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Post by floridapotter on Jul 21, 2014 21:50:46 GMT
Any close to making it? I thought I read something about Shawcross.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 21, 2014 21:53:44 GMT
Shawcross is England's best centre-back, but isn't close to the squad because this country now inexplicably places a high value on David Luiz style defenders who in olden times would be consigned to playing in central midfield in the fourth division.
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Post by march4 on Jul 21, 2014 21:55:36 GMT
Signing for Stoke doesn't seem to do any player's England ambitions any good at all.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 21, 2014 21:57:20 GMT
Shawcross is England's best centre-back, but isn't close to the squad because this country now inexplicably places a high value on David Luiz style defenders who in olden times would be consigned to playing in central midfield in the fourth division. And if he signed for a top four club he would be given a second chance to prove himself. He'd be a future England captain if he joined The Shit! |
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 21, 2014 21:58:12 GMT
Signing for Stoke doesn't seem to do any player's England ambitions any good at all. It never did, March. |
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 21, 2014 22:06:04 GMT
It seems everyone has written Shawcross off thanks to a 15 minute cameo against Zlatan fucking Ibrahimovic in a meaningless friendly.
Of course in Hodgsons mind this is a perfectly justifiable reason to not pick him, he hung him out to dry on purpose because he didn't want him in the squad.
It's Wenger's fault as well, that poisonous cunt, his vitriol spread in the media has helped to paint this untrue picture of Ryan nationally, someone bundle both of the cunts in a barrel and kick it off beachy head.
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Post by sportsman on Jul 21, 2014 22:10:23 GMT
Yet he will still again have the best stats of each English centre backs this coming season.
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Post by march4 on Jul 21, 2014 22:11:27 GMT
Signing for Stoke doesn't seem to do any player's England ambitions any good at all. It never did, March. Only Banksie survived the curse! |
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 21, 2014 22:15:25 GMT
It would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players overlooked by England while at Stoke.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 21, 2014 22:17:27 GMT
It would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of players overlooked by England while at Stoke. Pennant and Etherington in the FA Cup season? Worthy of a place on the bench at least surely. |
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Post by muglump on Jul 21, 2014 22:19:08 GMT
denis smith, alan hudson, etc etc
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Post by muglump on Jul 21, 2014 22:19:59 GMT
Shawcross is England's best centre-back, but isn't close to the squad because this country now inexplicably places a high value on David Luiz style defenders who in olden times would be consigned to playing in central midfield in the fourth division. this |
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 21, 2014 22:21:02 GMT
here we go again
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Post by floridapotter on Jul 21, 2014 22:21:24 GMT
England used to be an international powerhouse but have really fallen the last few years
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 21, 2014 22:48:33 GMT
England used to be an international powerhouse but have really fallen the last few years When were England a powerhouse? Not really in 1966 to be honest. |
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Post by scfc5 on Jul 21, 2014 22:55:30 GMT
Yes, and we should shout it every week until things change and he is picked. It is the only way. |
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Post by wokinghampotter on Jul 22, 2014 14:08:12 GMT
Shawcross is England's best centre-back, but isn't close to the squad because this country now inexplicably places a high value on David Luiz style defenders who in olden times would be consigned to playing in central midfield in the fourth division. And if he signed for a top four club he would be given a second chance to prove himself. He'd be a future England captain if he joined The Shit! And he would be given a third and fourth chance if he played for United! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 14:16:05 GMT
Yes, and we should shout it every week until things change and he is picked. It is the only way. yes because that's how the FA and the England managers pick their squad isn't it? i know, to really push for it why don't we do something even more influential and start a feckin facebook page about it eh or maybe an online petition because they really make a real difference in life! |
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Post by superscfc on Jul 22, 2014 14:28:09 GMT
I have a bad feeling that if Ryan doesn't break back into the squad this season then it may be his last in a Stoke shirt, he deserves to play for England. I want Ryan to play out his career here but if he wants to play for the national side I don't think he'll be representing us which is bullshit but all the best to him if he leaves
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Post by march4 on Jul 22, 2014 14:36:42 GMT
There is another thread about Dave Watson.
If memory serves me right, Watson moved to Stoke for regular football so that he could win his place back in the England World Cup squad.
He played superbly for us, but he didn't make the WC squad.
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 22, 2014 14:45:55 GMT
I have a bad feeling that if Ryan doesn't break back into the squad this season then it may be his last in a Stoke shirt, he deserves to play for England. I want Ryan to play out his career here but if he wants to play for the national side I don't think he'll be representing us which is bullshit but all the best to him if he leaves Where is he going to go ? |
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Post by superscfc on Jul 22, 2014 14:58:03 GMT
I have a bad feeling that if Ryan doesn't break back into the squad this season then it may be his last in a Stoke shirt, he deserves to play for England. I want Ryan to play out his career here but if he wants to play for the national side I don't think he'll be representing us which is bullshit but all the best to him if he leaves Where is he going to go ? Tottenham, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea? All might need a center half come this time next year |
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Post by Cast no shadow on Jul 22, 2014 15:51:59 GMT
In the fa cup season prior to matty's injury v wolves, i'm sure there was rumblings of a call up, which eould have been justifiable co sidering how well he was playing, shame about that injury.
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Post by nott1 on Jul 22, 2014 15:52:21 GMT
As we will be top four shortly, that will make a difference!
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Post by lastoftheldk on Jul 22, 2014 16:16:14 GMT
Where is he going to go ? Tottenham, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea? All might need a center half come this time next year they all have done and need one now but have made no enquiries how much do you think he would go for |
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 22, 2014 16:29:34 GMT
I think crouch should have been selected. In the Korea v Algeria game, Korea brought on this really tall kid and he caused a bunch of problems for Algeria. Crouchie could have done the same thing, then again so could have Andy Carroll.
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Post by superscfc on Jul 23, 2014 8:51:49 GMT
Tottenham, Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea? All might need a center half come this time next year they all have done and need one now but have made no enquiries how much do you think he would go for Haven't Spurs, Everton & Liverpool made enquires in the past? I think we'd be lucky to get £15m for him he's worth much more than that to us but rarely do centre halves go for silly money |
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Post by metalhead on Jul 23, 2014 8:56:49 GMT
Not too worried. England are shit anyway. Miles off the top teams in the world. If he was called up, he'd only be blamed for mistakes by donkeys like Cahill. I'd rather keep him nicely tucked away at home so he can have another player of the season award.
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