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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 16:44:59 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 17:19:53 GMT
Just on the topic, I was visiting from Oz at Christmas, seeing the family and getting a few Stoke games in and I went down Hope St. What a bloody difference to growing up as a kid. Sherwins Music or something like that at the top, then down to the Joke Shop. Ahh, the Joke Shop, used to absolutely love it growing up, full of brilliant stuff. And what about the centre of Hanley with the old meat/veggie market. Nowadays, it feels like a dump so I bugger off up to Leek where things still seem largely the same. Anyone else feel the same? Hope Street used to have three guitar shops which I visited regularly. One is now a porn shop and the other two are really struggling for business. Sad really. I've been going to those shops since I was a young lad and my father bought one of his first guitars from Route66 before it was called Route66, that might have been Sherwin's in fact. As I said, it's now an 'adult themed' shop. The rest of Hope Street is just a pile of shit. It's had various shops come and go within a few weeks (computer shops, games shops, even the odd sport shops) but very few have remained open. Just really sad to see somewhere that provided thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of young guitarists over several generations all around Stoke on trent with their first instrument is so horrifically falling to pieces. I think it's inevitable that the two other guitar shops will die and that will be that. Many local businesses are no longer needed as their market has moved online or to large out of town superstores. It may be sad to see these small shops struggle but you either evolve or die, there is no place for sentiment in the world today. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Jul 8, 2014 17:50:23 GMT
I just checked out the link. That is not journalism, lazy or otherwise. It is written by someone who would like to be a journalist but lacks the talent to be employed by a free weekly newspaper. It is an Arsenal fan simply venting like Arsenal fans do. Don't confuse a blogger with a journalist. |
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Jul 8, 2014 17:55:39 GMT
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Post by Stoke711 on Jul 8, 2014 17:55:39 GMT
I just checked out the link. That is not journalism, lazy or otherwise. It is written by someone who would like to be a journalist but lacks the talent to be employed by a free weekly newspaper. It is an Arsenal fan simply venting like Arsenal fans do. Don't confuse a blogger with a journalist. My apologies, I didn't read it all, got fed up of the usual crap. |
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jul 8, 2014 17:57:50 GMT
It's quite amusing searching for 'stoke' on twitter during a particularly tedious/thuggish World Cup game. There are so many mentions it nearly brings it to a standstill. Thousands and thousands of people from every country on earth who think they're oh-so-amusing. We're still probably the go-to 'shit' team to joke about worldwide. The Hughes transformation generally passed the world by. More seem to be Arsenal fans than any other NAND clearly ones who don't go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 18:48:29 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem? Highly unlikely as Hughes was getting paid a shit load for managing Man City in 2008. Hughes has never been universally loved as a manager anyway, anyone who thinks he is going to turn us into the new Southampton is living in a fantasy world. |
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Jul 8, 2014 19:11:13 GMT
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Post by Kjones9 on Jul 8, 2014 19:11:13 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem? Highly unlikely as Hughes was getting paid a shit load for managing Man City in 2008. Hughes has never been universally loved as a manager anyway, anyone who thinks he is going to turn us into the new Southampton is living in a fantasy world. Hughes out!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 19:19:52 GMT
I also love that our image is terrible i think its due to the amount of times we have battled to win/draw when we were wrote of before the match as well as the pulisball. Also stoke not being a great place for players to come and live. The thing is the term "Stoke" has already passed into everyday footballing parlance as a metaphor for physicality, hoofing, fouling, hostility, a complete lack of sophistication in every aspect of football and a grotesque set of noisy, violent, racist, unintelligent, homophobic, chip-eating, wife-beating, six fingered fans. That's us.  We all assign "badges" and ultimately we stereotype clubs, both collectively and individually. So, whether we like it or not, and more to the point, whether the badge and/or stereotype has any basis in fact or not, it's largely irrelevant anyway. Unfortunately, if that badge is overly negative, it can stigmatise not just the club - but an entire area and these reputations tend to stick around for generations too. So when somebody writes "Brazil are Stokeing it through the World Cup" - anyone reading it will know exactly what the author is driving at, even though the reader may know very well that SCFC are playing some pretty decent football under MH and they may even know that the fair play league shows us to be actually ahead of the supposed "playing football the right way" clubs like Arsenal. It's something that we simply have to accept. Unless we start shifting the perceptions by knocking on the doors of the European Leagues, our reputation will hang around like a bad smell in an unventilated kazi for years to come. Until then we simply have to enjoy the pong, like a freshly fertilised farmers field. So embrace it....breathe it in, out, in and out...aaah. Reputations can take seconds to acquire and a lifetime to shift. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2014 19:24:35 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem? No. We were 'tagged' based on the tactics our manager chose to use, to keep us in the Prem, which he did. Hughes' ethos is chalk and cheese. |
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Post by Ayupshag on Jul 8, 2014 19:38:44 GMT
Like I've said earlier in the thread, I love the image, it's who we are, what we became. We embraced it in the early premier league years and gave a big "fuck you" to anyone who questioned our club or our city.
I personally love it when I'm talking to someone either in another town or another country and they ask where I'm from. The look on their face when I say "Stoke on Trent" is priceless. It's usually followed by them saying "You lot are all fuckin mental" or "Jesus christ, it's a fuckin rough place Stoke is".
Like previous posts have said, it will be a long long time before that reaction from people changes. Me, I don't give a fuck what they think or say about us. We're different, and people are always afraid of what's different
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Jul 8, 2014 19:53:49 GMT
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Post by boomboom on Jul 8, 2014 19:53:49 GMT
Like I've said earlier in the thread, I love the image, it's who we are, what we became. We embraced it in the early premier league years and gave a big "fuck you" to anyone who questioned our club or our city. I personally love it when I'm talking to someone either in another town or another country and they ask where I'm from. The look on their face when I say "Stoke on Trent" is priceless. It's usually followed by them saying "You lot are all fuckin mental" or "Jesus christ, it's a fuckin rough place Stoke is". Like previous posts have said, it will be a long long time before that reaction from people changes. Me, I don't give a fuck what they think or say about us. We're different, and people are always afraid of what's different Different is good. Like your style fella. |
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Post by fiddlerx on Jul 8, 2014 21:07:52 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem? well Hughes him self has got a bad rep for it for his spell at blackburn so no not a chance. |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 9, 2014 7:08:48 GMT
would we have the image if hughes had been with stoke from first getting in the prem? Naaahh Nige. |
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Post by GrahamHyde on Jul 9, 2014 7:41:21 GMT
Whilst the football under Pulis was both at the time and retrospectively dire in the main, I doff my cap to him that he successfully created an identity for us that very few, if any, teams in the Premier League have outside of the top 4.
I absolutely LOVE the phrase 'Do it on a Tuesday night in Stoke'.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 7:55:27 GMT
I love how we are seen as a bit of a throw back, traditional working class football club, the heart of the local community, uncompromising and hard working players and passionate support. No one else in the premier league can create a hostile atmosphere like us. Hughes might change the style of play but he isnt going to change our identity, its not much different to how he was a player or the identity Blackburn had.
I hate the soul less, middle class entertainment brand that the premier league has become, i hope we are seen as the rough kids from the council estate ruining their party.
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Post by foster on Jul 9, 2014 8:16:48 GMT
We need to improve our brand if we want to increase our fan base and successfully expand abroad. We can't afford to stand still or we'll get left behind.
Saying that, I think our image has improved over the past year and long may it continue.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 8:40:47 GMT
We need to improve our brand if we want to increase our fan base and successfully expand abroad. We can't afford to stand still or we'll get left behind. Saying that, I think our image has improved over the past year and long may it continue. I'd just like to see some fucking silverware. The rest follows. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 8:48:44 GMT
We need to improve our brand if we want to increase our fan base and successfully expand abroad. We can't afford to stand still or we'll get left behind. Saying that, I think our image has improved over the past year and long may it continue. and how do we improve our brand? (i feel sick just typing that) We can either go down the Hull / Cardiff route and become a laughing stock or get into the champions league. Clubs at our level do not have a global brand or fan base. Playing some non contact, tv friendly football is not going to convert gloryhunters from Asia, it will just make us another inoffensive mid table side who are just making up the numbers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 8:52:57 GMT
We need to improve our brand if we want to increase our fan base and successfully expand abroad. We can't afford to stand still or we'll get left behind. Saying that, I think our image has improved over the past year and long may it continue. and how do we improve our brand? (i feel sick just typing that) We can either go down the Hull / Cardiff route and become a laughing stock or get into the champions league. Clubs at our level do not have a global brand or fan base. Playing some non contact, tv friendly football is not going to convert gloryhunters from Asia, it will just make us another inoffensive mid table side who are just making up the numbers. Improve our brand...  Quite right Entropy. |
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Post by apb1 on Jul 9, 2014 8:53:53 GMT
We need to improve our brand if we want to increase our fan base and successfully expand abroad. We can't afford to stand still or we'll get left behind. Saying that, I think our image has improved over the past year and long may it continue. and how do we improve our brand? (i feel sick just typing that) We can either go down the Hull / Cardiff route and become a laughing stock or get into the champions league. Clubs at our level do not have a global brand or fan base. Playing some non contact, tv friendly football is not going to convert gloryhunters from Asia, it will just make us another inoffensive mid table side who are just making up the numbers. Yes Pulis and Delap, along with the ferocious atmosphere, ensured we had a USP so we were at least noticed. I don't think we'll ever be big in Asia, and therefore we should concentrate on the domestic fan base. Keep the Brit a cauldron with cheap tickets and pulsating football, win a cup, and everyone else will continue to hate us, hopefully. I'd also like to be a beacon of non-cheating, with a culture of honesty a la Wilko jumping straight up after being clattered. Not going to happen but you can dream. |
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Post by foster on Jul 9, 2014 9:16:42 GMT
and how do we improve our brand? (i feel sick just typing that) We can either go down the Hull / Cardiff route and become a laughing stock or get into the champions league. Clubs at our level do not have a global brand or fan base. Playing some non contact, tv friendly football is not going to convert gloryhunters from Asia, it will just make us another inoffensive mid table side who are just making up the numbers. Yes Pulis and Delap, along with the ferocious atmosphere, ensured we had a USP so we were at least noticed. I don't think we'll ever be big in Asia, and therefore we should concentrate on the domestic fan base. Keep the Brit a cauldron with cheap tickets and pulsating football, win a cup, and everyone else will continue to hate us, hopefully. I'd also like to be a beacon of non-cheating, with a culture of honesty a la Wilko jumping straight up after being clattered. Not going to happen but you can dream. Pulis style is a differentiator not a USP. I wish we had some USPs!! There are plenty of markets we could look into, specifically where we have international players in our team. Is there much potential of increasing the fan base in the local area? I don't know. I'm not of the opinion that everyone hating us is a good thing for the club either. |
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Post by apb1 on Jul 9, 2014 11:58:06 GMT
Pulis with Delap with Bearpit was a pretty unique configuration though...
Hating stems from success. And not everyone will hate us if we do well enough.
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