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Post by upthefud on Jul 27, 2014 14:35:56 GMT
Beckham was a disappointment at international level as well. Don't really know why Gerrard is is getting stick. At least he always gave everything
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2014 11:01:27 GMT
Three midfielders that are more inclined to get forward than to defend. That's been a major problem for recent England teams and is the reason Lampard and Gerrard never really worked. Scholes was nothing like the other two. He liked to sit back and spread the play around. Other than his early days he was never a forward player. He was never played in his favoured position for England though. Are we talking about a different bloke here......little ginger-haired fella, played for Manchester United? Just wondered since he was probably a more 'forward' midfielder than either of the other two, mainly because he was completely incapable of defending or even making a 'legal' tackle. Right up until he became something of a veteran, he played well up the field and made his name getting in to score goals/support the forwards. He DID drop back in his last few seasons and did well there, even allowing for his dreadful tackling. Both him and Gerrard (in their later years), were/are good at dictating the play from deeper providing they are well protected and allowed the time and space to do so. Both are/were shocking as defensive midfielders.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 28, 2014 12:41:35 GMT
Next captain... I'm with the OP - Cahill will do... in fact anyone except Rooney will do... With the players we currently have there is no chance of glory for whoever gets to do it. The captaincy issue is bewildering. The primary responsibility of a captain in football is to step forward at the start of the game to call ‘heads’. Or perhaps ‘tails’ as the case may be. Good teams have 11 captains (football cliche 231) so why the irrational level of interest and analysis? It’s just another example in the bloated hyperbole drenched soap opera the England team has become. Spot on. The other major and burdensome responsibility is to wipe your hands on your shirt before receiving a trophy from a numpty dignitary. Isn't it the case that Gerrard has been offered an ambassadorial role by the FA? I think he'd be very good at handing round the Ferrero Rochers at cocktail parties in major European embassies. In fact he could stand under the chandelier in the middle of the reception, and spray them across the room with sweeping 40 metre diagonal deliveries. Some might hit their intended target. He might have to be briefed on how to speak to the DJ if he ran out of Phil Collins, mind. Rightly loved by Liverpool fans and revered as an all time great at Anfield. Like pretty much all the golden shower generation, routinely found out on the international stage.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 28, 2014 12:56:15 GMT
The so called failure of the golden generation is surely only in the minds of those people who expected England to win trophies?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 28, 2014 13:04:49 GMT
The so called failure of the golden generation is surely only in the minds of those people who expected England to win trophies? I think very few have ever expected England to win trophies Geoff. However, I think many expected more of them than they got in terms of, at least, competing. The disappointment of some of the lame efforts witnessed (with a generation of England players that should have done so much better) is both understandable and inescapable. The recent World Cup amplifies this view in that I, and most others I know, expected little of the England Squad in terms of getting anywhere near winning it. I can easily forgive them for not reaching the late stages but I can't forgive the inept approach, the total lack of any noticeable plan of attack and the inescapable feeling that they didn't really give a fuck how it all turned out. They were (IMO) only rivaled for worst team there by Cameroon and THAT is unforgivable.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2014 13:11:29 GMT
Well since about 2000, the only two central midfielders that have actually played consistently well in a tournament for England are Nicky Butt and Owen Hargreaves. Says a lot about Gerrard and Lampard.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 13:36:44 GMT
Well since about 2000, the only two central midfielders that have actually played well consistently well in a tournament for England are Nicky Butt and Owen Hargreaves. Says a lot about Gerrard and Lampard. agree on this bayern. the amount of shit i used to give Hargreaves when he was first picked and he turned out to be a shining light at times....he was absolutely superb against Portugal in 2006
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 28, 2014 13:42:36 GMT
Well since about 2000, the only two central midfielders that have actually played well consistently well in a tournament for England are Nicky Butt and Owen Hargreaves. Says a lot about Gerrard and Lampard. agree on this bayern. the amount of shit i used to give Hargreaves when he was first picked and he turned out to be a shining light at times....he was absolutely superb against Portugal in 2006 Yeah he came to life in that tournament and showed English football fans why he was playing for one of the best clubs in the world. Same for Nicky Butt in 2002 too.
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Post by onionman on Jul 28, 2014 17:44:50 GMT
The captaincy issue is bewildering. The primary responsibility of a captain in football is to step forward at the start of the game to call ‘heads’. Or perhaps ‘tails’ as the case may be. Good teams have 11 captains (football cliche 231) so why the irrational level of interest and analysis? It’s just another example in the bloated hyperbole drenched soap opera the England team has become. Spot on. The other major and burdensome responsibility is to wipe your hands on your shirt before receiving a trophy from a numpty dignitary. Isn't it the case that Gerrard has been offered an ambassadorial role by the FA? I think he'd be very good at handing round the Ferrero Rochers at cocktail parties in major European embassies. In fact he could stand under the chandelier in the middle of the reception, and spray them across the room with sweeping 40 metre diagonal deliveries. Some might hit their intended target. He might have to be briefed on how to speak to the DJ if he ran out of Phil Collins, mind. Rightly loved by Liverpool fans and revered as an all time great at Anfield. Like pretty much all the golden shower generation, routinely found out on the international stage. The problem is the other ambassador, Frank Lampard, would also be trying to hand out Ferrero Rochers at exactly the same time, from exactly the same plate, in exactly the same part of the room. On paper, you might think two supposedly world class ambassadors could coordinate their efforts and produce a world class distribution of Ferrero Rochers between them. However, as we all know, Ferrero Rochers are not distributed on paper.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jul 28, 2014 17:55:16 GMT
Spot on. The other major and burdensome responsibility is to wipe your hands on your shirt before receiving a trophy from a numpty dignitary. Isn't it the case that Gerrard has been offered an ambassadorial role by the FA? I think he'd be very good at handing round the Ferrero Rochers at cocktail parties in major European embassies. In fact he could stand under the chandelier in the middle of the reception, and spray them across the room with sweeping 40 metre diagonal deliveries. Some might hit their intended target. He might have to be briefed on how to speak to the DJ if he ran out of Phil Collins, mind. Rightly loved by Liverpool fans and revered as an all time great at Anfield. Like pretty much all the golden shower generation, routinely found out on the international stage. The problem is the other ambassador, Frank Lampard, would also be trying to hand out Ferrero Rochers at exactly the same time, from exactly the same plate, in exactly the same part of the room. On paper, you might think two supposedly world class ambassadors could coordinate their efforts and produce a world class distribution of Ferrero Rochers between them. However, as we all know, Ferrero Rochers are not distributed on paper. Mots sages, Monsieur l'Oignon - des mots en effet tres sages. To compound the problem, Wayne Rooney would be "in the hole" snaffling the Ferrero Rochers from the silver salver. And to compound the problem further, the bright new star ((delete as appropriate)Sterling/Lallana/Sturridge/A N Other) would be scaling the walls of the Embassy, with one of those Bat-a-rang contraptions, dressed as the Milk Tray Man. Making the women swoon, you understand - but also rendering the distribution of the Ferrero Rochers chaotic and incoherent. Over to you...
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Post by onionman on Jul 28, 2014 18:30:22 GMT
The problem is the other ambassador, Frank Lampard, would also be trying to hand out Ferrero Rochers at exactly the same time, from exactly the same plate, in exactly the same part of the room. On paper, you might think two supposedly world class ambassadors could coordinate their efforts and produce a world class distribution of Ferrero Rochers between them. However, as we all know, Ferrero Rochers are not distributed on paper. Mots sages, Monsieur l'Oignon - des mots en effet tres sages. To compound the problem, Wayne Rooney would be "in the hole" snaffling the Ferrero Rochers from the silver salver. And to compound the problem further, the bright new star ((delete as appropriate)Sterling/Lallana/Sturridge/A N Other) would be scaling the walls of the Embassy, with one of those Bat-a-rang contraptions, dressed as the Milk Tray Man. Making the women swoon, you understand - but also rendering the distribution of the Ferrero Rochers chaotic and incoherent. Over to you... Meanwhile there's a whole host of people, most notably Jordan Henderson and Danny Welbeck, walking around the room with a giant tray of the unpopular Quality Street toffees in the browny-orange wrappers. You know the ones - they always used to remain unwanted at the bottom of the tin, several days after Christmas had finished ... however in this era of drought and starvation, they have become the staple diet.
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