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Post by foxysgloves on Jul 28, 2014 22:13:30 GMT
What a load of tripe! Particularly Bardsley and sidwell valuation Not when you look at some of the deals happening at the moment I think he's not far off. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 28, 2014 22:15:00 GMT
I like the way were doing business though it would be nice to spend money on the odd gem. I think the players we've got so far will certainly be worth more at the end of the season than when we bought them. It's only because of the length of there contracts we got them so cheap. Diouf - Potential 10m player Bojan - Sky's the limit Sidwell - 4-5m player Bardsley - 4-5m player Tex - A lot of potential What a load of tripe! Particularly Bardsley and sidwell valuation I reckon that that Bardsley valuation is the only one that's close, regular solid Prem player worth 4mil every day of the week. |
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Post by pedro23 on Jul 28, 2014 22:29:25 GMT
5 players in, average wage £30k per week, equates to £1.5 million each per annum, so £7.5m per annum in total wages, average contract duration 4 years, is a commitment to £30 million over 4 years, add in £2 million of transfer fees and another £3 million in agent and signing on fees and there you have £35 million committed over the first 2 months of the summer. It is more than likely we will be losing 5 players who could average 30k per week by the time the season starts. Matty already gone, Jerome will be going, hopefully Palacios, then take 2 from Shotton, Shea and Ness. If one of Crouch or Walters goes, then average savings would rise. So all of a sudden that 35m commitment doesn't look so big. |
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Post by Gods on Jul 28, 2014 23:33:49 GMT
5 players in, average wage £30k per week, equates to £1.5 million each per annum, so £7.5m per annum in total wages, average contract duration 4 years, is a commitment to £30 million over 4 years, add in £2 million of transfer fees and another £3 million in agent and signing on fees and there you have £35 million committed over the first 2 months of the summer. It is more than likely we will be losing 5 players who could average 30k per week by the time the season starts. Matty already gone, Jerome will be going, hopefully Palacios, then take 2 from Shotton, Shea and Ness. If one of Crouch or Walters goes, then average savings would rise. So all of a sudden that 35m commitment doesn't look so big. Matty has certainly gone and I am sure the hope is the other players you mention will leave too. But honestly I am not convinced there is a market for any of them, not one where another employer would match their wages at Stoke anyway, so they are perfectly entitled to sit tight. I think it is more likely we will lose 1 or 2 maximum of the other players you mention and additionally lose someone we would rather have kept to make up some of the difference. |
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Post by jarhead on Jul 29, 2014 6:10:46 GMT
We only spent 5...We only spent 5ivvvveeee....you Spent 50mil...We only spent 5.....
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 29, 2014 6:25:43 GMT
Previous transfer dealings: Peter Crouch - £11 million Wilson Palacios - £6 million Dean Whitehead - £5 million Jon Walters - £3 million Dave Kitson - £5 million Seyi Olofinpyjamas - £3 million Kenwyne Jones - £8 million Recent Transfer dealings Bojan Krkic - Nominal Phil Bardsley - Free Steve Sidwell - Free Marc Muniesa - Free Erik Pieters - £3 million Marko Arnautovic - £2 million Mame Biram Diouf - Free Peter Odemwingie - Swap deal Yeah I think I prefer the not spending a great deal and looking abroad strategy. I know you're being selective with your transfers but if your suggesting walters for 3mil was bad business... well, you're opinion is wrong. I don't think that Walters for £3 million was bad business at all. But I suspect that Muniesa for free and Arnie for £2 million may well turn out to be better business. The fact is (and it annoys me but it is a fact) that buying middle ranked players from abroad tends to get you much better value for money than buying similar quality in England. OK, it is a gamble and you might buy a few who can't adapt to the Premier League. But, overall, the chances are that buying players from abroad will work out cheaper (for the same quality) in the long run. In the later days of TP's reign we were spending too much on players - many of who were not value for money. If you remember we were something like the 4th highest net spenders in our first 4 years in the Prem. That couldn't go on - and an inevitable consequence was the current period of belt tightening. The fact that we are still bringing in quality players despite the spending restrictions Hughes is working under, is something to be celebrated not criticised. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 6:31:33 GMT
I see a big profit looming.
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Post by harrysburrow on Jul 29, 2014 7:11:39 GMT
Nifty and thrifty.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 29, 2014 7:14:14 GMT
i reckon our outlay so far for next seasons transfer fees is about 4 million.not exactly going for it are we ?
Same as last season... yet we finished with more points, finished in the top half and played better football. Work that out Poirot.
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Post by potter25 on Jul 29, 2014 8:06:49 GMT
I see a big profit looming. And unlike some other clubs we should be able to re invest that profit... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 8:13:50 GMT
We are paying more in wages now than at any other point in our history. This is absolutely the case. Free transfers aint free. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 8:17:24 GMT
I know you're being selective with your transfers but if your suggesting walters for 3mil was bad business... well, you're opinion is wrong. I don't think that Walters for £3 million was bad business at all. But I suspect that Muniesa for free and Arnie for £2 million may well turn out to be better business. If either turn out to be better business than SJW, then we'll be doing very well thankyou. Much as I respect the talents of messrs. Muniesa & Arnautovic. Muniesa is our man for the future, i'm certain of it. |
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 29, 2014 18:03:39 GMT
i reckon our outlay so far for next seasons transfer fees is about 4 million.not exactly going for it are we ?
Same as last season... yet we finished with more points, finished in the top half and played better football. Work that out Poirot.
ahh i see,so because we had a good season,we dont need to bring in proven class players.our rivals will be chuffed with that attitude . |
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Jul 29, 2014 18:06:37 GMT
Last season's summer was probably the best transfer window in a long time. I'm certainly not going to complain if they are trying to replicate it. And neither should you.
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 29, 2014 18:29:19 GMT
Last season's summer was probably the best transfer window in a long time. I'm certainly not going to complain if they are trying to replicate it. And neither should you. i thought our days of shopping in the bargain bin were behind us.sidwell and bardsley are very average in the prem,diouf better be a far better player than he was the last time he "graced" the prem,and bojan is a gamble,a very big gamble,we need proven class which costs money. |
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 29, 2014 18:34:29 GMT
Last season's summer was probably the best transfer window in a long time. I'm certainly not going to complain if they are trying to replicate it. And neither should you. i thought our days of shopping in the bargain bin were behind us.sidwell and bardsley are very average in the prem,diouf better be a far better player than he was the last time he "graced" the prem,and bojan is a gamble,a very big gamble,we need proven class which costs money. Like who? |
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 29, 2014 18:37:57 GMT
i thought our days of shopping in the bargain bin were behind us.sidwell and bardsley are very average in the prem,diouf better be a far better player than he was the last time he "graced" the prem,and bojan is a gamble,a very big gamble,we need proven class which costs money. Like who? im a supporter mate,ur asking the wrong bloke,we have a manager who gets well paid to pick our targets,sadly i think our chairman has capped his "spending" |
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Post by mark on Jul 29, 2014 18:40:41 GMT
im a supporter mate,ur asking the wrong bloke,we have a manager who gets well paid to pick our targets,sadly i think our chairman has capped his "spending" I'm glad the chairman has, we are signing better players now than when the cheque book was open. |
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Post by The Red and White Baron on Jul 29, 2014 19:16:16 GMT
Last season's summer was probably the best transfer window in a long time. I'm certainly not going to complain if they are trying to replicate it. And neither should you. i thought our days of shopping in the bargain bin were behind us.sidwell and bardsley are very average in the prem,diouf better be a far better player than he was the last time he "graced" the prem,and bojan is a gamble,a very big gamble,we need proven class which costs money. You know that spending ridiculous amounts of money doesn't guarantee quality? You only need to look at some of the shit we've overspent on to realise that. Let's wait for these guys to play before assuming they are average. |
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 29, 2014 19:28:48 GMT
i thought our days of shopping in the bargain bin were behind us.sidwell and bardsley are very average in the prem,diouf better be a far better player than he was the last time he "graced" the prem,and bojan is a gamble,a very big gamble,we need proven class which costs money. You know that spending ridiculous amounts of money doesn't guarantee quality? You only need to look at some of the shit we've overspent on to realise that. Let's wait for these guys to play before assuming they are average. these players we have signed were in the bargain bin for a reason mate,and im guessing it wasnt because they are above average . |
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Post by apb1979 on Jul 29, 2014 19:36:07 GMT
You know that spending ridiculous amounts of money doesn't guarantee quality? You only need to look at some of the shit we've overspent on to realise that. Let's wait for these guys to play before assuming they are average. these players we have signed were in the bargain bin for a reason mate,and im guessing it wasnt because they are above average . What a load of rubbish. You really do talk out of your arse. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 19:44:40 GMT
You know that spending ridiculous amounts of money doesn't guarantee quality? You only need to look at some of the shit we've overspent on to realise that. Let's wait for these guys to play before assuming they are average. these players we have signed were in the bargain bin for a reason mate,and im guessing it wasnt because they are above average . Have you seriously got nothing better to do than come on here and try and wind people up. |
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 29, 2014 19:45:46 GMT
I've seen better trolls outwitted by goats.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Jul 29, 2014 19:56:00 GMT
I've seen some fucking shit WUMs on here in the past but 1raytuper is by far the worst. It's beyond obvious.
Just don't reply fellas, he'll soon get bored.
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Post by miltonstokie on Jul 29, 2014 19:59:56 GMT
I've seen better trolls outwitted by goats. [/quote Speaking of trolls I met his sister 'poppy' a few times |
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Post by 1raytuper on Jul 29, 2014 20:00:33 GMT
I've seen some fucking shit WUMs on here in the past but 1raytuper is by far the worst. It's beyond obvious. Just don't reply fellas, he'll soon get bored. im often amazed at the amount of blinkered numptys on ere, they were in the bargain bin for a reason,im curious as to why you think they were cuz i reckon its because they are no more than average players,bojan couldnt get into the ajax side ,hardly a world beater. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 29, 2014 20:04:06 GMT
You know that spending ridiculous amounts of money doesn't guarantee quality? You only need to look at some of the shit we've overspent on to realise that. Let's wait for these guys to play before assuming they are average. these players we have signed were in the bargain bin for a reason mate,and im guessing it wasnt because they are above average . In the case of some of them (including Diouf who was a 1 in 2 player in the Bundesliga) it was because they let their contracts run down so they could move on a Bosman. |
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Jul 29, 2014 20:04:11 GMT
I imagine life gets pretty frustrating when you're a fucking idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:06:00 GMT
I've seen some fucking shit WUMs on here in the past but 1raytuper is by far the worst. It's beyond obvious. Just don't reply fellas, he'll soon get bored. im often amazed at the amount of blinkered numptys on ere, they were in the bargain bin for a reason,im curious as to why you think they were cuz i reckon its because they are no more than average players,bojan couldnt get into the ajax side ,hardly a world beater. What and Wilson Palacios is? Because one player costs a bit more money then another doesn't make him a better player. Going to be generous and give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you're trolling but if you're not then I pity whoever spends time with you because you sir are a retard |
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Post by MadMarko10 on Jul 29, 2014 20:08:37 GMT
I've seen some fucking shit WUMs on here in the past but 1raytuper is by far the worst. It's beyond obvious. Just don't reply fellas, he'll soon get bored. im often amazed at the amount of blinkered numptys on ere, they were in the bargain bin for a reason,im curious as to why you think they were cuz i reckon its because they are no more than average players,bojan couldnt get into the ajax side ,hardly a world beater. I'm often amazed as to why people reply to you as if you're being serious. You're a WUM. |
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