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Post by rockzscfc on Jul 23, 2014 11:05:28 GMT
I have one concern after all the transfer activity so far. It is that will we end up bringing in too many players and it changing us too much too quickly. How long will it take Hughes to find it best starting eleven. With the prospect of 2 more signings and then the possibility of 2 more players on loan that will be NINE new players into the fold with very limited [so far] players going out. Obviously we do need another LW or LM player but i think ideally we need to stop at that.
Your views? Im i being too cautious? Im i judging Hughes too much on past form? Idk. |
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Post by agingerstokie on Jul 23, 2014 11:11:56 GMT
We've signed 5 players, it's not an overhaul of the squad. If all goes well they will be replacing players that never got a game, I don't see how it can be considered a problem you're just mulling over demons from QPR but every other club is buying 3-5 players, look at Liverpool
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Post by Stoke711 on Jul 23, 2014 11:11:58 GMT
I have one concern after all the transfer activity so far. It is that will we end up bringing in too many players and it changing us too much too quickly. How long will it take Hughes to find it best starting eleven. With the prospect of 2 more signings and then the possibility of 2 more players on loan that will be NINE new players into the fold with very limited [so far] players going out. Obviously we do need another LW or LM player but i think ideally we need to stop at that.
Your views? Im i being too cautious? Im i judging Hughes too much on past form? Idk. I don't see it like that, he has established his way of playing last season, so he's not bringing a new style in, we've still got a core of last seasons team who will play, Begovic, Shawcross, Huth/Wilson, Pieters/Muniesa, Whelan, N'Zonzi, Arnie, Odemwingie, Adam/Ireland. With the exception of Diouf & Bardsley, maybe Sidwell I don't see the new signings getting straight in. We'll be able to introduce them gradually. We've made our squad stronger without really sacrificing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 11:12:15 GMT
he's got a good selection of first teamers and squad players into the fold to be fair. Tex will obviously be a back up, Sidwell, diouf and bardsley know the Prem (and english leagues in general) and have had time pre-season to get used to everything at the club so i don't see them as being a problem. we still have a few weeks to bed in Bojan as well and he may not be someone who instantly goes straight in (big change as he's coming over from abroad so may take longer).
that's the advantage of doing our business so early in the summer. it's not like the old days when we'd already have started the Prem season before Tone splashed out millions on deadline day and expected instant results.
we'll still have the bulk of the first team we played last year and the style we now play fits the likes of Diouf and Bojan far more than the way we played under the previous manager. the players we're bringing in fit our style (rather than being levered into some other setup and being asked to play the "Stoke way") and will have pre-season to iron things out.
in terms of Hughes getting to know his regular first team and them getting to know what he wants from them, we're fine as we acted so quickly this summer. whether they turn out to be as good together as a unit however is something entirely different and no-one (even Hughes) will know that until we kick off on the first day.
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Post by rockzscfc on Jul 23, 2014 11:26:23 GMT
true probably overally worrying about it. Too excited about next season that I have to try to find the possible lumps in the road  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 11:29:53 GMT
i just can't wait for the season to start now....all we need to complete us are the inevitable biannual links with Carlton Cole and we're done |
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 11:40:43 GMT
i just can't wait for the season to start now....all we need to complete us are the inevitable biannual links with Carlton Cole and we're done 5 goals in 15 games last season. 1/3. Sign him up Sparky. |
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Post by roylandstoke on Jul 23, 2014 11:44:14 GMT
Your concern is understandable. However I think Hughes has bought a nice balance of new players who should adapt well to what he is trying to create here.
Tex is obviously one for the future. He has also already proved that he can adapt successfully to moving to a new country.
Bardsley and Sidwell are seasoned Premiership players. I imagine Hughes knows alot about their attitudes and professionalism.
Diouf has played in England before. He was successful in Germany. Any striker is a risk but this one seems to be a low risk in that we have not spent £10M. If he does not score goals it is not like he has displaced a prolific scorer in our team, nor has he cost a relatively large amount.
Bojan is the wild card. he could be anything. If he rediscovers what he had 3 years ago he is the bargain of the season. If he doesn't he has cost £3M and a squad place. Surely it is a risk worth taking.
As others have said we do have a strong core of good professionals here. I think they will be strong enough to maintain standards and set good examples to any new arrivals.
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jul 23, 2014 11:48:55 GMT
We've only signed 5 players.
I'd imagine only 2 are going be starting v Villa, Bardsley & Diouf.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 23, 2014 11:57:37 GMT
I cannot see any real problems with integrating the new boys, but I think that only Bardsley and Diouf are going to be chucked straight in, with Sidwell and Bojan starting out as subs. As for Teix, I would not be surprised if Sparky sent him out on loan to a champ/league 1 club. As for what we have bought in, Bardsley and Sidwell have plenty of prem experience and know this league inside out, Diouf has a 1 in 2 record in German football (which is not too dissimilar to English football), Bojan obviously has the potential to be world-class and is at least worth a punt at £3mill and Teix is one for the future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 11:59:21 GMT
We've only signed 5 players. I'd imagine only 2 are going be starting v Villa, Bardsley & Diouf. This ^ it's more evolution than revolution. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 12:02:40 GMT
Buying fresher vegetables of higher quality lifts the standard from a Little Chef to a Michelin standard and provides the scope for a greater variety of style and Menu.
You should always have your 5 a day as it keeps you healthy and regular...
I think that's where the analogy ends.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Jul 23, 2014 12:26:09 GMT
Hughes won't play the players until they are ready.
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Post by StoKeith on Jul 23, 2014 12:41:55 GMT
Buying fresher vegetables of higher quality lifts the standard from a Little Chef to a Michelin standard and provides the scope for a greater variety of style and Menu. You should always have your 5 a day as it keeps you healthy and regular... I think that's where the analogy ends. And you don't have to wait for the apples to fall as you can shake the tree... or something.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 20:04:14 GMT
I'm very happy with what we've done. Keep the obvious players who start/will feature and I think we're sorted.
Just need to move a few on now.
If we do want to bring any more in then we'll have to move others on. Ideally though we won't be doing much more business and keep the main squad stable
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 23, 2014 20:22:01 GMT
I'm slightly concerned we are signing a lot of lighter weight technically good players, we really need to keep that bite, a good team work ethic & competitive edge. Although I suppose the spine of our team is still physically strong ( we must keep it like that) (EDIT) Maybe it's a result of being Pulisised for 10 years  |
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Post by pickins on Jul 23, 2014 20:55:22 GMT
I'm slightly concerned we are signing a lot of lighter weight technically good players, we really need to keep that bite, a good team work ethic & competitive edge. Although I suppose the spine of our team is still physically strong ( we must keep it like that) (EDIT) Maybe it's a result of being Pulisised for 10 years Agreed. I would be concerned if we shipped Walters & Whelan on. It's looking very promising but we can't take anything for granted in this league and I'd still like the 'strong arm' of our squad. |
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Post by stokiejack on Jul 23, 2014 21:03:14 GMT
Think of it this way....,if we complete the signing of Assaidi we've only really completed the signing of 4 new players.
Assaidi can slot straight into the squad and system after spending last season with us and also Texiera was on trial with us since February so he knows the way we play and knows all the players. The only players that need to intergrate are, Bardsley (seasoned professional),
Diouf, Bojan and Sidwell.....and they will all have a full pres season with us to integrate and get used to the way we play. And we can hit the ground running at the start of the season.
COME ON YOU MIGHTY POTTERS!!!!
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Post by mightyone on Jul 23, 2014 21:05:01 GMT
Don't be concerned lads, if we were villa fans then be VERY CONCERNED if you get my drift ???
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Post by openg on Jul 23, 2014 21:32:33 GMT
I have one concern after all the transfer activity so far. It is that will we end up bringing in too many players and it changing us too much too quickly. How long will it take Hughes to find it best starting eleven. With the prospect of 2 more signings and then the possibility of 2 more players on loan that will be NINE new players into the fold with very limited [so far] players going out. Obviously we do need another LW or LM player but i think ideally we need to stop at that.
Your views? Im i being too cautious? Im i judging Hughes too much on past form? Idk. Its a massive concern to me. Was last season too easy for Hughes having no signings? After all, he was criticised for his summer signings at QPR before their second season. This is his second season here, with HIS signings. This season is massive for us. |
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 23, 2014 21:42:01 GMT
We've only signed 5 players. I'd imagine only 2 are going be starting v Villa, Bardsley & Diouf. Where has this idea that Bojan won't be ready come from? He's an absolute class act. Pulis isn't here anymore. |
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Post by openg on Jul 23, 2014 22:02:34 GMT
We've only signed 5 players. I'd imagine only 2 are going be starting v Villa, Bardsley & Diouf. Where has this idea that Bojan won't be ready come from? He's an absolute class act. Pulis isn't here anymore. I reckon Bojan will start to show better after christmas me sen. Same with Diouf tbh. Bardsley is already used to this league so should more or less hit the ground running. We still have the entire team (except for ossie) that we finished strongly with last season, and still Huth to come back and Muniesa finished the season strongly. so there is zero pressure on the new signings until the new year, when some reasonable expectation should come to bear. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 5:50:47 GMT
I'm slightly concerned we are signing a lot of lighter weight technically good players, we really need to keep that bite, a good team work ethic & competitive edge. Although I suppose the spine of our team is still physically strong ( we must keep it like that) (EDIT) Maybe it's a result of being Pulisised for 10 years All of our GKs have big physical presence Shawcross is a tough player, Pieters and Bardsley can both handle themselves NZonzi whilst a fucking fairy, is a big lad and athletic. He's good in the air too. Whelan whilst being a little bloke is the sort who would fight anyone or anything Arnie is a big strong lad Diouf looks like a very strong athletic player We've got more than enough physically capable players. We've got a good balance at the moment |
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 24, 2014 6:52:48 GMT
Buying fresher vegetables of higher quality lifts the standard from a Little Chef to a Michelin standard and provides the scope for a greater variety of style and Menu. You should always have your 5 a day as it keeps you healthy and regular... I think that's where the analogy ends. Superb analogy ! So Palatialhouse was the fried egg but now we have eggs benedict - (dont know who that is though  ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 7:24:28 GMT
Some good points made on this thread.
As mentioned, it's likely that only 2 of our signings will be in the starting XI and one of them is an experienced premier league player.
Tex won't feature much at all
Sidwell - years of PL experience and once at Chelsea
Bardsley - years of PL experience and once at Utd
Bojan - 'The next Messi' Barca youth graduate, CL experience. PLayed at AC, Roma and Ajax.
Diouf - 1 in 2 goal record in the Bundesliga over the past 2 years, PL experience and once at Utd
erm...
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jul 24, 2014 7:27:26 GMT
I honestly believe there is no reason to worry.
If some are comparing us to the overhaul that QPR undertook under Hughes then they need to stop and think a little. The splurge on mostly over the hill, money grabbing mercenaries in his QPR days was financed by Tony Fernandes. The same guy who has just spunked out over the top wages on a 35 year old in the shape of Rio Ferdinand and also currently trying to strike a deal with Samuel Eto'o.
Although Hughes might of wanted them players, it was Fernandes who offered the money.
Under Coates, things are different. There is no need to be concerned in my opinion. Hughes knows the players he wants and the best way to fit them.
Lets just enjoy the new arrivals as its usually us that are moaning because we haven't signed anyone. This window has been the best I can remember so far and it its refreshing to know that come Deadline Day, we won't be scratching around for last minute deals with positions still not filled.
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