walters, ness, wilko, shea (possibly), jerome, palacios.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 12:26:22 GMT
Begovic Bardsley. Shawcross. Huth. Pieters Cameron. Nzonzi. Muniesa Odemwingie. Arnatouvic Diouf My alternative side, don't know where I fit Bojan in, what a great dilemma for MH! I often wonder why so many on here see Muniesa as a future midfielder, when all his coaches so far has seen him as a defender? Not being strong enough to be a PL central defender doesn't automatically make you a midfielder ...... That's an easy answer. None of us really have the first fucking clue what we are talking about when it comes to the crunch
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