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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 21, 2014 20:52:31 GMT
Thank you Steve. Now we can start to build for a new era. Also saves the indignity of the manager leaving him out.
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Post by malteser68 on Jul 21, 2014 20:54:26 GMT
What about finding some long lost English great uncle of Wilson palacios giving him English citizenship and making him captain ?
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Post by redstriper on Jul 21, 2014 20:58:36 GMT
Next captain... I'm with the OP - Cahill will do... in fact anyone except Rooney will do...
With the players we currently have there is no chance of glory for whoever gets to do it.
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Post by geoff321 on Jul 21, 2014 20:59:05 GMT
All players have weaknesses, even the great Stanley Matthews. I never heard anyone suggest Stan could tackle, or was a great header of the ball or had a great left foot.
Gerrard may not be the most disciplined player, but as an attacking midfield player, he was one of the all time England greats.
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Post by chad on Jul 21, 2014 21:01:16 GMT
Various managers spent years frigging about trying to accommodate Gerrard and Lampard. Personally I think Lampard was much the better of the two and if Gerrard had simply been used as a back up for him England might have had a better last ten years
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Post by wozzer72 on Jul 21, 2014 21:11:55 GMT
The wanker retired about 30 seconds after we had kicked off against italy
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 21, 2014 21:53:26 GMT
All players have weaknesses, even the great Stanley Matthews. I never heard anyone suggest Stan could tackle, or was a great header of the ball or had a great left foot. Gerrard may not be the most disciplined player, but as an attacking midfield player, he was one of the all time England greats. All time LIVERPOOL greats, not England. Bobby Moore and Bobby Charlton were England greats.
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Post by stokienorthants on Jul 21, 2014 21:59:33 GMT
One of the so called golden generation thanks for nowt Stevie now fuck off. Like many others never transferred his club form to the national team.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 22, 2014 0:50:12 GMT
Thank god for that. One of the most selfish and overrated players ive ever known. Even in his retirement its still 'me this, I that'.
Now to get rid of Hodgson and we might be half decent at the Euros.
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Post by salopstick on Jul 22, 2014 7:13:56 GMT
The Steven Gerard at Liverpool rarely turned up at England. After the 5-1 v Germany I'm struggling to find many memorable moments with Gerard. And for a guy with 114 isn't right
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Post by Danstoke82 on Jul 22, 2014 7:16:27 GMT
Call up Ryan and make him skipper.
Job done.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jul 22, 2014 8:50:08 GMT
All players have weaknesses, even the great Stanley Matthews. I never heard anyone suggest Stan could tackle, or was a great header of the ball or had a great left foot. Gerrard may not be the most disciplined player, but as an attacking midfield player, he was one of the all time England greats. Right you are Yoda
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 22, 2014 14:18:18 GMT
You only have to look at this thread to realise just how shit this messageboard can be. Steven Gerrard from 2002-2008 would've strolled into ANY team in the world. Yes he hasn't been the same player for a few years now, but a declining Gerrard is still better than most players will ever be. He will go down in history (admittedly Liverpool's history) as one of the greatest English players ever. You've gota be a special kind of inbred-fucktard to try to denigrate his career...but then again this is the oatcake and we seem to have more than our fair share of inbred-fucktards. Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse.
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Post by werrington on Jul 22, 2014 14:27:17 GMT
You only have to look at this thread to realise just how shit this messageboard can be. Steven Gerrard from 2002-2008 would've strolled into ANY team in the world. Yes he hasn't been the same player for a few years now, but a declining Gerrard is still better than most players will ever be. He will go down in history (admittedly Liverpool's history) as one of the greatest English players ever. You've gota be a special kind of inbred-fucktard to try to denigrate his career...but then again this is the oatcake and we seem to have more than our fair share of inbred-fucktards. Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse. So Ryan Giggs was average then ?
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Post by ChiefWiggum on Jul 22, 2014 18:46:02 GMT
Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse. So Ryan Giggs was average then ? Difference is that Ryan Giggs was at a club who were successful domestically and in Europe, so he didn't need to move.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 23, 2014 1:04:59 GMT
Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse. So Ryan Giggs was average then ? Giggs is a legend because of what he achieved and how long he played. At no point in his career was he the best player in the world, the best winger in the world or arguably even the best player in the United team. He was also in a team just as good as Madrid/Barcelona. Similar story for Gerrard, but without the achievements and quite as much talent. He never had the ability to be up with the very best.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jul 23, 2014 3:34:08 GMT
Too bad he waited until after the World Cup.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 17:05:20 GMT
You only have to look at this thread to realise just how shit this messageboard can be. Steven Gerrard from 2002-2008 would've strolled into ANY team in the world. Yes he hasn't been the same player for a few years now, but a declining Gerrard is still better than most players will ever be. He will go down in history (admittedly Liverpool's history) as one of the greatest English players ever. You've gota be a special kind of inbred-fucktard to try to denigrate his career...but then again this is the oatcake and we seem to have more than our fair share of inbred-fucktards. Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse. Liverpool have won every trophy there is with Gerrard at the helm, apart from the PL of course which admittedly is the most desired prize. Winning the CL is a pretty big deal though! Gerrard dragged a very unspectacular Liverpool kicking and screaming to that title back in 2005. He was as much a talisman back then as Suarez has been over the last few seasons.
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jul 24, 2014 10:21:32 GMT
Erm, if a player would "stroll into any team in the world" then Real Madrid and Barca come a knocking, they never did, in fact, the only team that ever had a faint tap at the door was Chelse. Liverpool have won every trophy there is with Gerrard at the helm, apart from the PL of course which admittedly is the most desired prize. Winning the CL is a pretty big deal though! Gerrard dragged a very unspectacular Liverpool kicking and screaming to that title back in 2005. He was as much a talisman back then as Suarez has been over the last few seasons. In a knockout format one mans heroics when the chips are down can make all the difference, but the acid test is week in week out in the league and in that regard he has always failed, not because he wasn't good enough or talented enough, but because he wasn't clever enough and tactically aware enough. Only last season did he really submit to a genuine DM role, and actually do it with some degree of discipline. Part of the problem with English footballers is that role is seen here as a plodders role. Everywhere else it's seen as the most improtant role on the park, the pivot for the whole team, for every attack. PLayers like Pirlo learn that role, grow into it, love it. English players drop into that role when they aren't quick enough to do anything else.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 26, 2014 3:58:42 GMT
Next captain... I'm with the OP - Cahill will do... in fact anyone except Rooney will do... With the players we currently have there is no chance of glory for whoever gets to do it. The captaincy issue is bewildering. The primary responsibility of a captain in football is to step forward at the start of the game to call ‘heads’. Or perhaps ‘tails’ as the case may be. Good teams have 11 captains (football cliche 231) so why the irrational level of interest and analysis? It’s just another example in the bloated hyperbole drenched soap opera the England team has become.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 26, 2014 9:06:00 GMT
Next captain... I'm with the OP - Cahill will do... in fact anyone except Rooney will do... With the players we currently have there is no chance of glory for whoever gets to do it. The captaincy issue is bewildering. The primary responsibility of a captain in football is to step forward at the start of the game to call ‘heads’. Or perhaps ‘tails’ as the case may be. Good teams have 11 captains (football cliche 231) so why the irrational level of interest and analysis? It’s just another example in the bloated hyperbole drenched soap opera the England team has become. does he not get more money as well been captain
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Post by spitthedog on Jul 26, 2014 9:44:46 GMT
It's ok laying into Gerard, but where are these England players who would have done a better job?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 9:56:35 GMT
Who knows you would have to drop the tried and failed combo of players that we have been subjected to for 10 years.
We are that desperate for any glimmer of success that we stupidly call players like Gerard and Rooney world class. Gerard has always been an above average prem midfielder, carried many years by Alonso but because he's a local lad he somehow become the main man of Liverpool and then England football. Last season was the first half decent season he's had in many a year, Liverpool would have been better dropping golden boy a long time ago.
He's a one trick pony, he neither has the footballing intelligence, the positional sense, leadership abilities or defensive abilities to really step up to the top.
What he has is a 1 in 5 50 yard diagonal pass especially when put under pressure. He'd barely be sniffed at or seen as anything special in the Spanish league, he's like many if their midfielders you can't even name.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 26, 2014 10:09:05 GMT
Like Lampard and Scholes before him, a massive disappointment in an England shirt.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 26, 2014 15:56:09 GMT
Like Lampard and Scholes before him, a massive disappointment in an England shirt. Unfortunately, their performances were undermined by Gerrard going walkabout and having to cover for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 16:00:42 GMT
Don't assign it to anyone. At least that way we aren't stuck with a player out of form and can drop him.
Just pick a captain for each game
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Post by dozintheseventees on Jul 26, 2014 16:03:38 GMT
Like Lampard and Scholes before him, a massive disappointment in an England shirt. Unfortunately, their performances were undermined by Gerrard going walkabout and having to cover for him. Three midfielders that are more inclined to get forward than to defend. That's been a major problem for recent England teams and is the reason Lampard and Gerrard never really worked.
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Post by wembley4372 on Jul 26, 2014 16:13:49 GMT
Unfortunately, their performances were undermined by Gerrard going walkabout and having to cover for him. Three midfielders that are more inclined to get forward than to defend. That's been a major problem for recent England teams and is the reason Lampard and Gerrard never really worked. Gerrard wouldn't work with anyone, he just did whatever he wanted, then allow Rooney to do the same and everyone else is just screwed.
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Post by arnieforpresident on Jul 26, 2014 16:15:26 GMT
I havn't slept since he announced his retirement. Wish they would all join him.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 26, 2014 17:19:17 GMT
Unfortunately, their performances were undermined by Gerrard going walkabout and having to cover for him. Three midfielders that are more inclined to get forward than to defend. That's been a major problem for recent England teams and is the reason Lampard and Gerrard never really worked. Scholes was nothing like the other two. He liked to sit back and spread the play around. Other than his early days he was never a forward player. He was never played in his favoured position for England though.
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