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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 2:59:28 GMT
I don't tend to get involved in this sort of thing but I fear this could end in a bad way if nothing is done. I'll pass on the info if you PM me or contact the Police directly if you have any info. ------------------------------------------- Re-posted from my friends Facebook wall
I need your help. On Sunday 25th May around 2.10pm my wife was attacked by a dog at Silverdale Country Park. The dog was off lead at the time and unattended. Both of us were unable to stop my wife suffering bites to the back and front of her hand as she tried to protect our dog who was on a close lead. The owner of the dog eventually turned up. Whilst he did apologise he would not give us any contact details and turned his back and left quickly when I tried to take his photo. The photo shows the man, dog and 3 children on bikes who were with him. We spent 3 hours at the accident unit and my wife has to go back to the hospital to see a hand specialist later this week. The police would like to talk to the dog owner. Can you help to identify him? Next time it might not be 2 adults but a young child the dog attacks. Please feel free to re-post this. If you can identify the man please email me or contact Newcastle police (by dialling 101) crime reference 493; PC 5052 Cullen. Christopher Quayle
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 5:56:19 GMT
I think it's one of the half a million that arrived this year
Good luck to your mate cliff they'll need it.......don't expect an ounce of help from the police, they're nothing more than traffic Gestapo these days
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Jul 4, 2014 6:05:54 GMT
Hope they catch the twat.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:40:55 GMT
I don't tend to get involved in this sort of thing but I fear this could end in a bad way if nothing is done. I'll pass on the info if you PM me or contact the Police directly if you have any info. ------------------------------------------- Re-posted from my friends Facebook wall
I need your help. On Sunday 25th May around 2.10pm my wife was attacked by a dog at Silverdale Country Park. The dog was off lead at the time and unattended. Both of us were unable to stop my wife suffering bites to the back and front of her hand as she tried to protect our dog who was on a close lead. The owner of the dog eventually turned up. Whilst he did apologise he would not give us any contact details and turned his back and left quickly when I tried to take his photo. The photo shows the man, dog and 3 children on bikes who were with him. We spent 3 hours at the accident unit and my wife has to go back to the hospital to see a hand specialist later this week. The police would like to talk to the dog owner. Can you help to identify him? Next time it might not be 2 adults but a young child the dog attacks. Please feel free to re-post this. If you can identify the man please email me or contact Newcastle police (by dialling 101) crime reference 493; PC 5052 Cullen. Christopher Quayle I know this might sound ridiculous to some , but the clothing , the boots , the dog look Gypsy to me and I see them every day , so if anyone who reads this knows if there is a site nearby then my advice would be to check it out....seriously.
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Post by paulinespens on Jul 4, 2014 7:44:23 GMT
I might be wrong but that looks like Gary off only fools and horses from the back
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:48:24 GMT
Coincidently .....there was a similar incident on Marsh lane Frodsham two weeks ago which the police have an incident number for.
A Staffy type dog attacked a pensioner and her small jack Russell. The owner was described as male and in his twenties. Neither have been seen since and there is a gypsy site less than 150 yards away. This information can be checked out with Frodsham police who are investigating the horrifying incident.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 7:56:02 GMT
Coincidently .....there was a similar incident on Marsh lane Frodsham two weeks ago which the police have an incident number for. A Staffy type dog attacked a pensioner and her small jack Russell. The owner was described as male and in his twenties. Neither have been seen since and there is a gypsy site less than 150 yards away. This information can be checked out with Frodsham police who are investigating the horrifying incident. I knew you'd come good on this Mumf. I'lll pass that on - thanks mate.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 8:00:19 GMT
Coincidently .....there was a similar incident on Marsh lane Frodsham two weeks ago which the police have an incident number for. A Staffy type dog attacked a pensioner and her small jack Russell. The owner was described as male and in his twenties. Neither have been seen since and there is a gypsy site less than 150 yards away. This information can be checked out with Frodsham police who are investigating the horrifying incident. I knew you'd come good on this Mumf. I'lll pass that on - thanks mate. The incident actually took place on Marsh lane Frodsham and was only two weeks ago. The pensioners dog was actually killed as a result of puncture wounds . I would urge anyone interested in this case to show Cheshire Police the picture on here and if need be they can contact me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 11:19:26 GMT
The amount of dogs we see walking our not on a lead is ridiculous , same people who THINK their dog is not a problem. We have to take the same route off the estate every night to avoid 2 x Rottweilers who are loose in the front garden, A Staffie cross who is loose running free in a street and that's just to get off the estate.
To those of you that walk your dog off a lead, when YOUR dog comes sniffing around mine and MY dogs don't like it YOU have caused a problem.
My wife was bit by a small dog who did exactly that when she tried to protect our dog.
All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better.
I'm not a dog expert but when a dog is allowed to walk in front then it thinks it's job is to protect the pack, keep them by your side not be pulled down the street like a water skier as this makes you a follower not a pack leader.
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Post by cartman123 on Jul 4, 2014 11:33:48 GMT
Always the poor dog that suffers for the stupidity of the owner. Why not put owners down instead?
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 4, 2014 12:11:10 GMT
All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better. Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 12:58:37 GMT
The amount of dogs we see walking our not on a lead is ridiculous , same people who THINK their dog is not a problem. We have to take the same route off the estate every night to avoid 2 x Rottweilers who are loose in the front garden, A Staffie cross who is loose running free in a street and that's just to get off the estate. To those of you that walk your dog off a lead, when YOUR dog comes sniffing around mine and MY dogs don't like it YOU have caused a problem. My wife was bit by a small dog who did exactly that when she tried to protect our dog. All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better. I'm not a dog expert but when a dog is allowed to walk in front then it thinks it's job is to protect the pack, keep them by your side not be pulled down the street like a water skier as this makes you a follower not a pack leader. I hear what you say . Some of its true and some of it isn't. Let's start with your point about dogs coming over to yours that are off the lead. The reason why your dogs don't like this attention is because you haven't socialised and trained your dogs to the standards taken by the owner who's dog is off the lead. There can be many reasons for this . It can be down to your lack of experience or know how , or a dog that you have obtained from a rescue centre or as an adult dog ( a dog with issues) . My dogs are specially trained by me to accommodate such nervous aggressive dogs using subtle body language that only a dog understands. If my dog considers on approach to yours that the risk of attack is too great , then it will automatically back off without any command from me. This is called instinct. My dogs meet 40 or more strangers dogs in any one year and there has never been a fight or a bite of any kind. When a dog is walking on a lead then it is good practise to have the dog slightly behind you ...that is true. However , it is wrong to assume that if a dog is walking ahead then it assuming the role of pack leader. It is merely poorly trained . There is only one exception to this rule and that is those dogs who are trained to pull sleds. All dogs are pack animals and therefore you need to assume the role of pack leader. You need to assume your authority in a calm and placid way. You should never hit a dog and all training should be maintained on a reward based basis. All young dogs should be socialised from a very early age with other breeds big and small. This avoids the problems you are now encountering and are paranoid about. There is no such thing as a bad dog . There is only ever a bad owner. That applies to all breeds ,, but in the wrong hands certain dogs are more dangerous if not trained properly. I could spend hours and hours lecturing you , but at the end of the day it is how willing you are prepared to listen and follow the instructions. The essential points being ....socialisation at an early age. Exercise ...again very important but don't over do things when they're pups Regular and on going play based training . This should be at least upto 3 years of age. Diet. Greatly overlooked by the vast majority of people. Avoid ..Bakers , Wagg , in particular. Consider only feeding your dog on natural foods such as the BARF diet. Dogs digestive systems were not intended to accommodate what major pet food manufacturers put in them. Stuff known as 'fillers'. This includes high fat , high sugars , cereals and grains. Never leave Dog food on the floor for the dog to graze on. Dogs are not grazing animals. Dogs are opportunist feeders...think of the native Fox.! Feed your dog twice a day. If it hasn't eaten it's food after 20 minutes then pick it up ...It's not fucking hungry.,,! If people adopted this approach to dog welfare then they could quite easily save themselves a fortune... Hope this is of some use to someone. This strategy works 100% every time . Mumf
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 15:40:24 GMT
All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better. Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. Problem is i don't know your dog is well trained. We could all say this, some dogs are just very intimidating. All dogs should at least wear a mussel or something when off their lead.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 21:37:28 GMT
Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. Problem is i don't know your dog is well trained. We could all say this, some dogs are just very intimidating. All dogs should at least wear a mussel or something when off their lead. This could be said for Humans...? if dogs are well trained from birth there will be no issues, a bit like kids really. TEST
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 21:47:53 GMT
Problem is i don't know your dog is well trained. We could all say this, some dogs are just very intimidating. All dogs should at least wear a mussel or something when off their lead. This could be said for Humans...? if dogs are well trained from birth there will be no issues, a bit like kids really. TEST I don't disagree. It all comes down to Owners/Parents. Some owners shouldn't be allowed dogs and some parents shouldn't be allowed to have kids.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 3:14:23 GMT
I must admit when i'm out walking in the UK, it's always the big dogs on leads that seem to cause most of the problems. As for the dogs out here in Thai....i've never seen lead....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 8:52:18 GMT
I must admit when i'm out walking in the UK, it's always the big dogs on leads that seem to cause most of the problems. As for the dogs out here in Thai....i've never seen lead.... Do they still eat them out there ?
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 5, 2014 8:56:44 GMT
I must admit when i'm out walking in the UK, it's always the big dogs on leads that seem to cause most of the problems. As for the dogs out here in Thai....i've never seen lead.... Do they still eat them out there ? The ones that dont have rabies, yes.
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Post by Bagwash on Jul 5, 2014 10:56:25 GMT
Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. Problem is i don't know your dog is well trained. We could all say this, some dogs are just very intimidating. All dogs should at least wear a mussel or something when off their lead. Totally agree about the muzzling of dogs matey.It will stop dog bites immediately and to the best of my knowledge does not do any harm to the animal at all. A few months ago my Dad,who is in his seventies was pinned up against the side of a van by a large Alsatian dog.The dog was on a lead but the owner could not control it. Even though my Owd man had to spend two nights in hospital,have an operation on his arm and nearly ended up having skin grafts the incident was classed as a bite,not an attack.I know if the dog had been muzzled then he wouldn't have received the injuries he did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 14:20:43 GMT
I must admit when i'm out walking in the UK, it's always the big dogs on leads that seem to cause most of the problems. As for the dogs out here in Thai....i've never seen lead.... Do they still eat them out there ? Isn't it a Vietnamese practice? I've not seen it out here. Although my missus's mate "The Penang" did bring a bbq'd 10 inch reptile on a stick into our house once. "What the in the name of Jobe have you got there Penang?" I asked. "A dinosaur." replied The Penang, sheepishly.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 6, 2014 14:28:48 GMT
Do they still eat them out there ? Isn't it a Vietnamese practice? I've not seen it out here. Although my missus's mate "The Penang" did bring a bbq'd 10 inch reptile on a stick into our house once. "What the in the name of Jobe have you got there Penang?" I asked. "A dinosaur." replied The Penang, sheepishly. All of SE Asia eats dogs in the poorer parts. They'll eat anything they can kill, which is fair enough really.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 6, 2014 14:56:26 GMT
Do they still eat them out there ? Isn't it a Vietnamese practice? I've not seen it out here. Although my missus's mate "The Penang" did bring a bbq'd 10 inch reptile on a stick into our house once. "What the in the name of Jobe have you got there Penang?" I asked. "A dinosaur." replied The Penang, sheepishly. Korea mate , tastes just like chicken
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 10:21:35 GMT
All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better. Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 10:47:36 GMT
Attachment DeletedThe amount of dogs we see walking our not on a lead is ridiculous , same people who THINK their dog is not a problem. We have to take the same route off the estate every night to avoid 2 x Rottweilers who are loose in the front garden, A Staffie cross who is loose running free in a street and that's just to get off the estate. To those of you that walk your dog off a lead, when YOUR dog comes sniffing around mine and MY dogs don't like it YOU have caused a problem. My wife was bit by a small dog who did exactly that when she tried to protect our dog. All dogs on leads in public MUST be the law , All dogs to have Insurance as well sooner the better. I'm not a dog expert but when a dog is allowed to walk in front then it thinks it's job is to protect the pack, keep them by your side not be pulled down the street like a water skier as this makes you a follower not a pack leader. I hear what you say . Some of its true and some of it isn't. Let's start with your point about dogs coming over to yours that are off the lead. The reason why your dogs don't like this attention is because you haven't socialised and trained your dogs to the standards taken by the owner who's dog is off the lead. There can be many reasons for this . It can be down to your lack of experience or know how , or a dog that you have obtained from a rescue centre or as an adult dog ( a dog with issues) . My dogs are specially trained by me to accommodate such nervous aggressive dogs using subtle body language that only a dog understands. If my dog considers on approach to yours that the risk of attack is too great , then it will automatically back off without any command from me. This is called instinct. My dogs meet 40 or more strangers dogs in any one year and there has never been a fight or a bite of any kind. When a dog is walking on a lead then it is good practise to have the dog slightly behind you ...that is true. However , it is wrong to assume that if a dog is walking ahead then it assuming the role of pack leader. It is merely poorly trained . There is only one exception to this rule and that is those dogs who are trained to pull sleds. All dogs are pack animals and therefore you need to assume the role of pack leader. You need to assume your authority in a calm and placid way. You should never hit a dog and all training should be maintained on a reward based basis. All young dogs should be socialised from a very early age with other breeds big and small. This avoids the problems you are now encountering and are paranoid about. There is no such thing as a bad dog . There is only ever a bad owner. That applies to all breeds ,, but in the wrong hands certain dogs are more dangerous if not trained properly. I could spend hours and hours lecturing you , but at the end of the day it is how willing you are prepared to listen and follow the instructions. The essential points being ....socialisation at an early age. Exercise ...again very important but don't over do things when they're pups Regular and on going play based training . This should be at least upto 3 years of age. Diet. Greatly overlooked by the vast majority of people. Avoid ..Bakers , Wagg , in particular. Consider only feeding your dog on natural foods such as the BARF diet. Dogs digestive systems were not intended to accommodate what major pet food manufacturers put in them. Stuff known as 'fillers'. This includes high fat , high sugars , cereals and grains. Never leave Dog food on the floor for the dog to graze on. Dogs are not grazing animals. Dogs are opportunist feeders...think of the native Fox.! Feed your dog twice a day. If it hasn't eaten it's food after 20 minutes then pick it up ...It's not fucking hungry.,,! If people adopted this approach to dog welfare then they could quite easily save themselves a fortune... Hope this is of some use to someone. This strategy works 100% every time . Mumf Im 53 and had a dog the day I was born so we have had a few , None of my dogs have ever bit or attacked another dog or person they have both been well socialised from an early age and are intelligent trick preforming dogs who love children. As I said they have learned not to trust after being attacked twice by dog who need your help as they are owned by Morons who think a Staffi, Rottveiler, Alsation , Doberman some how makes them hard or a big man. My dogs now need to learn to trust other dogs one at a time slowly, it's not their fault morons dogs have taught them not to trust.
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 7, 2014 10:51:35 GMT
Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =) How is that the problem of 'my' dog, that yours is scared of others??? I realise that they are scared because someone else couldn't control their Staffie or Spaniel (seriously, a king charles spaniel?!), but that doesn't mean we should all cater to the lowest common denominator and be forced to leash/muzzle our perfectly harmless animals.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 11:05:00 GMT
A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =) How is that the problem of 'my' dog, that yours is scared of others??? I realise that they are scared because someone else couldn't control their Staffie or Spaniel (seriously, a king charles spaniel?!), but that doesn't mean we should all cater to the lowest common denominator and be forced to leash/muzzle our perfectly harmless animals. I'm sorry but yes we do have to cater to the lowest standard as that is the only way we can be sure. I love dogs but we have to stop any chance of dog attacks either on other animals or on people or there are those who will gladly ban them from the streets, wake up and smell the coffee our City is already looking at banning dogs from all public areas such as parks, as responsible dog owners we must act now before they do. Dogs on leads in public is a small price to pay.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 11:10:05 GMT
A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =) How is that the problem of 'my' dog, that yours is scared of others??? I realise that they are scared because someone else couldn't control their Staffie or Spaniel (seriously, a king charles spaniel?!), but that doesn't mean we should all cater to the lowest common denominator and be forced to leash/muzzle our perfectly harmless animals. Absolutely. You can't tar all dogs and owners with the same brush. I'm not in the business of training 'Morons Dogs' in answer to Riv. If the owner can't be trained , then there is little chance of training the dog successfully. Unfortunately these type of incidents tend to occur in more impoverished areas where bravado and a drugs culture usually exists. The other point is that a KC Spaniel is probably the most relaxed placid dog there is. It once again provides the proof that this is all about idiot owners not treating their dogs correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 21:34:12 GMT
Rubbish. A well trained dog is perfectly capable of being off its lead without causing problems. A well trained dog is also receptive to other dogs sniffing around it. Hope they catch the owner and the dog isn't too far gone to need to be put down. A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =) I hate pigeons, i would reward my dog for getting rid of flying rats. To be honest i don't know which i like less pigeons or their owners. You wash your car and 2 hours later it looks like it has been paint balled.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 22:24:11 GMT
A pigeon in my garden thought my cute little Cairn Terrier looked harmless, he is the third pigeon that has no head and is now half eaten. You assume that other dogs are happy to be sniffed by YOUR dog and although I know my last dog, a big soft Labby would let children ride on hime he was that soft my Cairn and my Weechon do not like other dogs after they were attacked in the street by a loose staffie and then again by a loose King Charles Spaniel, now they "rightly" do not trust dogs off lead and neither do I. It was the little dog that bit the Mrs hand so it does nt take a big dog to be a biter, Suarez is only small after all =) I hate pigeons, i would reward my dog for getting rid of flying rats. To be honest i don't know which i like less pigeons or their owners. You wash your car and 2 hours later it looks like it has been paint balled. Just be grateful that horses can't fly.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 23:34:58 GMT
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