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Post by sheikhmomo on Jul 18, 2014 12:11:57 GMT
Given the recent stance from the FA about bringing on younger players in lower league sides; it may not be a bad idea for Stoke to use the Vale in that capacity. Understand it would not go down well in many quarters but it would reduce animosity and be a good local outlet to give experience to some of our players. People would get used to it in time and it would save the club. They wouldn't be Vale to Vale fans then though would they? I dare say most if not all would prefer No Vale to Stoke Vale and I can see where they're coming from.
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Post by AlanHansen on Jul 18, 2014 12:12:47 GMT
I'm sure the council will bail the fuckers out again They'd better not! I assume they still owe us from the last time and wasn't that after the sum before was written off?
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Post by stokiejoe on Jul 18, 2014 12:15:12 GMT
Given the recent stance from the FA about bringing on younger players in lower league sides; it may not be a bad idea for Stoke to use the Vale in that capacity. Understand it would not go down well in many quarters but it would reduce animosity and be a good local outlet to give experience to some of our players. People would get used to it in time and it would save the club. They wouldn't be Vale to Vale fans then though would they? I dare say most if not all would prefer No Vale to Stoke Vale and I can see where they're coming from. I accept your point but if we are forced to go down that route we may as well use a struggling local club. After all even though they are misguided they are Potteries folk. Surely we can accommodate both their fans!
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Post by Davef on Jul 18, 2014 12:15:32 GMT
Get yer buckets out!
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Post by upthefud on Jul 18, 2014 12:16:12 GMT
Just spoke to a mate he reckons there's nothing in it, just Smurf being a tight cunt
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 18, 2014 12:16:18 GMT
Just had a look at the gazzete seems official Monday the 18th of august there is a hearing don t know how share link on my tablet yet
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 18, 2014 12:17:34 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week.
The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed.
Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football.
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Post by mattador78 on Jul 18, 2014 12:23:16 GMT
After a bit of browsing looks like its smurf moving the company between two trading names and this is an old outstanding debt by a non trading company
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 12:27:26 GMT
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Post by stokeramblers on Jul 18, 2014 12:28:26 GMT
From a cold pragmatic viewpoint it'd be great news for us if the Vale were Vaporised. Generations of untapped young football fans who could over time, be lured into our welcoming, corner filling grasp. I reckon we would see a rise in attendances once the die hard Vale fan generations died out/actively hunted down & slain.
A true one club City....
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Post by unknown182 on Jul 18, 2014 12:55:13 GMT
I'm proper gutted about thi... ooo look, a squirrel.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 18, 2014 13:32:16 GMT
They are going to struggle this season.
Hopefully.
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Post by crapslinger on Jul 18, 2014 13:44:33 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week. The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed. Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football. Couldn't give a flying fuck, if you don't live above your means you don't end up in the shit, basic economics really.
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Post by kevan45 on Jul 18, 2014 13:44:40 GMT
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Post by march4 on Jul 18, 2014 13:57:00 GMT
Workington Town went out of business as did Bradford Park Avenue.
Maidstone United disappeared mid-season.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 14:00:45 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week. The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed. Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football. nothing to do with that. far more to do with running Port Vale extremely badly. rooney's wages aren't paid for by money that has been "distributed" it's paid from money that Man Utd. have due to the success they've had over several decades gradually building them up into a very successful business. they have every right to pay therir players what they want. if Port Vale hadn't been run so badly it wouldn't be in this situation.it's sod all to do with inequality of financial distribution.....even if they had the same money Man Utd. did they'd still be in this position if they'd run the club like they have over the last few years.
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Post by Gods on Jul 18, 2014 14:06:22 GMT
This seems to happen all the time and it never ends in clubs ceasing to exist. How many times have Portsmouth been like "1 step away from not existing"? Considering it happens to a handful of clubs every season, i think it's all sensationalised. How many football clubs that have gone through all this kind of trouble and now don't exist anymore? Wimbledon was one. Any more? If I had a £ for every time I have tried to make this point
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jul 18, 2014 14:59:17 GMT
Transfer embargo? Points deduction?
Please?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 18, 2014 15:06:40 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week. The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed. Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football. nothing to do with that. far more to do with running Port Vale extremely badly. rooney's wages aren't paid for by money that has been "distributed" it's paid from money that Man Utd. have due to the success they've had over several decades gradually building them up into a very successful business. they have every right to pay therir players what they want. if Port Vale hadn't been run so badly it wouldn't be in this situation.it's sod all to do with inequality of financial distribution.....even if they had the same money Man Utd. did they'd still be in this position if they'd run the club like they have over the last few years. Don't agree at all. The money received by the old first division use to be shared far more evenly. The money passed down now is a fraction (I'm guessing) of what it use to be, while the draw of the Premiership will take away much of their revenue (glory hunters, and in Vale's case - more people turning to Stoke rather than Vale because of the lure of the Premiership). The pressure on wages across football from the Premiership continues. Unfortunately it's the ones at the bottom who suffer. Running clubs in the lower leagues and making the books balance is always difficult. Clubs struggle. They over stretch themselves to compete and fail. But that's OK because let's just fuck the rest of football then? A few years ago it could very well have been SCFC in this position - and probably more than once. I'll show compassion and support for my fellow football fans (even if I hate them). Oh, and Rooney's wages are paid by all the shit wandering around the country wearing Man U tops, or watching Man U on Sky and BT, rather than watching THEIR LOCAL TEAMS.
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Post by NassauDave on Jul 18, 2014 15:11:46 GMT
Fingers crossed then. Black And Gold Until They Fold.
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 18, 2014 15:15:40 GMT
The day they receive a winding up order, they sign two players! No further comment is necessary!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Jul 18, 2014 15:59:36 GMT
The day they receive a winding up order, they sign two players! No further comment is necessary! Make that three
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:14:27 GMT
My memory is not what it was...
What is 'Port Vale' ?
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 18, 2014 16:45:16 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week. The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed. Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football. Couldn't give a flying fuck, if you don't live above your means you don't end up in the shit, basic economics really. Can't the rich men of the Premiership afford to throw a crumb to save them? Just thank god it isn't SCFC who find themselves in this position - as it could very well have been.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jul 18, 2014 16:48:07 GMT
This seems to happen all the time and it never ends in clubs ceasing to exist. How many times have Portsmouth been like "1 step away from not existing"? Considering it happens to a handful of clubs every season, i think it's all sensationalised. How many football clubs that have gone through all this kind of trouble and now don't exist anymore? Wimbledon was one. Any more? If I had a £ for every time I have tried to make this point You'd have 6 or 7 pound? Weren't Wimbledon just stolen and moved to Milton Keynes?
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Post by Trouserdog on Jul 18, 2014 16:55:05 GMT
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Post by LDE76 on Jul 18, 2014 17:01:15 GMT
A clerical error? Is that like the Catholic Church ordaining hundreds of priests who turn out to be paedophiles? Looks like the Vale are screwed.
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Post by go4stoke on Jul 18, 2014 17:24:21 GMT
If you take over company that as debt you take debt on .So if he as not paid debt off new company liable for that debt . HMCR issued winding up order so what money outstanding they want it paid .
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Post by Sfance on Jul 18, 2014 17:39:53 GMT
Well said, UKC. Used to be that Stoke supporters were a bit more generous than the current bunch. The Liverpool cup-tie in '63-'64 was one of the most exciting games it's ever been my pleasure to be present at.
In the FA Cup, Vale conquered Fourth Division Bradford City with a 2–1 win at Valley Parade. They then defeated Workington 2–1 in a 'slipshod affair'.[1] The Third Round held First Division Birmingham City at St Andrew's. Three thousand of the 21,652 spectators were Vale fans, who 'sung and chanted their way through' a 2–1 victory.[1] In the Fourth Round Vale were drawn against top-flight giants Liverpool at Anfield. The "Reds" had inflicted a 6–1 thrashing of Stoke on Boxing day, in an ominous sign of the challenge the "Valiants" faced.[1] Vale achieved a goalless draw in front of 52,327 fans – 8,000 of them Vale supporters – in a fantastic team performance.[1] The replay at Vale Park ended in a 2–1 loss in front of 42,179 paying fans (as well as an additional 6,000 or so Liverpool supporters who 'mob stormed' the gates to enter the Railway Paddock)
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Post by EccyStokie on Jul 18, 2014 18:00:43 GMT
So Vale maybe wound up for a figure (I'm guessing) significantly less than what Rooney "earns" each week. The problem appears to be the massive inequality in how the money is distributed. Just because we have our snouts in the trough doesn't make it right for football. Another thing wrong with the English football league system. Anyone any idea how often lower league clubs in foreign leagues have these troubles? I.e is money distributed fairer?
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