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Post by britsabroad on Jul 28, 2014 8:07:04 GMT
Where's he going to go though? Chelsea have Cech and Courtois. City have Hart. United have De Gea. Arsenal have Szczesny. If Liverpool arent sold on Mignolet then maybe there, but he was equal to Bego before the move and I dont think theyd turn their back on him yet. The only option is abroad, and Barcelona/Madrid aside noone is going to pay silly money. Have we struck a deal with Barcelona, similar to that of Ryan and Man U a few seasons ago. Maybe that's why we are getting some decent deals pushed our way. Just a thought. Barcelona have Ter Stegen now though. The only big team I can see coming in is Madrid, either of them. God knows whats going on with goalkeepers at Real, and Athletico just lost Courtois.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 2, 2014 8:55:21 GMT
After yesterday's Geoff debrief, we get part 2 of the Gary Mellor-Martin Spinks phone call. Sentinel
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Post by robwahlmann on Aug 2, 2014 9:03:11 GMT
If Bego signs a long term contract at Stoke, let's say 5 years, would it be right to hang on to Butland? If Southampton then bid £8-10M for him wouldn't it be right to sell both for the player and the club's sake? Think it's important that Butland gets the chance to make the most out of his potential both for himself and England. He deserves to play regularly at the best level to achieve this in my opinion!
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Post by Trouserdog on Aug 2, 2014 9:33:11 GMT
After yesterday's Geoff debrief, we get part 2 of the Gary Mellor-Martin Spinks phone call. SentinelI really wish Spinks would learn the difference between an inquiry and an enquiry.
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Post by foam on Aug 2, 2014 10:12:13 GMT
After yesterday's Geoff debrief, we get part 2 of the Gary Mellor-Martin Spinks phone call. SentinelI really wish Spinks would learn the difference between an inquiry and an enquiry. Bought and Brought may be a challenge too.
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Post by madasasnake on Aug 2, 2014 21:43:20 GMT
Digressing slightly mate Southampton have just sold or on verge of selling five of their 1st team for over £20m and another whose played only 18 games for £16m!!!! If that's the bar we have many who are worth well into double figures True enough Wezza but you know what our reputations like. As soon as the word Stoke is mentioned the price drops significantly I'd say our next most expensive assets behind Bego are Arnie and Shawcross at about £8 million. Relatively speaking given the cost of Southampton players etc you'd think they'd be worth more but in reality I doubt it. I think quite a few clubs are going to look pretty stupid next season given the stupid money they've spunked on average shite. I genuinely feel like of all the clubs in the league we have got the best value for money thus far. Diouf and Bojan for fuck all is outstanding work by our transfer team. Whilst I agree with both of you, I think that there is something else to consider. Liverpool were apparently very keen on Begovic last summer but were told that he would cost £15M. They bought Migonlet for £11m if I remember correctly? Forgetting Garth Crooks' Team of the Week for a moment, if you went away to Anfield on the first Saturday of last Season, Begovic was worth £40M if Mignolet was worth £11M. We should have been 7-0 or 7-1 or 2 down before SJW missed the penalty. There just seems to be a reluctance to pay the appropriate fee for a Keeper? We all know at Stoke how important they are; we've had Banks, Shilton, Fox etc and now Begovic and Butland, but I do wonder whether some clubs overlook their value? There seem to be many clubs that will happily pay £10M more for a midfielder or striker that they want but will then shirk at another £4M for their goalkeeper. I have no doubt in my own mind that Butland should be our second choice keeper, but how the club achieve that whilst continuing his education and keeping him happy is beyond me.
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Post by slpmarc on Aug 2, 2014 23:02:25 GMT
Stoke are looking at clubs to loan Jack out too, but are aware they cannot agree to a loan deal in case a big bid comes in for Begovic, as Stoke won't stand in Begovic's way if the right deal comes in for him
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 23:16:51 GMT
From the moment we signed him, Butland has looked like the right signing at the wrong time.
If we sell Bego now, I think we'd be severely weakening the team by playing Butland, and in my opinion, we'd still need to put someone more established in goal. If we don't sell Bego, then Butland will presumably start to worry about his future and might want away. It's a shame because he could have a very big future ahead of him. I hope it's with us, but I have this sneaky feeling it won't be.
A move to Southampton could be a win-win situation for all concerned, given their new found riches.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 2, 2014 23:53:35 GMT
From the moment we signed him, Butland has looked like the right signing at the wrong time. If we sell Bego now, I think we'd be severely weakening the team by playing Butland, and in my opinion, we'd still need to put someone more established in goal. If we don't sell Bego, then Butland will presumably start to worry about his future and might want away. It's a shame because he could have a very big future ahead of him. I hope it's with us, but I have this sneaky feeling it won't be. A move to Southampton could be a win-win situation for all concerned, given their new found riches. I can't see us getting much more, if any, than we originally paid for him. Edit, if we sold him of course and tbh, I can't see that happening.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 0:12:47 GMT
From the moment we signed him, Butland has looked like the right signing at the wrong time. If we sell Bego now, I think we'd be severely weakening the team by playing Butland, and in my opinion, we'd still need to put someone more established in goal. If we don't sell Bego, then Butland will presumably start to worry about his future and might want away. It's a shame because he could have a very big future ahead of him. I hope it's with us, but I have this sneaky feeling it won't be. A move to Southampton could be a win-win situation for all concerned, given their new found riches. I can't see us getting much more, if any, than we originally paid for him. Edit, if we sold him of course and tbh, I can't see that happening. That's why I mentioned Southampton specifically. They were referred to as having an interest in him, and any player they sign they'll have to pay top dollar for because of their new found riches. Butland's stock has neither risen nor fallen since he joined us, but we don't need to sell, at least not desperately, and fees in general have gone up. I'd expect us to make a small profit if we sold him to anyone else, but Southampton are going to have to get used to paying more. I don't think we'll sell him as long as he's happy here. Whether he stays happy here is the bit that concerns me.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 3, 2014 0:29:29 GMT
I can't see us getting much more, if any, than we originally paid for him. Edit, if we sold him of course and tbh, I can't see that happening. That's why I mentioned Southampton specifically. They were referred to as having an interest in him, and any player they sign they'll have to pay top dollar for because of their new found riches. Butland's stock has neither risen nor fallen since he joined us, but we don't need to sell, at least not desperately, and fees in general have gone up. I'd expect us to make a small profit if we sold him to anyone else, but Southampton are going to have to get used to paying more. I don't think we'll sell him as long as he's happy here. Whether he stays happy here is the bit that concerns me. I figured that's why you mentioned them but I can't see them splashing the cash that much, they need quite a few players and still have a pretty big pile of debt to pay off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 1:19:08 GMT
That's why I mentioned Southampton specifically. They were referred to as having an interest in him, and any player they sign they'll have to pay top dollar for because of their new found riches. Butland's stock has neither risen nor fallen since he joined us, but we don't need to sell, at least not desperately, and fees in general have gone up. I'd expect us to make a small profit if we sold him to anyone else, but Southampton are going to have to get used to paying more. I don't think we'll sell him as long as he's happy here. Whether he stays happy here is the bit that concerns me. I figured that's why you mentioned them but I can't see them splashing the cash that much, they need quite a few players and still have a pretty big pile of debt to pay off. I've seen varying reports of their financial situation ranging from "debt free" to "oh dear," so basically, I've no idea what the situation is. I'd be amazed though if they manage to buy a single player that the selling club don't lump a couple of million on just because it's Southampton. According to the Sentinel report, Butland doesn't fancy a move there anyway, so I don't suppose it really matters.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 13:08:38 GMT
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Post by superscfc on Aug 4, 2014 13:26:36 GMT
Surprised Palace haven't made an enquiry, Tone must be interested in a keeper?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:31:45 GMT
Surprised Palace haven't made an enquiry, Tone must be interested in a keeper? he'll probably just shoehorn bolassie into goal and see what happens
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Post by withnall on Aug 4, 2014 13:35:53 GMT
Surprised Palace haven't made an enquiry, Tone must be interested in a keeper? It's not deadline day yet.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2014 13:36:16 GMT
I considered this an od transfer at the time and I've seen nothing that's changed my mind on the matter.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 4, 2014 13:42:39 GMT
I considered this an od transfer at the time and I've seen nothing that's changed my mind on the matter. We must have been expecting to be presented with an offer we couldn't refuse for Begovic before now. I bet Butland certainly did! Until it happens, it's turning into a very strange situation for Butland as a professional loanee - particularly as we're still not entirely sure if he'd be capable of stepping in as No.1 when the time comes.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2014 13:45:52 GMT
I considered this an od transfer at the time and I've seen nothing that's changed my mind on the matter. We must have been expecting to be presented with an offer we couldn't refuse for Begovic before now. I bet Butland certainly did! Until it happens, it's turning into a very strange situation for Butland as a professional loanee - particularly as we're still not entirely sure if he'd be capable of stepping in as No.1 when the time comes. Yeah I think he was bought in as a ready made replacement for the Bego departure but no thought seems to have been given to how he may be used if we kept hold of Bego or if he proved not to be ready for regular top flight football. It's certainly ballsed up his career in the short term.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2014 13:52:52 GMT
Forest would be ideal for Butland. As you said FM the Pearce links are there, plus they'll be pushing for promotion so they're probably almost on par with lower premier league teams (bottom 3). I think it'd be as good as it gets without him being in the Premier League.
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Post by Gods on Aug 4, 2014 13:57:17 GMT
I considered this an od transfer at the time and I've seen nothing that's changed my mind on the matter. In truth I think we 'lucked out' on the Bego transfer when we were really after David James and just hoped the same thing would happen again the next time we went in for a young keeper with promise. It may do yet but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by mccfred on Aug 4, 2014 14:04:43 GMT
Even though it looks like Bego may be staying, the future is always uncertain. Its best we loan him out, and help develop him further.
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Post by jeycov on Aug 4, 2014 15:07:57 GMT
Even though it looks like Bego may be staying, the future is always uncertain. Its best we loan him out, and help develop him further. Plus he will be part of the home grown quota if he stays on our books - potentially important as we are signing and showing interest further afield. Not sure how that works if he is our player but on loan?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 24, 2014 8:08:28 GMT
Nixon claims Bolton want him for the season
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Post by liathroid on Aug 24, 2014 9:01:34 GMT
Nixon claims Bolton want him for the season needs to be playing
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2014 15:50:40 GMT
Captaining the U-21s in Lithuania. KO at 5pm. LINK HEREOdd that these games are rarely on televison these days. And equally odd that there's no word on any loan move for him. Presumably one will turn up in the next few weeks.
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Post by werrington on Sept 5, 2014 15:53:31 GMT
Captaining the U-21s in Lithuania. KO at 5pm. LINK HEREOdd that these games are rarely on televison these days. And equally odd that there's no word on any loan move for him. Presumably one will turn up in the next few weeks. When does the loan market open again ?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Sept 5, 2014 15:56:29 GMT
We need to sort out a two year loan for him, with a recall option on the second year, so he knows where he's going to be for a bit, he's wasted sitting around doing nothing.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 5, 2014 15:57:01 GMT
Next week apparently.
Hopefully there's some Championship team who wants him - but it's hard to accommodate a keeper for only few months, isn't it? It means putting a permanently-contracted keeper's nose out of joint, and what happens when Butland leaves?
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Post by werrington on Sept 5, 2014 16:04:50 GMT
Next week apparently. Hopefully there's some Championship team who wants him - but it's hard to accommodate a keeper for only few months, isn't it? It means putting a permanently-contracted keeper's nose out of joint, and what happens when Butland leaves? We had a recall clause last season mate as we recalled him for the Newcastle game
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