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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 12:27:25 GMT
Very comprehensive article on our Phil. linkGood luck to him and Inchy. A little bit of me wishes we had Phil driving the PR and forward planning for our club. 700,000 facebook followers - even Stoke Loud and Proud don't have that many!
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Post by lordb on Jul 21, 2014 12:39:56 GMT
All highly impressive. The nagging doubt is that once the club has a negative season then the support evaporates. Thats the key to long term success,coping with bad seasons. If hard core support sticks with the team then they will be fine.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 12:46:17 GMT
All highly impressive. The nagging doubt is that once the club has a negative season then the support evaporates. Thats the key to long term success,coping with bad seasons. If hard core support sticks with the team then they will be fine. True - but that would be true of almost any new club anywhere. I suppose the franchise system caters for that possibility by offering the Franchise to someone else if support drops off. Not the way I'd like to arrange things but that's the way the Yanks do it. It does have the advantage of producing a more level playing field in the MLS though.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 21, 2014 13:04:12 GMT
Very comprehensive article on our Phil. linkGood luck to him and Inchy. A little bit of me wishes we had Phil driving the PR and forward planning for our club. 700,000 facebook followers - even Stoke Loud and Proud don't have that many! Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us.
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 13:59:31 GMT
Very comprehensive article on our Phil. linkGood luck to him and Inchy. A little bit of me wishes we had Phil driving the PR and forward planning for our club. 700,000 facebook followers - even Stoke Loud and Proud don't have that many! Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us. What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was for a relatively short time a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lots of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City
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Post by southcarolinastokie on Jul 21, 2014 14:28:11 GMT
Judging by the fanbase they have now and seeing and speaking to them at the friendly between us, a bad season may not derail them. The South east is crying out for football and Orlando will fill the niche for some at least until 2017 when Atlanta join the MLS. Hopefully by then Orlando will be a big player in the league which if they continue on the trajectory they are on, is a very distinct possibility
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Post by ruts66 on Jul 21, 2014 14:33:50 GMT
Anyone any idea how much Kaka will be paid for his services to Orlando?
I see Robinho is also being linked...
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 21, 2014 14:42:42 GMT
So the Kaka deal was down to personal connections.
After seeing Brazil so poor at the World Cup - they were crying out for a creative talent in the middle of the park once Neymar was injured.
Kaka should still be playing for Brazil. How his career has gone so badly ever since the big money move to Real Madrid.
What will be his wage at Orlando? Anyone know?
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 21, 2014 14:47:50 GMT
This franchise is on solid ground and I wouldn't worry about a fickle fan base. This lot is hardcore and have a Soccer Specific Stadium (SSD) in the works. The fans have been behind his squad in big numbers since they moved from Austin and love their footie. This will be a model franchise even if they do wear purple.
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Post by floridapotter on Jul 21, 2014 14:50:39 GMT
Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us. What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was formerly a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lost of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City MLS and soccer/football is growing rapidly in the US. Many new fans of the beautiful game in the US will look for a team to follow during the MLS off season. Premiere League sides with ties to a supporters MLS teams will have an advantage. Bigger fan base leads to more money for clubs like Stoke City.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 21, 2014 14:51:24 GMT
Very comprehensive article on our Phil. linkGood luck to him and Inchy. A little bit of me wishes we had Phil driving the PR and forward planning for our club. 700,000 facebook followers - even Stoke Loud and Proud don't have that many! Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us. Yeh, clearly he learnt from his mistakes with the Austin failure, I wonder if we're going to have any sort of official link with them.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 14:52:26 GMT
Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us. What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was formerly a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lost of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues.
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Post by floridapotter on Jul 21, 2014 14:58:05 GMT
"We both grew up with the ‘footballing’ Stoke teams of the 1970s and that’s how I wanted to see my team play." Rawlins and Heath talking about Orlando City
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Post by floridapotter on Jul 21, 2014 15:02:25 GMT
When you are longing for some footie from March to August follow Orlando City! I'm sure Orlando City would welcome just about any Stoke players.
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Post by mailman44 on Jul 21, 2014 15:05:26 GMT
This would be a win win for both Stoke and the OC. Hope we capitalize on it.
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Post by Sweeper on Jul 21, 2014 15:06:39 GMT
What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was formerly a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lost of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues. Orlando City recently signed an agreement with Benfica. It could be a model for a relationship with Stoke as well: www.orlandocitysc.com/news/?article_id=1895- Sharing evaluations regarding professional and youth soccer players.
- Arranging potential friendly matches between the Clubs in the U.S. and in Portugal.
- Providing opportunities for both Clubs’ players to train with the other team.
- Cooperation to share professional knowledge regarding the business side of the industry (e.g., marketing, sales, etc.).
- Developing of an innovative strategic plan between both clubs to develop and promote access to scholarships for colleges and universities in the United States for not only soccer players, but also to other athletes.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 15:08:04 GMT
Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues. Orlando City recently signed an agreement with Benfica. It could be a model for a relationship with Stoke as well: www.orlandocitysc.com/news/?article_id=1895- Sharing evaluations regarding professional and youth soccer players.
- Arranging potential friendly matches between the Clubs in the U.S. and in Portugal.
- Providing opportunities for both Clubs’ players to train with the other team.
- Cooperation to share professional knowledge regarding the business side of the industry (e.g., marketing, sales, etc.).
- Developing of an innovative strategic plan between both clubs to develop and promote access to scholarships for colleges and universities in the United States for not only soccer players, but also to other athletes.
Cheers - Phil and his co investors are certainly aiming high and have their heads screwed on.
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 15:54:51 GMT
What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was formerly a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lost of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues. I appreciate you taking the time Lakeland but with respect that is a bit substance free! In short some vague platitude about the game going global and the idea that we may be able to loan Orlando some players who could gain some experience in an improving league who in reality we could loan out to any side anywhere in the world should they want them. And the good old "does no harm" to finish off with I was just looking for a few specifics. 1)What links do we really have with Orlando beyond the coincidence that their co-owner was once a very small investor in our club? 2)Does this give us anything at all which a club without these links, whatever they might be, does not have and if so what exactly? My suspicion is there is nothing of substance here at all beyond a passing interest in the fortunes of Heath and Rawlins which is fine and I wouldn't mind except I don't get this undercurrent that something great and good is bubbling under here!
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 15:56:16 GMT
Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues. I appreciate you taking the time Lakeland but with respect that is a bit substance free! In short some vague platitude about the game going global and the idea that we may be able to loan Orlando some players who could gain some experience in an improving league who in reality we could have loan out to any side anywhere in the world should they want them. And the good old "does no harm" to finish off with I was just looking for a few specifics. 1)What links do we really have with Orlando beyond the coincidence that their co-owner was once a very small investor in our club? 2)Does this give us anything at all which a club without these links, whatever they might be, does not have and if so what exactly? My suspicion is there is nothing of substance here at all beyond a passing interest in the fortunes of Heath and Rawlins which is fine and I wouldn't mind except I don't get this undercurrent that something great and good is bubbling under here! And there you go I read above they have gone off and done business with Benfica anyway
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 15:58:31 GMT
Orlando is a good connection to have.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 16:04:02 GMT
I appreciate you taking the time Lakeland but with respect that is a bit substance free! In short some vague platitude about the game going global and the idea that we may be able to loan Orlando some players who could gain some experience in an improving league who in reality we could have loan out to any side anywhere in the world should they want them. And the good old "does no harm" to finish off with I was just looking for a few specifics. 1)What links do we really have with Orlando beyond the coincidence that their co-owner was once a very small investor in our club? 2)Does this give us anything at all which a club without these links, whatever they might be, does not have and if so what exactly? My suspicion is there is nothing of substance here at all beyond a passing interest in the fortunes of Heath and Rawlins which is fine and I wouldn't mind except I don't get this undercurrent that something great and good is bubbling under here! And there you go I read above they have gone off and done business with Benfica anyway I'm not sure that their tie up with Benfica alters things much. There are clubs with formal links to more than one foreign club. You'd have to ask the club what, if any, formal links it has with Orlando and how those links are structured. I'm saying that links with foreign clubs is (in my opinion) a good thing. For example, I'd much prefer that our young players were given game time at a foreign club where we have built strong links, than Greg Dyke's "B" team in a mythical extra division concept - or in a hap-hazard fashion at Rochdale, Barnsley, Millwall or Little Dribble in the Marsh. It just seems to me to be a better way of doing things. And the Owners of Orlando and Benfica seem to agree with me - which just goes to show what sensible chaps they are!
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jul 21, 2014 16:07:51 GMT
These foreign "links" all start with lots of handshakes and promises to work together.
In reality they produce very little of merit for both clubs. As Gods mention why limit yourself to one club for a loan market when you can use any of the many clubs that actually need the player you are trying to loan.
Say Stoke want to loan out Brek Shea or Jamie Ness for a season. Do they "force" Orlando to take them on even though they dont need a midfielder or lanky wideman?
Also theres very little linking for the supporter base. Are Orlando City fans going to come and watch Stoke play and vice versa? Maybe on a very occassional basis but not as a regular paying customers for sure.
If we want to make a "link" with a club, we should be talking to Port Vale. I see way more opportunities closer to home, not least in "shared season tickets" for instance to swell crowds as we play at home on alternate weekends.
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 21, 2014 16:45:33 GMT
Phil Rawlins has done a fantastic job at taking the job out to the community and making everyone feel as part of the club. They did a lot of due diligence prior to picking Orlando as the location of the club after Austin failed to live up to expectation. I just hope Orlando and Stoke keep up the ties between the clubs as Soccer/football is growing fast in the USA and some of that may rub off on us. What do you think Stoke City would really get out of our "ties" with Orlando Marc? I am not doubting it rather I am just genuinely curious. And what is it that may "rub off on us"? Is it players and if so from us to them or vice versa? Is it somehow financial? Is it 'borrowing' some of their commercial ideas but I suppose anyone could do that? And what really are the "ties" between us? I presume it is more than the fact that their co-owner was for a relatively short time a minor member of our board. That can't be too unusual for lots of clubs. So perhaps it is something more formal than that. I'm keen to get interested in all this and its great fun but in the back of my mind the thought lurks that it matters not one jot to Stoke City extra revenue from our merchandise sales in the USA. It's what the likes of man city are doing by starting up MLS clubs. Believe it or not Stoke are pretty well know in the USA due to the signings or Geoff and Shea having a connection with a MLS in Orlando will only raise our profile.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2014 16:50:34 GMT
With them being in the MLS from next season I really do think we should send some of U-18's/U-21's on loan over there. It's a decent enough competitive league and is better than playing U-21 football here.
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Post by ParaPsych on Jul 21, 2014 17:28:46 GMT
Rawlings
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 21, 2014 17:32:22 GMT
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 17:36:55 GMT
Man Utd seem to benefit from the tie up between themselves and Antwerp - half their youth players seem to cut their teeth there including our own Ryan Shawcross, Phil Bardsley and Higgy. I'd say the MLS (where Orlando will play next season) is top half of the Championship standard so loans to Orlando could well benefit our fringe players. I notice that Man City owners are buying into the MLS. this might simply be an investment, of course, but it wouldn't surprise me to see some Citeh players making season long trips over the pond. Football is becoming more and more a global game and it can do no harm for an ambitious club to have links with foreign leagues. Orlando City recently signed an agreement with Benfica. It could be a model for a relationship with Stoke as well: www.orlandocitysc.com/news/?article_id=1895- Sharing evaluations regarding professional and youth soccer players.
- Arranging potential friendly matches between the Clubs in the U.S. and in Portugal.
- Providing opportunities for both Clubs’ players to train with the other team.
- Cooperation to share professional knowledge regarding the business side of the industry (e.g., marketing, sales, etc.).
- Developing of an innovative strategic plan between both clubs to develop and promote access to scholarships for colleges and universities in the United States for not only soccer players, but also to other athletes.
Well I'm not being funny but this agreement Orlando City have signed with Benfica tells you all you need to know about how much they cherish any relationship with Stoke City.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 21, 2014 17:43:32 GMT
Orlando City recently signed an agreement with Benfica. It could be a model for a relationship with Stoke as well: www.orlandocitysc.com/news/?article_id=1895- Sharing evaluations regarding professional and youth soccer players.
- Arranging potential friendly matches between the Clubs in the U.S. and in Portugal.
- Providing opportunities for both Clubs’ players to train with the other team.
- Cooperation to share professional knowledge regarding the business side of the industry (e.g., marketing, sales, etc.).
- Developing of an innovative strategic plan between both clubs to develop and promote access to scholarships for colleges and universities in the United States for not only soccer players, but also to other athletes.
Well I'm not being funny but this agreement Orlando City have signed with Benfica tells you all you need to know about how much they cherish any relationship with Stoke City. Or it shows how behind we are with what we do with the potential partnership?
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 21, 2014 17:57:16 GMT
Well I'm not being funny but this agreement Orlando City have signed with Benfica tells you all you need to know about how much they cherish any relationship with Stoke City. Or it shows how behind we are with what we do with the potential partnership? It has a lot to do with the majority owner of Orlando, like all rich brazilians he does not live in Brazil. Think he lives in Portugal, what are the odds it's benfica
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 18:04:20 GMT
Lets call the whole thing off GD
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