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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 1, 2014 21:00:49 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28106900and before anybody says anything - I have many Muslim friends. Personally I would like to see the ban on the full veil introduced here. Showing your face shows respect to who you're communicating with. Covering up demeans woman.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Jul 1, 2014 21:04:17 GMT
Some of the women I know would look better with a veil.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:15:25 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28106900and before anybody says anything - I have many Muslim friends. Personally I would like to see the ban on the full veil introduced here. Showing your face show respect to who you're communicating with. Covering up demeans woman. Common (21st century) sense v medieval indoctrination. |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 1, 2014 21:26:42 GMT
It's about security a terror suspect from the London underground bombings left the country dressed in a burka and we had no power to stop her(him) as a matter of security this law should be upheld across Europe!
You want to live in Europe your more than welcome but as for the for the rest of Europe you abide by our European laws just like if we went to their country we'd abide by their laws!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:38:58 GMT
It's about security a terror suspect from the London underground bombings left the country dressed in a burka and we had no power to stop her(him) as a matter of security this law should be upheld across Europe! You want to live in Europe your more than welcome but as for the for the rest of Europe you abide by our European laws just like if we went to their country we'd abide by their laws! I'm not convinced if that's correct , but if integration is to be encouraged then your comments should be observed by everyone. |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 1, 2014 21:44:37 GMT
About time too.
Utter disgrace that people hide behind such things.
I want to see who I'm talking too, not peering at someone through a letter box aperture.
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 1, 2014 21:45:40 GMT
It's about security a terror suspect from the London underground bombings left the country dressed in a burka and we had no power to stop her(him) as a matter of security this law should be upheld across Europe! You want to live in Europe your more than welcome but as for the for the rest of Europe you abide by our European laws just like if we went to their country we'd abide by their laws! I'm not convinced if that's correct , but if integration is to be encouraged then your comments should be observed by everyone. Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 22:02:10 GMT
I'm not convinced if that's correct , but if integration is to be encouraged then your comments should be observed by everyone. Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? I'd love to be free to respond to your comments honestly , but in view of one of my comments on this thread being temporarily deleted before being reinstated some minutes later I won't . Suffice to say I think you make a very good point. |
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Post by ukcstokie on Jul 1, 2014 22:11:20 GMT
I'm not convinced if that's correct , but if integration is to be encouraged then your comments should be observed by everyone. Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? You should respect the culture where you're living or visiting. (that's why I drink wine in France  ) |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 1, 2014 22:11:51 GMT
Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? I'd love to be free to respond to your comments honestly , but in view of one of my comments on this thread being temporarily deleted before being reinstated some minutes later I won't . Suffice to say I think you make a very good point. Thanks mate all i want to try to get across is as the saying goes when in Rome do as the Romans and it really is that simple you can say this say that try to reason why but at the end of the day it's a very simple basic thing this is our law abide by it,we all this on a daily basis usually when the lad brings Katy home to help with the home work,KEEP thst door open Nick! Why dad? Because it's my house and while your here you'll do as i say! Dictatorship or not it is my house!  |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 1, 2014 22:12:45 GMT
Isn't the French law not so much about the Muslim veil (though obviously targeted) but a law on covering your face in public
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 22:22:41 GMT
Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? You should respect the culture where you're living or visiting. (that's why I drink wine in France ) I drink wine everywhere.  |
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Post by starkiller on Jul 1, 2014 22:23:50 GMT
Government enforcing what clothes you can wear to allow state surveillance of people through the use of facial recognition CCTV.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 22:24:16 GMT
You should respect the culture where you're living or visiting. (that's why I drink wine in France ) I drink wine everywhere. Bugger....I always thought it was whiskey. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 22:32:56 GMT
I drink wine everywhere. Bugger....I always thought it was whiskey. That too... |
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 1, 2014 22:34:44 GMT
Government enforcing what clothes you can wear to allow state surveillance of people through the use of facial recognition CCTV. Not really as a rule we don't normally wears clothes on our face and when we do a scarf ,balaclava if you are asked to remove it by an authoritative person you do no problems UNLESS your hiding something! |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 1, 2014 22:51:23 GMT
In banks and similar places there is clear signage to remove helmets and scarves. Even our offy has a sign up. No one complains about it. Ban the veil (vale?? ) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 23:15:27 GMT
In banks and similar places there is clear signage to remove helmets and scarves. Even our offy has a sign up. No one complains about it. Ban the veil (vale?? ) I wonder if under 'citizens arrest/rights ' any person can legally remove such religious costume where his/her affiliation to integration is violated by another whilst wearing such an item. In France perhaps yes, but in Bradford perhaps not. We are more civilised afterall. |
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 1, 2014 23:20:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28106900and before anybody says anything - I have many Muslim friends. Personally I would like to see the ban on the full veil introduced here. Showing your face shows respect to who you're communicating with. Covering up demeans woman. Even if it's the woman's choice to wear the veil... difficult. Think I agree with you all the same, right now British Muslims need to do more to integrate if they want to keep religious freedom and respect, they have to meet people half way on this imho. |
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Post by murphthesurf on Jul 1, 2014 23:21:34 GMT
Bugger....I always thought it was whiskey. Indeed he does. Whisky AND wine. One in either hand.........  |
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Post by maninasuitcase on Jul 1, 2014 23:41:38 GMT
In banks and similar places there is clear signage to remove helmets and scarves. Even our offy has a sign up. No one complains about it. Ban the veil (vale?? ) I wonder if under 'citizens arrest/rights ' any person can legally remove such religious costume where his/her affiliation to integration is violated by another whilst wearing such an item. In France perhaps yes, but in Bradford perhaps not. We are more civilised afterall. Civilised yes, tolerant definitely. However I'm not saying we should go around ripping them off people's faces, more telling then it's unacceptable in our free society. I personally think they are unacceptable in any country never mind here. |
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Post by britsabroad on Jul 2, 2014 0:44:25 GMT
You adapt to the culture of the country you're in OR you go about your business quietly and dont impact the natives.
Forcing your own culture on your new hosts never ends well. Well done to France for standing up to it.
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Post by NassauDave on Jul 2, 2014 3:30:07 GMT
Shit, I thought that this was the name of our latest Belgian signing...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2014 9:11:15 GMT
In banks and similar places there is clear signage to remove helmets and scarves. Even our offy has a sign up. No one complains about it. Ban the veil (vale?? ) I wonder if under 'citizens arrest/rights ' any person can legally remove such religious costume where his/her affiliation to integration is violated by another whilst wearing such an item. In France perhaps yes, but in Bradford perhaps not. We are more civilised afterall. no they can't you can only action a "Citizen's arrest" if it's necessary to prevent injury to themselves or someone else,damage or destruction to property, if they are in the act of committing an indictable offence or when you can't reasonably expect a constable to arrive on the scene before an indictable offence has been committed (indictable meaning an offence that could be tried in Crown court on criminal grounds in front of a jury, wearing a veil wouldn't fall into this category ) |
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Post by elystokie on Jul 2, 2014 9:25:48 GMT
I'm not convinced if that's correct , but if integration is to be encouraged then your comments should be observed by everyone. Mumf i have lived and traveled abroad and i abide by their laws and regulations,in the UK my wife can ware a bikini and sit in the front of a car,go to Saudi Arabia and she can't but if i said hey we're English we're allowed would that be acceptable? Mate and me were walking around Jebel Ali years ago drinking cans of coke when a 4x4 driven by an ex-pat screeched to a halt next to us and the driver told us to get in quick, when we questioned him he said if we were seen drinking coke in the street by any of the police/authorities we'd be chucked straight into one of their cells. Apparently it is/was a heinous offence during Ramadan, we had no idea. We were usually all (RN ratings) extremely careful when out there, so easy to unwittingly trangress one of their laws. |
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Post by bmstoke on Jul 2, 2014 12:01:28 GMT
I'd love to be free to respond to your comments honestly , but in view of one of my comments on this thread being temporarily deleted before being reinstated some minutes later I won't . Suffice to say I think you make a very good point. Thanks mate all i want to try to get across is as the saying goes when in Rome do as the Romans and it really is that simple you can say this say that try to reason why but at the end of the day it's a very simple basic thing this is our law abide by it,we all this on a daily basis usually when the lad brings Katy home to help with the home work,KEEP thst door open Nick! Why dad? Because it's my house and while your here you'll do as i say! Dictatorship or not it is my house! Why do you want to watch your lad shagging Katy. |
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Post by salopstick on Jul 2, 2014 12:12:12 GMT
You adapt to the culture of the country you're in OR you go about your business quietly and dont impact the natives. Forcing your own culture on your new hosts never ends well. Well done to France for standing up to it. This^ if you dont act on somthing like this you will find yourselves in a situation of trying to bolt the door after the horse has escaped (or somthing like that). the more you concede or do nothing about the more will get conceded i think this country is now in a state where integration changes needs to be forced but at the same degree some forced toleration. there has to be middle ground and we have to find it |
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Post by lordb on Jul 2, 2014 12:55:35 GMT
I thinking banning the Vale outright is a bit harsh
be happy to see them return to divsion 4 though & who knows maybe non-league beckons?
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Post by digger on Jul 2, 2014 13:51:22 GMT
No vale (bravo)happy days  |
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Post by serpico on Jul 2, 2014 14:02:44 GMT
5 million muslims in france and around a minimum of 350 - a maximum of 2,000 actually wear the full head veil (the french police did an investigation that yielded a number so low they did the investigation again and came up with the 2,000 number).
There 's 1.5 million muslims in England, so if the trend is the same i would guess as few as a few hundred wear burkas, why is this even an issue ?.
Is it really worth enacting a law for a supposed "problem" that is so miniscule ?.
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