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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 12:50:47 GMT
Post by steakandchips on Jul 25, 2014 12:50:47 GMT
I see he notched a brace in the training game today and more importantly kept pace with the other lads. even Jon?
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 12:51:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:51:38 GMT
I see he notched a brace in the training game today and more importantly kept pace with the other lads. Excellent news. I imagine he's probably bit unfit. Needs to get up to pace with the Prem! why would he be unfit? played a full season last year and has been training every day with Barca since pre-season started. he'll be fine fitness wise for us, the hard part (especially for someone as apparently "Sensitive" as he is as a person) is the adjustment to moving your life to a foreign country and knowing no-one in your new home etc. Hughes needs to have a very long arm to keep around Bojan's shoulders for a while i reckon. "Oi Les.........."
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 13:01:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 13:01:32 GMT
Did Spinksy say what happened when he opened his locker at half 11?
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 13:27:17 GMT
Post by nott1 on Jul 25, 2014 13:27:17 GMT
Did Spinksy say what happened when he opened his locker at half 11? He got his chorizo out!
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 13:52:48 GMT
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Post by Stoke711 on Jul 25, 2014 13:52:48 GMT
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Post by 2004 on Jul 25, 2014 14:03:43 GMT
The old number of Carlo Nash. He is lucky to wear such a great number
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Post by daveypotter on Jul 25, 2014 14:16:17 GMT
The number he wore his debut season at Barca which is hopefully a lucky omen!
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Post by slpmarc on Jul 25, 2014 14:28:35 GMT
The number he wore his debut season at Barca which is hopefully a lucky omen! Now that's coincidental
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Post by Batfink on Jul 25, 2014 14:29:55 GMT
The number he wore his debut season at Barca which is hopefully a lucky omen! Now that's coincidental I'm sure it's not
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 14:31:43 GMT
Post by daveypotter on Jul 25, 2014 14:31:43 GMT
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 14:44:37 GMT
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Post by roberthuth4 on Jul 25, 2014 14:44:37 GMT
I think he means its not coincidental haha
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Post by happycarrot on Jul 25, 2014 17:21:09 GMT
Yes, but he and Bojan both have Serbian fathers. That must be why Odemwingie likes it at Stoke, Mark Hughes once ate in a Nigerian restaraunt! Fucking hell talk about random! I can hear the conversation now Bojan - " Hey Arnie my Dad is Serbian as well" Arnie- " Wow, great that means we can like be best buds and everything" H Certainly won't do any harm Lakeland. They posted a pic on a Serbian site together so see your point despite someone having a childish dig. Odemwingie was of course not born in Nigeria which made it even more pointless.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 17:43:16 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2014 17:43:16 GMT
That must be why Odemwingie likes it at Stoke, Mark Hughes once ate in a Nigerian restaraunt! Fucking hell talk about random! I can hear the conversation now Bojan - " Hey Arnie my Dad is Serbian as well" Arnie- " Wow, great that means we can like be best buds and everything" H Certainly won't do any harm Lakeland. They posted a pic on a Serbian site together so see your point despite someone having a childish dig. Odemwingie was of course not born in Nigeria which made it even more pointless. Excellent spot! I await the discovery of the picture of Hughes and Wingie in a Nigerian Restaurant!
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 18:14:51 GMT
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Post by happycarrot on Jul 25, 2014 18:14:51 GMT
Certainly won't do any harm Lakeland. They posted a pic on a Serbian site together so see your point despite someone having a childish dig. Odemwingie was of course not born in Nigeria which made it even more pointless. Excellent spot! I await the discovery of the picture of Hughes and Wingie in a Nigerian Restaurant! What makes it more ironic is that is Odemwingie's father who was born in Nigeria but am sure that some attempt at sarcasm will try to hide the fact that he knew that already.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 18:44:17 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Jul 25, 2014 18:44:17 GMT
Interesting that Bojan says in the current webchat that he prefers to play centrally - if this view has been endorsed by Hughes in signing him, then that suggests he is more likely to be competition for Ireland as the link man than Odemwingie/Walters on the right. A couple of knock ons - does this put Adam's Stoke career in doubt (as he would either be 3rd choice for that spot, or 4th for one of the two deeper roles), and it further adds to the need for another winger to come in, whether Assaidi/Remond/MFW/another.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 18:59:33 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2014 18:59:33 GMT
Interesting that Bojan says in the current webchat that he prefers to play centrally - if this view has been endorsed by Hughes in signing him, then that suggests he is more likely to be competition for Ireland as the link man than Odemwingie/Walters on the right. A couple of knock ons - does this put Adam's Stoke career in doubt (as he would either be 3rd choice for that spot, or 4th for one of the two deeper roles), and it further adds to the need for another winger to come in, whether Assaidi/Remond/MFW/another. Jezza what formation to Ajax play? Bojan seems to have mostly played in his least favourite position (out wide) there. This might account for his modest haul of 4 goals. The other thing about playing our wide for Ajax is - did he play as a conventional winger on the right, or an inverted winger on the left? He might be better suited to a 4231 than whatever formation Ajax play. I can't see him leading the line though - so that, as you say, leaves the Ireland role or possibly the inverted winger role if he has never been used that way for Ajax.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:10:45 GMT
Post by jezzascfc on Jul 25, 2014 19:10:45 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width.
Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses.
The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:19:35 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2014 19:19:35 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width. Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses. The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season. Or play 4-3-1-2, like Liverpool did last season, with Arnie playing the Sterling role (the '1') and Bojan playing the 'Suraez' role in a '2' with Diouf. Again this formation can leave your full backs exposed if your midfield '3' isn't completely on the ball tactically though.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:20:16 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2014 19:20:16 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width. Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses. The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season. In that case Adam might as well leave. I know Adam and Ireland don't actually occupy the same position but when Adam plays we tend to accommodate him by putting him close to Whelan and playing NZonzi further forward in the Ireland position. With Bojan also competing for the Ireland spot the disruption to the system caused by playing Adam is going to seem quite an unattractive option methinks.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:24:35 GMT
Post by YounginStoke on Jul 25, 2014 19:24:35 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width. Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses. The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season. Or play 4-3-1-2, like Liverpool did last season, with Arnie playing the Sterling role (the '1') and Bojan playing the 'Suraez' role in a '2' with Diouf. Again this formation can leave your full backs exposed if your midfield '3' isn't completely on the ball tactically though. This would probably suit us at the moment considering we haven't got another proper wide player to play in a 4-2-3-1, who would you play as the extra man in the '3' though alongside Whelan and Nzonzi?
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:25:10 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jul 25, 2014 19:25:10 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width. Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses. The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season. Or play 4-3-1-2, like Liverpool did last season, with Arnie playing the Sterling role (the '1') and Bojan playing the 'Suraez' role in a '2' with Diouf. Again this formation can leave your full backs exposed if your midfield '3' isn't completely on the ball tactically though. I like that idea Paul
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:27:19 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2014 19:27:19 GMT
I was thinking we could play 4-3-2-1, the old Xmas tree, to accommodate two of Odemwingie, Arnie and Bojan in behind MBD. The only problem with that is that sometimes you can be a bit too narrow, and it asks a lot of your full backs to effectively play as wing backs to give the side width. Hughes does not really ask his wide men to hug the touchline, so, as you say, the inverted winger role may not be as limiting for him. From what I remember from his early days at Barca, he is more suited to the role just behind the main striker, to link play, find pockets of space and create/take chances. He is not a whippet who will skin a full back and fling in crosses. The more I think about it, he is probably after Ireland's role if we keep to the same tactics as last season. In that case Adam might as well leave. I know Adam and Ireland don't actually occupy the same position but when Adam plays we tend to accommodate him by putting him close to Whelan and playing NZonzi further forward in the Ireland position. With Bojan also competing for the Ireland spot the disruption to the system caused by playing Adam is going to seem quite an unattractive option methinks. You could get away with this against teams who come to shut up shop at the Brit though I guess. Bardsley---Ryan---Huth---Pieters ------------------Whelan--------------- ------N'Zonzi-------------Adam------- -------------------Arnie----------------- ----------Bojan----------Diouf---------
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:29:09 GMT
Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2014 19:29:09 GMT
Or play 4-3-1-2, like Liverpool did last season, with Arnie playing the Sterling role (the '1') and Bojan playing the 'Suraez' role in a '2' with Diouf. Again this formation can leave your full backs exposed if your midfield '3' isn't completely on the ball tactically though. This would probably suit us at the moment considering we haven't got another proper wide player to play in a 4-2-3-1, who would you play as the extra man in the '3' though alongside Whelan and Nzonzi? Odemwingie? Seems to be the forgotten man at the min.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:30:14 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2014 19:30:14 GMT
Or play 4-3-1-2, like Liverpool did last season, with Arnie playing the Sterling role (the '1') and Bojan playing the 'Suraez' role in a '2' with Diouf. Again this formation can leave your full backs exposed if your midfield '3' isn't completely on the ball tactically though. This would probably suit us at the moment considering we haven't got another proper wide player to play in a 4-2-3-1, who would you play as the extra man in the '3' though alongside Whelan and Nzonzi? Depending on the opposition either Sidwell or Adam mate.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:31:35 GMT
Post by YounginStoke on Jul 25, 2014 19:31:35 GMT
This would probably suit us at the moment considering we haven't got another proper wide player to play in a 4-2-3-1, who would you play as the extra man in the '3' though alongside Whelan and Nzonzi? Odemwingie? Seems to be the forgotten man at the min. I still wouldn't class him as a proper wide player, he plays better centrally but he does a good job out wide, Redmond or Assaidi are proper wide players IMO that would suit the wide role in a 4-2-3-1.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:33:53 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2014 19:33:53 GMT
Odemwingie? Seems to be the forgotten man at the min. I still wouldn't class him as a proper wide player, he plays better centrally but he does a good job out wide, Redmond or Assaidi are proper wide players IMO that would suit the wide role in a 4-2-3-1. I agree Odemwingie is far more effective playing up top, who can do a job out wide if asked to do so.
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Post by YounginStoke on Jul 25, 2014 19:34:22 GMT
This would probably suit us at the moment considering we haven't got another proper wide player to play in a 4-2-3-1, who would you play as the extra man in the '3' though alongside Whelan and Nzonzi? Depending on the opposition either Sidwell or Adam mate. Yeah I think Sidwell would do a good job in that '3' because he's a proper box to box midfielder, so he'd provide good support going forward too, yeah if you were playing Adam there though I'd suggest it would have to be against weaker opposition.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:34:35 GMT
Post by Lakeland Potter on Jul 25, 2014 19:34:35 GMT
In that case Adam might as well leave. I know Adam and Ireland don't actually occupy the same position but when Adam plays we tend to accommodate him by putting him close to Whelan and playing NZonzi further forward in the Ireland position. With Bojan also competing for the Ireland spot the disruption to the system caused by playing Adam is going to seem quite an unattractive option methinks. You could get away with this against teams who come to shut up shop at the Brit though I guess. Bardsley---Ryan---Huth---Pieters ------------------Whelan--------------- ------N'Zonzi-------------Adam------- -------------------Arnie----------------- ----------Bojan----------Diouf--------- Paul, Arnie certainly ought to be able to shine just behind two strikers. However, I have a nagging feeling that he has only been played once in a central role for us and he looked like a fish out of water - admittedly it was in the Ireland role in a 4231 and not in your formation. But, he does seem to prefer to be (at least nominally) on the wing.
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Bojan
Jul 25, 2014 19:34:39 GMT
Post by Clayton Wood on Jul 25, 2014 19:34:39 GMT
Odemwingie? Seems to be the forgotten man at the min. I still wouldn't class him as a proper wide player, he plays better centrally but he does a good job out wide, Redmond or Assaidi are proper wide players IMO that would suit the wide role in a 4-2-3-1. Agreed. But if the window closed now with no more signings (assumes the MFW doesn't sign) then Odem keeps the balance for me, and he's still quick at least for another season.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jul 25, 2014 19:38:22 GMT
You could get away with this against teams who come to shut up shop at the Brit though I guess. Bardsley---Ryan---Huth---Pieters ------------------Whelan--------------- ------N'Zonzi-------------Adam------- -------------------Arnie----------------- ----------Bojan----------Diouf--------- Paul, Arnie certainly ought to be able to shine just behind two strikers. However, I have a nagging feeling that he has only been played once in a central role for us and he looked like a fish out of water - admittedly it was in the Ireland role in a 4231 and not in your formation. But, he does seem to prefer to be (at least nominally) on the wing. Mate he'd have free reign to play wherever he wanted to, just like Sterling did last season, one minute he'd be on the left wing, the next minute the right, whatever he wants to do.
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