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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 8:23:20 GMT
Given our abundance of riches where attacking players are concerned I reckon the return to fitness of Huthy could be priceless.
There's no doubt we will be left vulnerable at times and we will need some serious defenders back there.
With a back for of:
Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters/Muniesa
I reckon we will be fine but we will definitely also need a shielding player such as Whelan to balance the team up.
Can't bloody wait to see how it all pans out though!
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 8:42:44 GMT
Agree Jamo, absolutely necessary that big Rob is back. I hope they've had this knee OP that they delayed so long, especially as he had the whole bloody season to get it all done and sorted. He'll come back a better player hopefully and less injury prone.
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Post by jstoke7 on Jul 23, 2014 8:51:05 GMT
Given our abundance of riches where attacking players are concerned I reckon the return to fitness of Huthy could be priceless. There's no doubt we will be left vulnerable at times and we will need some serious defenders back there. With a back for of: Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters/Muniesa I reckon we will be fine but we will definitely also need a shielding player such as Whelan to balance the team up. Can't bloody wait to see how it all pans out though! Not quite so straight forward for me. For me, a big part in our good run in the second half of last season was having 4 defenders happy to receive and move it quickly or move forward with it themselves. Time will tell, he may be more than comfortable enough to do it given time. Purely on defending ability he'd be straight in the team for me, but I worry we will be less effective with the ball, and won't dominate games so much. I may be completely wrong though!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 9:08:29 GMT
Given our abundance of riches where attacking players are concerned I reckon the return to fitness of Huthy could be priceless. There's no doubt we will be left vulnerable at times and we will need some serious defenders back there. With a back for of: Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters/Muniesa I reckon we will be fine but we will definitely also need a shielding player such as Whelan to balance the team up. Can't bloody wait to see how it all pans out though! Not quite so straight forward for me. For me, a big part in our good run in the second half of last season was having 4 defenders happy to receive and move it quickly or move forward with it themselves. Time will tell, he may be more than comfortable enough to do it given time. Purely on defending ability he'd be straight in the team for me, but I worry we will be less effective with the ball, and won't dominate games so much. I may be completely wrong though! I think in Bardsley, Pieters/Muniesa and Ryan we have plenty who are happy to take possession. One out and out defender in the purest form won't harm us at all in my opinion.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2014 9:33:56 GMT
Huth has more pedigree on the ball than any of our players except Arnautovic - he played up front for Chelsea against Barcelona in a Champions' League semi final!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 9:43:24 GMT
Huth has more pedigree on the ball than any of our players except Arnautovic - he played up front for Chelsea against Barcelona in a Champions' League semi final! I might be alone but I don't think Huthy is that bad on the ball.
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Post by Gods on Jul 23, 2014 9:45:38 GMT
Agree Jamo, absolutely necessary that big Rob is back. I hope they've had this knee OP that they delayed so long, especially as he had the whole bloody season to get it all done and sorted. He'll come back a better player hopefully and less injury prone. Are you asking if Huth has had a knee operation? To the best of my knowledge he had the operation not once but twice after it gave him some aggravation first time around. The second occasion may have been more of a clean up of course. Also he hasn't been gone a "whole bloody season". Anyway lets hope he is back and fit and at his best because I do agree we won't do it all with flair players we still need the heavy lifting done and there is no one better at that.
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Post by thebet365 on Jul 23, 2014 9:53:13 GMT
Huth has more pedigree on the ball than any of our players except Arnautovic - he played up front for Chelsea against Barcelona in a Champions' League semi final! I might be alone but I don't think Huthy is that bad on the ball. I think you might be alone. He stood out like a sore thumb early last season, quite notable when Shawcross was on the ball he was closed down, when Huth had it he was given time, with which he'd put it on his right, then double back onto his left, then back onto his right, then either gave it back to shawcross or launched it forward and out for a throw in. He hasn't got that delicate spin Shawcross puts on the long range passes (Hoofs) to hold the ball up in the air giving Crouch time to get on the end of it, and he certainly didn't like looking for passes into midfield. Hopefully Hughes and the coaches have been working with him on his confidence on the ball, because he's a miles better defender than Wilson.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 9:55:47 GMT
I might be alone but I don't think Huthy is that bad on the ball. I think you might be alone. He stood out like a sore thumb early last season, quite notable when Shawcross was on the ball he was closed down, when Huth had it he was given time, with which he'd put it on his right, then double back onto his left, then back onto his right, then either gave it back to shawcross or launched it forward and out for a throw in. He hasn't got that delicate spin Shawcross puts on the long range passes (Hoofs) to hold the ball up in the air giving Crouch time to get on the end of it, and he certainly didn't like looking for passes into midfield. Hopefully Hughes and the coaches have been working with him on his confidence on the ball, because he's a miles better defender than Wilson. I think where he struggles is that he isn't the quickest but his natural ability in the box (where he has a strikers instinct) tells me there is more to him than he often gets labelled as. Not that it's a problem though. A team is about blend and Huth gives us the stability that Wilson (who for me may look comfortable but still often gave the ball away) can't offer us. The art of defending is still an art and we are in danger of forgetting that bit it seems.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 9:59:41 GMT
Agree Jamo, absolutely necessary that big Rob is back. I hope they've had this knee OP that they delayed so long, especially as he had the whole bloody season to get it all done and sorted. He'll come back a better player hopefully and less injury prone. Are you asking if Huth has had a knee operation? To the best of my knowledge he had the operation not once but twice after it gave him some aggravation first time around. The second occasion may have been more of a clean up of course. Also he hasn't been gone a "whole bloody season". Anyway lets hope he is back and fit and at his best because I do agree we won't do it all with flair players we still need the heavy lifting done and there is no one better at that. Male exaggeration. Don't get your knickers in a twist.
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Post by geoffscott on Jul 23, 2014 10:23:21 GMT
In my mind, Huth's days as a first choice center half at Stoke City are behind him.
I thought he struggled more than any other player to adapt to the new way of playing football, but then again maybe he was never fully fit?
Given the way we played as a team during the second half of last season, I thought it highly unlikely and would be very harsh on the likes of Wilson and Muniesa if Huth was suddenly back in the first 11.
At 30 years old and given we have Shawcross, Wilson, Muniesea and even Cameron, I was thinking Huth may well be one of those saleable assets that we wouldn't really miss.
If Huth stays at Stoke, I'd have thought his first target would be to make the bench on a match day squad, such is the quality and dare I say it depth of squad we now have.
That's the way I saw it, I'm not knocking Huth and I won't be on here or at matches knocking the guy (unless he costs us points) if he does break back into the team, in the past he's been a great servant for Stoke City.
It'll be ineresting to see how Mark Hughes see's it.
It's going to be a big pre season for Robert Huth.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 23, 2014 10:27:06 GMT
He looks bloody awkward with a ball at his feet imo. But I like my defenders to be hard bastards so that's fine with me. PS, I'm amazed with just how many people have written off Mr Huth, I find it strange.. not that anyone cares what I think
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jul 23, 2014 10:28:35 GMT
In my mind, Huth's days as a first choice center half at Stoke City are behind him. I thought he struggled more than any other player to adapt to the new way of playing football, but then again maybe he was never fully fit? Given the way we played as a team during the second half of last season, I thought it highly unlikely and would be very harsh on the likes of Wilson and Muniesa if Huth was suddenly back in the first 11. At 30 years old and given we have Shawcross, Wilson, Muniesea and even Cameron, I was thinking Huth may well be one of those saleable assets that we wouldn't really miss. If Huth stays at Stoke, I'd have thought his first target would be to make the bench on a match day squad, such is the quality and dare I say it depth of squad we now have. That's the way I saw it, I'm not knocking Huth and I won't be on here or at matches knocking the guy (unless he costs us points) if he does break back into the team, in the past he's been a great servant for Stoke City. It'll be ineresting to see how Mark Hughes see's it. It's going to be a big pre season for Robert Huth. See that's what I love, football is all about opinions. My own view is that he's head and shoulders above Cameron, Muniesa and Wilson and also the partnership between him and Ryan is by far and away the best we have at the club. As you say it will be interesting to see how it pans out though. I haven't a clue about a few selection issues to be honest, I'm sure MH has it sorted though!
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Post by larstoke on Jul 23, 2014 10:29:49 GMT
He will obviously be first choice when he is back to full match fitness. hughes seems to like wilson though, will surely plot him in somewhere. midfield?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 23, 2014 10:30:17 GMT
I'd still play Huth if he had one leg, the man is an utter sledgehammer, I fucking love him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 10:32:08 GMT
I think you might be alone. He stood out like a sore thumb early last season, quite notable when Shawcross was on the ball he was closed down, when Huth had it he was given time, with which he'd put it on his right, then double back onto his left, then back onto his right, then either gave it back to shawcross or launched it forward and out for a throw in. He hasn't got that delicate spin Shawcross puts on the long range passes (Hoofs) to hold the ball up in the air giving Crouch time to get on the end of it, and he certainly didn't like looking for passes into midfield. Hopefully Hughes and the coaches have been working with him on his confidence on the ball, because he's a miles better defender than Wilson. I think where he struggles is that he isn't the quickest but his natural ability in the box (where he has a strikers instinct) tells me there is more to him than he often gets labelled as. Not that it's a problem though. A team is about blend and Huth gives us the stability that Wilson (who for me may look comfortable but still often gave the ball away) can't offer us. The art of defending is still an art and we are in danger of forgetting that bit it seems. I agree Wilson always seems to have a clanger in him which scares the shit out of me when he has the ball, Huth for me please.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 23, 2014 11:15:32 GMT
Huth has more pedigree on the ball than any of our players except Arnautovic - he played up front for Chelsea against Barcelona in a Champions' League semi final! I might be alone but I don't think Huthy is that bad on the ball. I think he's fine for our purposes for a couple of years yet.
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Post by mrred on Jul 23, 2014 11:28:29 GMT
I just hope Bob's learned to keep his hands to himself. I love the bloke but he's very, very lucky at times.
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Post by robstokie on Jul 23, 2014 12:04:09 GMT
I personally want to see the big german return to the team, Wilson did an admirable job in difficult circumstances and I wouldn't be surprised to see Sparky give him the nod for the start of the season, but I have never been 100% convinced with him at the back. So what if Huthy is not the most technically gifted ball player, he is a leader, solid as a brick shit-house and a fucking Aaard bastard to boot. One vote for Huth
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Post by mynamesnotmark on Jul 23, 2014 12:09:38 GMT
the little Spaniard deserves a chance at centre half in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 12:12:57 GMT
Given our abundance of riches where attacking players are concerned I reckon the return to fitness of Huthy could be priceless. There's no doubt we will be left vulnerable at times and we will need some serious defenders back there. With a back for of: Bardsley Ryan Huth Pieters/Muniesa I reckon we will be fine but we will definitely also need a shielding player such as Whelan to balance the team up. Can't bloody wait to see how it all pans out though! Yes , he is a very valuable asset to the side , but I don't think that any of you have considered the impact that Teixeira is likely to play this season. I can see him being played in the cup games to build up valuable experience. He's not that far off the pace both in terms of fitness or ability and may push into the first team at any time. He is my wild card this season.
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Post by gothicstokelover on Jul 23, 2014 12:14:52 GMT
like most fans I think Huth was a fantastic signing under Pulis, my worry is that he won't be able play the ball like Hughes wants the team too, watching the friendly game he still wacked the ball up the pitch when he could of played the ball to a free player...
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Post by jonah77 on Jul 23, 2014 12:15:17 GMT
Huth all day long. The big bastard epitomises all that is Stoke and all though we are moving to a more aesthetically pleasing style we should never completely turn our collective backs on the attitude that got our club where it is today.
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jul 23, 2014 12:43:11 GMT
I'm sure its already been mentioned but im looking forward to him playing (btw which i think is incredibly harsh on Wilson who did a terrific job in very trying circumstances last season) simply because of his effect in the opposition box as well.
I'm reminded of the fulham away game when he came close from three or four efforts from corners and free kicks. If we can re add set piece power to our undoubted skill now on the counter attack and generally then you are looking at a special period in our history.
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 23, 2014 12:56:56 GMT
Im not so sure... ill be brave & say I prefer Muni there
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Post by johnsmithsupper on Jul 23, 2014 13:33:13 GMT
Im not so sure... ill be brave & say I prefer Muni there He might well be who knows
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Jul 23, 2014 13:48:52 GMT
Im not so sure... ill be brave & say I prefer Muni there He might well be who knows Ahh just the man.. whens the next show on mate?
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Post by pickins on Jul 23, 2014 21:05:15 GMT
My favourite player by some distance but knee surgery can knock the confidence of a player which in turn can lead to further injury.
You tend to find normally that players are never the same post knee surgery.
Let's just hope that Huth lives up to form and isn't normal.
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 23, 2014 21:34:13 GMT
We may have seen the last of Huth constantly starting games at Stoke. He will be vital when we are expected to get beat at say Man City, Liverpool etc but when we can get on the front foot and play from the back, he won't play. He has never struck me as the most gifted with the ball at his feet and the sledgehammer approach isn't as important now with the way we play as it once was. I don't want Wilson starting either, too many mistakes costing us goals. Muniesa has to start for me, and it is utter nonesence that he is too small. He owed Andy Carroll remember and not many come bigger or more physical than him
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 23, 2014 21:45:12 GMT
If he plays who does he partner ?
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