krazy
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Post by krazy on Jul 25, 2014 13:33:24 GMT
Bardsley and Cameron to be assessed for their starting places in the 1st team during training surely. Whoever looks ready gets the rb position for them to lose. Surely thats the point of a competitive squad and those in the team should expect it? This should include Shawcross, Asmir, N'Zonzi etc - lose form and expect to spend some time on the bench
(God, thats the most sensible thing ive ever typed on here - bloody mild weather affecting me)
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2014 13:51:47 GMT
I'd be surprised if we still have both of them come the start of the season, I thinks Shotts will be off, a shame really as he showed he was good enough to play RB but hasn't had the chance to show it since Hughes came in. That's because when he gets the ball in the oppositions half he hasn't got the first clue what to do with it. Apart from whack it as hard as he can towards the penalty area or the Boothen end He quite simply and plainly isn't good enough for a team o our aspirations. The exact same can be said of Cameron, but I do agree with you, he's more suited to a mostly defensive role rather than having to overlap and get forward.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 13:57:28 GMT
That's because when he gets the ball in the oppositions half he hasn't got the first clue what to do with it. Apart from whack it as hard as he can towards the penalty area or the Boothen end He quite simply and plainly isn't good enough for a team o our aspirations. The exact same can be said of Cameron, but I do agree with you, he's more suited to a mostly defensive role rather than having to overlap and get forward. You not a big fan of Geoffrey's "outside of the right foot" crosses then Flaps?
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2014 13:59:26 GMT
The exact same can be said of Cameron, but I do agree with you, he's more suited to a mostly defensive role rather than having to overlap and get forward. You not a big fan of Geoffrey's "outside of the right foot" crosses then Flaps? I would be if they ever bloody worked
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 14:02:51 GMT
You not a big fan of Geoffrey's "outside of the right foot" crosses then Flaps? I would be if they ever bloody worked I can't remember which home game it was,but he must have tried it at least 5 crosses in a row and not one even came close to finding it's intended target They do have a bit of comedy value about them after the third attempt!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2014 14:26:07 GMT
NEW ENGLAND SOCCER TODAY INTERVIEW“Obviously, the focus is I still want to start every single week and be a regular player, maybe challenge for a position at center mid or center back, a position that I’m very comfortable and confident in. And who knows? Maybe someday play in Champions League. You don’t ever want to get complacent, but I’m enjoying my time at Stoke.” Looks like he's coming back, but where to
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Post by roberthuth4 on Jul 25, 2014 14:46:20 GMT
Bardsley and Cameron to be assessed for their starting places in the 1st team during training surely. Whoever looks ready gets the rb position for them to lose. Surely thats the point of a competitive squad and those in the team should expect it? This should include Shawcross, Asmir, N'Zonzi etc - lose form and expect to spend some time on the bench (God, thats the most sensible thing ive ever typed on here - bloody mild weather affecting me) You have to have a good spine to a team you dont want to many players rotating all the time due to a bad game.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 25, 2014 14:53:52 GMT
Said it at the end of last season. He and Shawcross played more league games than any other player. Add in the fact he also played the cup games and he made 41 appearances last season and 38 the season before. He then went straight to the first set of summer internationals then the World Cup. That would be tough for anyone and I imagine he's a bit jaded. I wouldn't blame Hughes if he gave him a month of light training just to get him back into the fold. There's absolutely no reason for Cameron to leave. For most people, he's easily done enough to warrant a place on our bench and for some even a continued crack at right back or in centre mid. We'll see. An average of 90mins playing time a week must really take it out of a professional athlete (that's directed at all of them, not just Cameron) It's not just the physical aspect, it's the mental aspect.
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Post by march4 on Jul 25, 2014 15:00:05 GMT
Let's not forget that as well as Bardsley, Wilson is also better at right back than Cameron (we used to argue when Wilson was on the left that right back was his best position). Wilko is fine as 3rd cover for right back.
How much will we get for Cameron??
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 25, 2014 15:05:22 GMT
An average of 90mins playing time a week must really take it out of a professional athlete (that's directed at all of them, not just Cameron) It's not just the physical aspect, it's the mental aspect. Of running around a field kicking a ball, give over lad, there's plenty on this forum that work much much harder jobs and don't get the kind of breaks that footballers do and they seem to manage, they get enough time off in the week even when the season is on.
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Post by claudinho on Jul 25, 2014 15:32:38 GMT
Cameron will have a better season than Bardsley. Please discuss. Again, many of you will be happy to have Geoff after a season of Phil Bardsley. Discuss.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 25, 2014 16:29:09 GMT
Let's not forget that as well as Bardsley, Wilson is also better at right back than Cameron (we used to argue when Wilson was on the left that right back was his best position). Wilko is fine as 3rd cover for right back. How much will we get for Cameron?? I disagree that Wilson is better than Cameron at rb. When Wilson played rb against Birmingham in the Carling Cup he was terrible, was dribbled multiple times by Championship players. I think his best position is center half, and that's how he played as a lb, reliable defensively but only needed to clear the ball when it came to playing it forward.
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Post by burge2u on Jul 25, 2014 21:12:59 GMT
Southampton have made enquiries about Geoff Cameron but Mark Hughes wants to try him in midfield in an area where he considers that we are still 'light'. Whilst in Germany, Hamburg & West Brazil are also tailing Geoff.
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Post by claudinho on Jul 25, 2014 21:36:09 GMT
Southampton have made enquiries about Geoff Cameron but Mark Hughes wants to try him in midfield in an area where he considers that we are still 'light'. Whilst in Germany, Hamburg & West Brazil are also tailing Geoff. He's rather unappreciated around here, thus I hope he moves on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2014 21:38:55 GMT
Southampton have made enquiries about Geoff Cameron but Mark Hughes wants to try him in midfield in an area where he considers that we are still 'light'. Whilst in Germany, Hamburg & West Brazil are also tailing Geoff. He's rather unappreciated around here, thus I hope he moves on. Strange views from a Stoke "fan"....
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Post by foreverredandwhite on Jul 25, 2014 21:39:01 GMT
I don't see where he fits in and dont know why we actually need him anymore... i agree.....if we are to presume that Bardsley is going to go the whole season uninjured or without any suspensions. Geoff Cameron is a terrible RB, gets caught out far too often. He isn't a right back... And his other best positions are well covered... So I don't see why we don't get a good fee for him and perhaps even try and get a better right back.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jul 25, 2014 22:11:49 GMT
Presumably any fucker that turns up at Riverside star struck or unfit will get fucked off. Take note Geoff
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Post by robinreliant on Jul 26, 2014 1:24:49 GMT
Why do people feel the need to put 'please discuss' at the end of there threads etc? It's a message board so people will comment on it if they feel they want to without being prompted. Is it me just being a miserable got because I'm sweating my tits off? Please discuss Hook, line & sinker. P.d.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 1:53:12 GMT
Cameron will have a better season than Bardsley. Please discuss. Again, many of you will be happy to have Geoff after a season of Phil Bardsley. Discuss. You ain't seen Cameron at right back, anyone has to be better, else where he could do well but not right back.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 26, 2014 1:54:08 GMT
Southampton have made enquiries about Geoff Cameron but Mark Hughes wants to try him in midfield in an area where he considers that we are still 'light'. Whilst in Germany, Hamburg & West Brazil are also tailing Geoff. What is Hughes thinking right this second?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 13:37:36 GMT
Saw a dead ringer for him in Vancouver last week.
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Post by AlliG on Jul 26, 2014 17:02:03 GMT
Again, many of you will be happy to have Geoff after a season of Phil Bardsley. Discuss. You ain't seen Cameron at right back, anyone has to be better, else where he could do well but not right back. I've seen Robert Huth at right back, so I might dispute your point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 16:13:15 GMT
A very good solid pro who did himself nothing untoward in the World cup, an ideal utility player who can do a job across the back and in midfield - light years better than some other 'duffers' we are STILL lumbered with (some 'local yokels' too)so easy to name - for me he will be an important part of a Stoke City squad and team looking for a top half finish next season
(And he didnt do too much wrong at Right back last season either - and, why on earth some people think he was poor there for much of last season, totally escapes me - I certainly dont recall any individual cases where a single winger repeatedly had him for breakfast at all )
yep the 'outside of the foot crosses' drive me nuts too - but there you are
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Post by numpty40 on Jul 30, 2014 10:28:20 GMT
It's just been on SSN that Cameron has made the fourth most tackles in the Premier League over the past two seasons. I found it surprising anyway!!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 30, 2014 10:32:03 GMT
It's just been on SSN that Cameron has made the fourth most tackles in the Premier League over the past two seasons. I found it surprising anyway!! Does not surprise me. I don't know why Geoff gets the stick he does, admittedly he does get caught out, but is that because he is getting forward and us Stoke fans are bemused with that scenario after years of TP. If Geoff goes forward is it not the role of the defensive midfielder to fill in the hole left incase the move breaks down.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jul 30, 2014 10:56:52 GMT
It's just been on SSN that Cameron has made the fourth most tackles in the Premier League over the past two seasons. I found it surprising anyway!! Does not surprise me. I don't know why Geoff gets the stick he does, admittedly he does get caught out, but is that because he is getting forward and us Stoke fans are bemused with that scenario after years of TP. If Geoff goes forward is it not the role of the defensive midfielder to fill in the hole left incase the move breaks down. i think it is supposed to be the role of the defensive midfielder to fill in at right back if Geoff has gone on the attack. The problem with his positioning for me lies when the opposition switch the ball from their right to left often Geoff is caught ball watching a bit and the attacker gets beyond him. Its the same with crosses I think as a player whose played more at centre back he has the tendancy to drift into the middle. I think he's brilliant at nicking the ball off the toes of players and intercepting passes in my eyes he's one of the best I've seen at that.
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Post by malteser68 on Jul 30, 2014 11:30:07 GMT
I would really give it a shot playing him as a central defender with shawcross. Bardsley on the right and Muniesa / pieters on the left
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Post by metalhead on Jul 30, 2014 12:44:54 GMT
Has Cameron returned to training yet?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2014 15:29:33 GMT
I don't think that full back is his position. Would like to see him in front of Ryan and Huthy, playing a defensive midfield position. Just my preference folks.Oh! With an option to go forward when possible!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 30, 2014 15:30:57 GMT
Has Cameron returned to training yet? Flying back stoke today, so when squad return back he will
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