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Post by harryburrows on Jul 27, 2014 21:30:54 GMT
doesnt your decline to comment you just stated on the other decline to comment on your reasons you originally declined to comment constitute a comment ? I really wouldn't like to comment on whether it does or not, Harry glad you cleared that up malcolm , ps mark brindle says hello
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 27, 2014 21:59:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 22:04:41 GMT
Hopefully Malcolm Clarke will be able to give you the answers you seek Mumf! I suspect that, these days, expenses are more tightly controlled than they would have been years ago. That was certainly the case in my job. There is an expenses policy ( as in most organisations) defining what you can claim for. Claims have to be backed up by receipts. It's basically just travel, and occasionally hotels where the timing of an event justifies it or where you have meetings on successive days at Wembley. An attendance fee of of £120 is also paid. In my case that is paid over to the supporters movement. I know that some Council members do not claim it, in some cases because they are paid employees ( e.g CEOs of County FAs or Football Clubs) and do it in work time. Your assumption, mumf, that people only do something for the money is quite wrong. In my case, over the years as self-employed person, I have lost a lot of income from my football roles. I'm not complaining about that - it's my choice, but must correct your assumption. I know the same is true for other members of the FA Council, some of whom have given a lifetime of voluntary service to the game, at County level and elsewhere. My assumption was bang on correct. My assumption was that these people get paid a lot more money for these meetings than many people get paid for a days work. ! You've just said that they get £ 120 plus expenses. If they are paid employes like those you mention , they can also claim it . The fact that some don't because they are paid employees is hardly something to applaud is it. ? Considering how many committees there are , and how many meetings are held then the bill for all this must be colossal....more than an Arsenal season ticket I would guess. If as you claim some don't claim this money , then fair do's ....but the cynic in me would have to say I bet there's not many. Those that don't are already those that are getting paid anyway. The expenses alone for someone travelling from the North and staying in a hotel must be at least another £ 200 ....so that adds up to £320 per person and this is merely scratching the surface. I can tell you know , without fear of contradiction that outside of the 'football bubble' most fair minded people will wonder if we are getting value for money ... My daughter is doing a PhD and earns £13000 and works 12 hours a day by comparison . She too does voluntary work where no expenses are paid but does it because she wants to. I'll leave you to ponder...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 22:07:41 GMT
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Post by thevoid on Jul 27, 2014 22:31:06 GMT
Indeed. Apparently this is the only woman on the FA board: This is a woman? Looks like her acting work has dried up: Attachment Deleted
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Jul 27, 2014 22:44:59 GMT
There is an expenses policy ( as in most organisations) defining what you can claim for. Claims have to be backed up by receipts. It's basically just travel, and occasionally hotels where the timing of an event justifies it or where you have meetings on successive days at Wembley. An attendance fee of of £120 is also paid. In my case that is paid over to the supporters movement. I know that some Council members do not claim it, in some cases because they are paid employees ( e.g CEOs of County FAs or Football Clubs) and do it in work time. Your assumption, mumf, that people only do something for the money is quite wrong. In my case, over the years as self-employed person, I have lost a lot of income from my football roles. I'm not complaining about that - it's my choice, but must correct your assumption. I know the same is true for other members of the FA Council, some of whom have given a lifetime of voluntary service to the game, at County level and elsewhere. My assumption was bang on correct. My assumption was that these people get paid a lot more money for these meetings than many people get paid for a days work. ! You've just said that they get £ 120 plus expenses. If they are paid employes like those you mention , they can also claim it . The fact that some don't because they are paid employees is hardly something to applaud is it. ? Considering how many committees there are , and how many meetings are held then the bill for all this must be colossal....more than an Arsenal season ticket I would guess. If as you claim some don't claim this money , then fair do's ....but the cynic in me would have to say I bet there's not many. Those that don't are already those that are getting paid anyway. The expenses alone for someone travelling from the North and staying in a hotel must be at least another £ 200 ....so that adds up to £320 per person and this is merely scratching the surface. I can tell you know , without fear of contradiction that outside of the 'football bubble' most fair minded people will wonder if we are getting value for money ... My daughter is doing a PhD and earns £13000 and works 12 hours a day by comparison . She too does voluntary work where no expenses are paid but does it because she wants to. I'll leave you to ponder... As far as I can tell this is the organisation that runs the whole football operation throughout the entire country isn't it? How do you propose all of this would get organised for cheaper?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 22:53:07 GMT
Pay them less.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 6:25:06 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 6:29:38 GMT
Why not....?
Let's start with Roy Hodgson ...£ 3.5 million basic for failure.
Do you like flushing money down the shitter ?
Do they do this in Channel Isles .? Is that how they become millionaires ...?
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Post by ohbottom on Jul 28, 2014 8:49:06 GMT
Why not....? Let's start with Roy Hodgson ...£ 3.5 million basic for failure. Do you like flushing money down the shitter ? Do they do this in Channel Isles .? Is that how they become millionaires ...? Hang on, you're moving the goal posts now. The discussion was about the FA council, now you've shifted it to the England team management. I totally agree Hodgson (and his predecessors) are/were massively overpaid, but that's a different discussion.
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2014 9:12:27 GMT
Football is one massive gravy train and people are desperate to either keep or get their snouts in the trough. Let's face it, attending one of these FA meetings must be like shopping in Netto - you need a good wash after leaving.
The one plus point - how ironic that the only female on the FA committee looks like a bloke.
Fifa, Uefa, The FA - peas in a pod.
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Post by dave1975 on Jul 28, 2014 9:34:40 GMT
I don't get this whole ' there's not enough black, women, younger, transgender gerbils on the councils etc' surely there has to be enough of these people who want to sit on these councils for a start( if there is why aren't they complaining??) and also I don't really care who it is that sits on these councils only that they are the best people for the job! In conclusion there's not enough transgender gerbils out there wanting the seats ????
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 9:45:30 GMT
Why not....? Let's start with Roy Hodgson ...£ 3.5 million basic for failure. Do you like flushing money down the shitter ? Do they do this in Channel Isles .? Is that how they become millionaires ...? and Roy Hodgson's wage has fuck all to do with this thread mumf if you want to have a rant about various things then fair enough but at least make sure they're even slightly relevant to the thread
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 9:48:30 GMT
I don't get this whole ' there's not enough black, women, younger, transgender gerbils on the councils etc' surely there has to be enough of these people who want to sit on these councils for a start( if there is why aren't they complaining??) and also I don't really care who it is that sits on these councils only that they are the best people for the job! In conclusion there's not enough transgender gerbils out there wanting the seats ???? "I'd have been head of the FA council for 10 years if i wasn't a gerbil "
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 9:54:04 GMT
Why not....? Let's start with Roy Hodgson ...£ 3.5 million basic for failure. Do you like flushing money down the shitter ? Do they do this in Channel Isles .? Is that how they become millionaires ...? and Roy Hodgson's wage has fuck all to do with this thread mumf if you want to have a rant about various things then fair enough but at least make sure they're even slightly relevant to the thread Mr Mills,
Neither is his daughters qualifications, wage and charitable work .
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2014 9:58:05 GMT
Why not....? Let's start with Roy Hodgson ...£ 3.5 million basic for failure. Do you like flushing money down the shitter ? Do they do this in Channel Isles .? Is that how they become millionaires ...? and Roy Hodgson's wage has fuck all to do with this thread mumf if you want to have a rant about various things then fair enough but at least make sure they're even slightly relevant to the thread
It's entirely relevant. It tells you all you need to know about the competence of the people running our game and how they worship the coin and fuck all else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 10:03:40 GMT
and Roy Hodgson's wage has fuck all to do with this thread mumf if you want to have a rant about various things then fair enough but at least make sure they're even slightly relevant to the thread
It's entirely relevant. It tells you all you need to know about the competence of the people running our game and how they worship the coin and fuck all else.
but as has been mentioned, the people on the board that Dyke is talking about are paid travelling expenses and a fee for them turning up. i hardly think that these people are going simply so they can "worship the coin" if they're getting £120 once every god knows when and....Hodgson's wage is NOTHING to do with the council or the commission (which are what is being talked about on this thread) or any of the decisions they come to. it's nothing more than a "Oooh there's money been mentioned in this thread...oooh the FA is involved in this thread so let's lump it all together, decide the thread is about something entirely different and then we can slag people off".....extremely lazy, nothing to do with the issue involved, shows the article hasn't even been looked at and completely inaccurate! do you think Malcolm and the rest are raking it in by sitting on the council and are only doing if it for the money? or do you think they should try to support the sport that you and i love at completely their own expense while you sit on your arse doing fuck all but moan? do you think this council would even exist if people were told "Tell you what lads, you can come to meetings at Wembley but you have to fund your own transport here and find your own accomodation ok? there are people all around the UK counting on you and they can't be fucked to actually do something constructive themselves as they'd rather mouth off on a message board and don't have the wherewithall to actually do anything constructive at all but they'll whinge like fuck if we pay your train fare". to liken people being paid travel expenses to Hodgson getting £3.5 mill a year is ridiculous, intentionally trying to sensationalise matters to muddy waters just so people can moan like fuck and and comparing apples and oranges. they are 2 different subjects and not linked in any way whatsoever. basically the typical Oatcake logic of "I'm not happy unless i have something to whinge like fuck about and if there isn't anything on this thread to moan about then i'm going to intentionally mix up 2 entirely separate matters just so i can moan"
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 28, 2014 10:50:21 GMT
Indeed. Apparently this is the only woman on the FA board: This is a woman? We can see it's a woman but is she black or white? Johny Walters Mum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 11:04:08 GMT
It's entirely relevant. It tells you all you need to know about the competence of the people running our game and how they worship the coin and fuck all else.
but as has been mentioned, the people on the board that Dyke is talking about are paid travelling expenses and a fee for them turning up. i hardly think that these people are going simply so they can "worship the coin" if they're getting £120 once every god knows when and....Hodgson's wage is NOTHING to do with the council or the commission (which are what is being talked about on this thread) or any of the decisions they come to. it's nothing more than a "Oooh there's money been mentioned in this thread...oooh the FA is involved in this thread so let's lump it all together, decide the thread is about something entirely different and then we can slag people off".....extremely lazy, nothing to do with the issue involved, shows the article hasn't even been looked at and completely inaccurate! do you think Malcolm and the rest are raking it in by sitting on the council and are only doing if it for the money? or do you think they should try to support the sport that you and i love at completely their own expense while you sit on your arse doing fuck all but moan? do you think this council would even exist if people were told "Tell you what lads, you can come to meetings at Wembley but you have to fund your own transport here and find your own accomodation ok? there are people all around the UK counting on you and they can't be fucked to actually do something constructive themselves as they'd rather mouth off on a message board and don't have the wherewithall to actually do anything constructive at all but they'll whinge like fuck if we pay your train fare". to liken people being paid travel expenses to Hodgson getting £3.5 mill a year is ridiculous, intentionally trying to sensationalise matters to muddy waters just so people can moan like fuck and and comparing apples and oranges. they are 2 different subjects and not linked in any way whatsoever. basically the typical Oatcake logic of "I'm not happy unless i have something to whinge like fuck about and if there isn't anything on this thread to moan about then i'm going to intentionally mix up 2 entirely separate matters just so i can moan" If you want to happy clap the shitty failure that is British Football then by all means , but don't come on here and think you can prevent others from voicing their own opinion. The game is awash with money and it's failing... The fact that Roy Hodgson is the figure head and gets paid more than 20 prime ministers salaries should fucking tell you something , because if it doesn't then there's no point continuing to try. As for the committees and and those on the committees...A nice little earner if you can get it. I don't care what you think quite frankly , but in the long schemes of things what matters is the abysmal appalling record of British football. Furthermore , if I want to moan, or not , the prerogative is mine so tough shit . I will. Mumf
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2014 11:15:16 GMT
It's entirely relevant. It tells you all you need to know about the competence of the people running our game and how they worship the coin and fuck all else.
but as has been mentioned, the people on the board that Dyke is talking about are paid travelling expenses and a fee for them turning up. i hardly think that these people are going simply so they can "worship the coin" if they're getting £120 once every god knows when and....Hodgson's wage is NOTHING to do with the council or the commission (which are what is being talked about on this thread) or any of the decisions they come to. it's nothing more than a "Oooh there's money been mentioned in this thread...oooh the FA is involved in this thread so let's lump it all together, decide the thread is about something entirely different and then we can slag people off".....extremely lazy, nothing to do with the issue involved, shows the article hasn't even been looked at and completely inaccurate! do you think Malcolm and the rest are raking it in by sitting on the council and are only doing if it for the money? or do you think they should try to support the sport that you and i love at completely their own expense while you sit on your arse doing fuck all but moan? do you think this council would even exist if people were told "Tell you what lads, you can come to meetings at Wembley but you have to fund your own transport here and find your own accomodation ok? there are people all around the UK counting on you and they can't be fucked to actually do something constructive themselves as they'd rather mouth off on a message board and don't have the wherewithall to actually do anything constructive at all but they'll whinge like fuck if we pay your train fare". to liken people being paid travel expenses to Hodgson getting £3.5 mill a year is ridiculous, intentionally trying to sensationalise matters to muddy waters just so people can moan like fuck and and comparing apples and oranges. they are 2 different subjects and not linked in any way whatsoever. basically the typical Oatcake logic of "I'm not happy unless i have something to whinge like fuck about and if there isn't anything on this thread to moan about then i'm going to intentionally mix up 2 entirely separate matters just so i can moan"
Man alive, talk about over reaction.
The performance of the FA is woeful in virtually all areas. You'd struggle to name something they have done in recent times that benefitted football in this country. They've let a separate body run roughshod over the game and overseen a catalogue of disasters with the national team.
I don't need to look at the article - if the words The FA are mentioned you can bet your balls to a barn dance it will be about MONEY and/or INCOMPETENCE. What can I do about it - fuck all. A bit a like the FSF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 11:29:37 GMT
but as has been mentioned, the people on the board that Dyke is talking about are paid travelling expenses and a fee for them turning up. i hardly think that these people are going simply so they can "worship the coin" if they're getting £120 once every god knows when and....Hodgson's wage is NOTHING to do with the council or the commission (which are what is being talked about on this thread) or any of the decisions they come to. it's nothing more than a "Oooh there's money been mentioned in this thread...oooh the FA is involved in this thread so let's lump it all together, decide the thread is about something entirely different and then we can slag people off".....extremely lazy, nothing to do with the issue involved, shows the article hasn't even been looked at and completely inaccurate! do you think Malcolm and the rest are raking it in by sitting on the council and are only doing if it for the money? or do you think they should try to support the sport that you and i love at completely their own expense while you sit on your arse doing fuck all but moan? do you think this council would even exist if people were told "Tell you what lads, you can come to meetings at Wembley but you have to fund your own transport here and find your own accomodation ok? there are people all around the UK counting on you and they can't be fucked to actually do something constructive themselves as they'd rather mouth off on a message board and don't have the wherewithall to actually do anything constructive at all but they'll whinge like fuck if we pay your train fare". to liken people being paid travel expenses to Hodgson getting £3.5 mill a year is ridiculous, intentionally trying to sensationalise matters to muddy waters just so people can moan like fuck and and comparing apples and oranges. they are 2 different subjects and not linked in any way whatsoever. basically the typical Oatcake logic of "I'm not happy unless i have something to whinge like fuck about and if there isn't anything on this thread to moan about then i'm going to intentionally mix up 2 entirely separate matters just so i can moan"
Man alive, talk about over reaction.
The performance of the FA is woeful in virtually all areas. You'd struggle to name something they have done in recent times that benefitted football in this country. They've let a separate body run roughshod over the game and overseen a catalogue of disasters with the national team.
I don't need to look at the article - if the words The FA are mentioned you can bet your balls to a barn dance it will be about MONEY and/or INCOMPETENCE. What can I do about it - fuck all. A bit a like the FSF.
and that post (and mumf's above) proves that your rants, though justified about the FA in general, are completely irrelevant to the actual point being discussed here and are being directed at entirely the wrong people. what is being discussed here doesn't relate to or have anything to do with those that make the decisions re: Hodgson's wages, who the team picked are, how the team are picked etc. this thread is about a body of people that are there to represent the wider "Footballing family". as said, the FA at the highest levels are a bunch of money grabbing wankers and NOBODY has disputed that whatsoever. all i've pointed out is that you're ranting at them on a thread which isn't even about those people at all. to just shout "They're wankers and moneygrabbers" on a thread that isn't even about them is, as i said previously, lazy in the extreme and shows a complete ignorance of what is being discussed. all it does is show you to be someone who has no construcutive input other than just to shout "Wankers" at the whole of the FA rather than actually singling out those that deserve that title...it's basically akin to saying "If i see a thread containing the word Catholic then i'll just go on and say they're all corrupt kiddy fiddlers simply because some at the top are". your problem seems to be that you think that because some ordinary people out there who DO try to make a difference happen to have the tag "FA" lumped onto their councils that they therefore are all wankers as well and moneygrabbers like Dyke and the rest which is ridiculous. it's like saying that because the CEO of Oxfam earns over £120k a year that therefore the OAPs working in the OXFAM shops around the country are money grabbing arseholes like she is. shows a complete lack of reasoned thought and the ability to disitinguish where real blame lies and where that blame also ends! lazy and achieving nothing other than ruining a perfectly valid thread PS What can YOU do about it? you could join one of the councils or committees that are set up by the FA in order to garner public input instead of just coming on here and whinging about those that actually do try to do something constructive...but then again you can't can you because unless you're paying your own transport costs then you're just a money grabber as well and, let's face it who'd do it if they have to actually end up paying to sit on the council by paying their own transport costs eh? the ones that ARE trying to make a difference (like Malcolm and the rest) are giving up their own free time to try to make a difference, whether the FA take those opinions on board isn't down the councils and committees and therefore they can't be blamed for what happens. they're in a no win situation...they do nothing and nothing changes, they do something and you whinge at them for "Worshipping the coin"....at least they're fuckin doing something other than spout bile and shit on a message board. you're doing fuck all whatsoever so what right do you have to slate those that actually can be bothered to get off their fat arses and at least TRY to get things changed? "Fuck it, nothing will change"...the mantra of the perenially "Can't be fucked to do anything myself but more than happy to moan about no-one else doing anything" brigade.....as i said, fuckin lazy!
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Post by Pugsley on Jul 28, 2014 11:50:54 GMT
Man alive, talk about over reaction.
The performance of the FA is woeful in virtually all areas. You'd struggle to name something they have done in recent times that benefitted football in this country. They've let a separate body run roughshod over the game and overseen a catalogue of disasters with the national team.
I don't need to look at the article - if the words The FA are mentioned you can bet your balls to a barn dance it will be about MONEY and/or INCOMPETENCE. What can I do about it - fuck all. A bit a like the FSF.
and that post (and mumf's above) proves that your rants, though justified about the FA in general, are completely irrelevant to the actual point being discussed here. what is being discussed here doesn't relate to or have anything to do with those that make the decisions re: Hodgson's wages, who the team picked are, how the team are picked etc. this thread is about a body of people that are there to represent the wider "Footballing family". as said, the FA at the highest levels are a bunch of money grabbing wankers and NOBODY has disputed that whatsoever. all i've pointed out is that you're ranting at them on a thread which isn't even about those people at all. to just shout "They're wankers and moneygrabbers" on a thread that isn't even about them is, as i said previously, lazy in the extreme and shows a complete ignorance of what is being discussed. all it does is show you to be someone who has no construcutive input other than just to shout "Wankers" at the whole of the FA rather than actually singling out those that deserve that title...it's basically aking to saying "If i see a thread containing the word Catholic then i'll just go on and say they're all corrupt kiddy fiddlers simply because a few at the top are" lazy and achieving nothing other than ruining a perfectly valid
Where have I used the term money grabbing wankers?
OK, let's look at the article - full of sound bites designed to placate corporate sponsors and minority groups. It sums the FA up in a nutshell - they are more concerned about what they look like rather than the results they produce. After the content of the commission and its mind boggling release date, Dyke should resign if he had any thought for English football but of course he won't. He bangs on about more fans representation - why doesn't he do anything about it then? He's running the show isn't he? Why aren't there more recent ex-players helping run the game?
Your pedantry is fucking tiresome mate.
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