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Post by crapslinger on Jul 21, 2014 7:07:50 GMT
Yes, that's what we need - an employment tribunal which we would certainly lose! However, if the injury is career ending we could probably claim off insurance, terminate his contract and pay him the balance from the insurance pay out. If, more likely, his problem is deemed not to be career ending, then we should try a loan deal on the following basis: No fee. The new club pays his wages. They have the right to send him back if his fitness deteriorates. In a year's time he becomes a free agent. Terminate the contract then. Whatever. I wouldn't bother with the loan. Without doubt the worst signing the clubs made. Part of the legacy left to us.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 21, 2014 7:08:43 GMT
He might as well just retire.
He probably will after he's drained another year out of us on silly money, what an unmitigated disaster he's been.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 7:12:55 GMT
The only way you can terminate his contract (unless he agrees) is to pay him the WHOLE of the wages due to the end of that contract. If you don't do that you get taken to a tribunal WHICH YOU LOSE and which means you would have to pay the wages due PLUS his costs and the club's costs. Far cheaper to loan him out and recoup some or all of the wages you pay him. I think you can assume that the Coates family are well aware of contract and employment law. They didn't get where they are without being aware of things like that. Lakeland, though your points are likely valid. I'm too annoyed by WP and his generally shitness to care. IMO, get rid, whatever the cost..or let him rot and get fatter in the reserves. Just get him away from the first team. way over the top. not sure we he failed a medical he looked ok in the world cup? when mh asked him to play a role for us he generally did ok. can never understand why fellow stokies slag off are own players????
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 7:14:54 GMT
He might as well just retire. He probably will after he's drained another year out of us on silly money, what an unmitigated disaster he's been. No way is he going to retire until he gets the £1.3 million gross (£750k after tax?) that he is due on his contract between now and next June. That's assuming that the £26k per week estimate of his salary is correct. For what its worth. I still expect we'll try to loan him out to recoup some of our money - assuming the "injury" means he is fit enough to play. if we can't do that, then if he isn't in the 25 man squad by the start of August, I think we'll then pay up his contract.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 21, 2014 7:17:10 GMT
Lakeland, though your points are likely valid. I'm too annoyed by WP and his generally shitness to care. IMO, get rid, whatever the cost..or let him rot and get fatter in the reserves. Just get him away from the first team. way over the top. not sure we he failed a medical he looked ok in the world cup? when mh asked him to play a role for us he generally did ok. can never understand why fellow stokies slag off are own players???? He looked very average in the World cup tbh, one of the worse if not the worst signings in the history of SCFC
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 21, 2014 7:18:40 GMT
He might as well just retire. He probably will after he's drained another year out of us on silly money, what an unmitigated disaster he's been. No way is he going to retire until he gets the £1.3 million gross (£750k after tax?) that he is due on his contract between now and next June. That's assuming that the £26k per week estimate of his salary is correct. For what its worth. I still expect we'll try to loan him out to recoup some of our money - assuming the "injury" means he is fit enough to play. if we can't do that, then if he isn't in the 25 man squad by the start of August, I think we'll then pay up his contract. Wonder if Barnsley are still open to taking loans from us.
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Post by metalhead on Jul 21, 2014 7:19:39 GMT
I suppose we can give him a token appearance in the FA Cup? We don't have to register him for the new season if we do sign someone else?
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 21, 2014 7:24:37 GMT
Yes, that's what we need - an employment tribunal which we would certainly lose! However, if the injury is career ending we could probably claim off insurance, terminate his contract and pay him the balance from the insurance pay out. If, more likely, his problem is deemed not to be career ending, then we should try a loan deal on the following basis: No fee. The new club pays his wages. They have the right to send him back if his fitness deteriorates. In a year's time he becomes a free agent. Apparently Blackpool are on the look out for one or two players - who knows the sea air might help whatever is ailing Mr Palacios. Everyone's a winner!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 21, 2014 7:27:36 GMT
Yes, that's what we need - an employment tribunal which we would certainly lose! However, if the injury is career ending we could probably claim off insurance, terminate his contract and pay him the balance from the insurance pay out. If, more likely, his problem is deemed not to be career ending, then we should try a loan deal on the following basis: No fee. The new club pays his wages. They have the right to send him back if his fitness deteriorates. In a year's time he becomes a free agent. Apparently Blackpool are on the look out for one or two players - who knows the sea air might help whatever is ailing Mr Palacios. Everyone's a winner! That's as good a suggestion as any. The only down side is that, out of his reputed £26k per week wages, Blackpool would pay £6k if we were lucky.
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Post by foster on Jul 21, 2014 7:29:35 GMT
Lakeland, though your points are likely valid. I'm too annoyed by WP and his generally shitness to care. IMO, get rid, whatever the cost..or let him rot and get fatter in the reserves. Just get him away from the first team. way over the top. not sure we he failed a medical he looked ok in the world cup? when mh asked him to play a role for us he generally did ok. can never understand why fellow stokies slag off are own players???? Because he's done fuck all since we signed him. OTT my arse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 7:42:25 GMT
If you factor in how much he cost to buy and add up all the wages he has taken from the football club (i dread to think what the total would be) then he has been one of the worst signings Stoke City have made for sure. He has made just 14 starts in the Premier League through the entire time he's been with us (2011/12, 2012/13, 2013/14) That's just crackers quite frankly and we're seemingly lumbered with him for another season. Do i not like that!
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 21, 2014 7:43:37 GMT
Apparently Blackpool are on the look out for one or two players - who knows the sea air might help whatever is ailing Mr Palacios. Everyone's a winner! That's as good a suggestion as any. The only down side is that, out of his reputed £26k per week wages, Blackpool would pay £6k if we were lucky. This means we'd be losing £1M on the deal for a years wages. In my world that would be a disaster, in the unreal world of Premier League football it is just noise! Maybe a richer championship side might take a shot - but I suspect we'd still be faced with picking up the tab for the lion's share of his salary.
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Post by elystokie on Jul 21, 2014 7:46:45 GMT
If you factor in how much he cost to buy and add up all the wages he has taken from the football club (i dread to think what the total would be) then he has been one of the worst signings Stoke City have made for sure. He has made just 14 starts in the Premier League through the entire time he's been with us (2011/12, 2012/13, 2013/14) That's just crackers quite frankly and we're seemingly lumbered with him for another season. Do i not like that! To be fair it has been quite windy these last few years...
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Post by keasie1863 on Jul 21, 2014 7:53:15 GMT
Send him down the vale.
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Post by scfc5 on Jul 21, 2014 8:08:42 GMT
Apparently Blackpool are on the look out for one or two players - who knows the sea air might help whatever is ailing Mr Palacios. Everyone's a winner! That's as good a suggestion as any. The only down side is that, out of his reputed £26k per week wages, Blackpool would pay £6k if we were lucky. Have you tried walking along the seafront there? If he thinks the Brit is windy......!!
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Post by foster on Jul 21, 2014 8:13:46 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if he failed the medical on purpose. He's seemed quite happy getting paid to do nothing the past few years.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2014 8:29:12 GMT
Terminate the contract then. Whatever. I wouldn't bother with the loan. Without doubt the worst signing the clubs made. Part of the legacy left to us. Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 21, 2014 8:44:16 GMT
Bloody hell.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2014 8:46:58 GMT
Part of the legacy left to us. Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football. Whoever signed him needs sacking. Oh hang on a min.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2014 8:48:49 GMT
Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football. Whoever signed him needs sacking. Oh hang on a min. Whoever signed Shawcross, Begovic, Huth, Etherington needs a bit of respect. Oh hang on a min, we're talking about Stoke fans....
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Post by miggo on Jul 21, 2014 8:49:19 GMT
Without doubt the worst signing the clubs made. [/quote]Part of the legacy left to us. [/quote] What an odd thing to say? Who's legacy? I presume TP's? I think his legacy involves more than Wilson Palacios!
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Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 21, 2014 8:58:59 GMT
Whoever signed him needs sacking. Oh hang on a min. Whoever signed Shawcross, Begovic, Huth, Etherington needs a bit of respect. Oh hang on a min, we're talking about Stoke fans.... First time I've tried this fishing lark. It's easier than I thought.
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Post by Ryan_Shawjosh on Jul 21, 2014 9:08:31 GMT
I have nothing against him personally but have we ever made a worse signing? 8 mill (roughly), no doubt a big sign on fee and fairly high wages for next to no return what so ever.
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 9:15:40 GMT
Do you think Stoke City had any inkling at all that Palacios may fail a medical?
I think it is almost impossible to imagine that we did not.
Our coaching staff and our medical staff must communicate on a daily basis and surely we have spent the best part of the last 3 years trying to work out what is wrong with him. 'Does Palacios have a physical problem, is he battling mental health issues, in short why has he become shit almost overnight?'
I doubt this medical failure has come as a massive surprise at Stoke City.
There have been several occasions over the last 3 years where I have been metaphorically screaming at the radio for the journalists who cover our club to ask the right questions directly about Palacios and do their job properly too. Something like "Tony/Mark/Mr. Coates, why in your opinion, is this signing who the fans were very excited about not working out?".
I never really heard that.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 21, 2014 9:53:10 GMT
Part of the legacy left to us. Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football. Indeed indeed plus a £30million debt wonder how that happened.
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Post by miggo on Jul 21, 2014 10:02:04 GMT
Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football. Indeed indeed plus a £30million debt wonder how that happened. Not just through TP, you must understand that all signings and deals would have been undertaken by Tony Scholes and after the confirmation of Peter Coates. The manager is only responsible for identifying his targets, the chief exec will conduct and or negotiate with the selling club and the chairman would rubber stamp the deal once everything has been agreed. So the 30m debt that you speak off which is now much less (less than 5mil isn't it?) would have been seen as an acceptable loss by the current regime at that time. Sent from my C6603 using proboards
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 21, 2014 10:04:57 GMT
Let's wait and see what his medical problem is before we rush to condemn.
Firstly I pray he hasn't got a serious illness that we wouldn't wish on anyone. Secondly I hope he hasn't been very silly and failed the drugs test part of the medical, in which case I would have thought Stoke could find him in breach of contract. Let's wish it is something that can be resolved and that he can get on with his career.
Where he goes and in what manner is up to him and the club; I just hope that nothing is agreed that upsets the rest of the squad and that the whole business is resolved quickly.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 21, 2014 10:12:52 GMT
Indeed. That and five years and of stable Premier League football. Indeed indeed plus a £30million debt wonder how that happened. Perhaps we would have been better off making a profit in the Championship. Seems that's what you're after?
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Post by stokefanone on Jul 21, 2014 10:17:19 GMT
I think that we have are being unfair calling us the stray dogs home still. That was surely a pulis issue, players would not join him if they had better options (unless you were a defender). Hughes has bought players who had other options that would have been prefered had tp being manager. Look at the siggurdson signing, clubs agree fee, player is looking eleswhere, tp strikes again! Tp did a successful job for us but he also left a large dark cloud over our image. Hughes has started to clear that, lets hope he stays around long enough to totally tranform us in the eyes of the football world.
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Post by Gods on Jul 21, 2014 10:22:34 GMT
I think that we have are being unfair calling us the stray dogs home still. That was surely a pulis issue, players would not join him if they had better options (unless you were a defender). Hughes has bought players who had other options that would have been prefered had tp being manager. Look at the siggurdson signing, clubs agree fee, player is looking eleswhere, tp strikes again! Tp did a successful job for us but he also left a large dark cloud over our image. Hughes has started to clear that, lets hope he stays around long enough to totally tranform us in the eyes of the football world. The "large dark cloud hanging over our image" before Mr. Pulis came along was that we had been a quarter of a century out of the big time and most people outside of the Potteries no longer realised we still existed.
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