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Post by stokecity4eva on Apr 30, 2014 17:51:50 GMT
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 30, 2014 18:30:48 GMT
Some very good points from here raised. Cheers and well done to all concerned.
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Post by wokinghampotter on Apr 30, 2014 18:33:02 GMT
Quite right. Positive criticsm is what is needed. Abuse no need for that at all for if we are supporters we are all after the same thing. Success!
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Post by Gob Bluth on Apr 30, 2014 18:42:43 GMT
I like the suggestion of streaming the U21 games.
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Post by werrington on Apr 30, 2014 18:57:46 GMT
Away ticket priority has to based on who purchased what regards away tickets this season
Ie.,, those who went 15+ games get priority then say 10+ and so on
Those who shelled out this season should be rewarded
It's what happens with all clubs and indeed the England national side
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 30, 2014 19:06:26 GMT
More utter fucking rot from Scholes.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 30, 2014 19:15:25 GMT
More utter fucking rot from Scholes. Foul and abuse language You are on the hit list, hiding behind your identity
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Post by sheikhmomo on Apr 30, 2014 19:19:21 GMT
More utter fucking rot from Scholes. Foul and abuse language You are on the hit list, hiding behind your identity Not 'slanderous' though is it. It's pinpoint in its accuracy. 'Slanderous', dear, dear me what a sad little man.
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 30, 2014 19:25:27 GMT
More utter fucking rot from Scholes. I wondered how long it'd be until you arrived Momo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 19:28:37 GMT
Slanderous abuse?
Two points Mr Scholes:
1) Sky Sports News said it was about Pizza's.
2) Keep your ears closed en route to the Stadium and never set foot anywhere else other than your comfy hole in the JSU. If you don't like what is written about you on here, you certainly won't like what is said about you on the terraces.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 19:33:41 GMT
Question to the SC:
"Anthony Emmerson recapped that work for the 2014/2015 season is still currently under review and the best fit model will be decided shortly. An internal model had been put forward and the research into this was on-going. An announcement will be made by the end of May 2014"
This implies to me that there is very little and next to no involvement/input from the SC on this matter and it's very much a case of "We set the rules, you either like it or lump it".
Is this true?
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Post by ange1 on Apr 30, 2014 19:52:58 GMT
Given that we are meeting with the club again on Saturday , would suggest that we are not liking or lumping it as you put it. I certainly don't feel that I'm wasting my time. We have asked for supporters thoughts too. Momo, if I didn't know better, I would suggest that you are stirring again !
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 19:58:09 GMT
Given that we are meeting with the club again on Saturday , would suggest that we are not liking or lumping it as you put it. I certainly don't feel that I'm wasting my time. We have asked for supporters thoughts too. Mono, if I didn't know better, I would suggest that you are stirring again ! Yes, I saw the part that referred to the sub group. I'm just questioning the input that you have had to date and are likely to have before the end of May. The wording of that paragraph suggested to me that the key decisions have already been made and that the SC are going to be steered down a path that the club want to go down.
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Post by ange1 on Apr 30, 2014 20:15:50 GMT
It is not a sub group meeting , this is any member of the council who wishes to attend. No decisions have been made to our knowledge and I doubt that anyone will be steered down any path that they do not wish to take. It would surely be easier for the club to state this is what's happening rather than waste everyone's time , including their own? The sub group will meet again before the end of May too.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 30, 2014 20:18:43 GMT
Question to the SC: "Anthony Emmerson recapped that work for the 2014/2015 season is still currently under review and the best fit model will be decided shortly. An internal model had been put forward and the research into this was on-going. An announcement will be made by the end of May 2014" This implies to me that there is very little and next to no involvement/input from the SC on this matter and it's very much a case of "We set the rules, you either like it or lump it". Is this true? Serious question. If you feel the SC is such a waste of time why don'y you join and air your views. Maybe you could help turn things around and shape the future of our club from the supporters side of the fence. I will vote for you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 20:19:21 GMT
It is not a sub group meeting , this is any member of the council who wishes to attend. No decisions have been made to our knowledge and I doubt that anyone will be steered down any path that they do not wish to take. It would surely be easier for the club to state this is what's happening rather than waste everyone's time , including their own? The sub group will meet again before the end of May too. Thanks for the information ange. Please don't take this personally. As you can probably tell, i'm very cynical and dubious about the SC, from the angle of how they are viewed by the club and just what 'sway' they have in decision making, rather than the genuine intentions of the people that sit on it. Without any in depth knowledge of what goes on in these meetings, I'd make one sweeping statement. "I wish the club would listen to supporters more than it does. They know more about the supporter base than any club employee ever would"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2014 20:22:27 GMT
Question to the SC: "Anthony Emmerson recapped that work for the 2014/2015 season is still currently under review and the best fit model will be decided shortly. An internal model had been put forward and the research into this was on-going. An announcement will be made by the end of May 2014" This implies to me that there is very little and next to no involvement/input from the SC on this matter and it's very much a case of "We set the rules, you either like it or lump it". Is this true? Serious question. If you feel the SC is such a waste of time why don'y you join and air your views. Maybe you could help turn things around and shape the future of our club from the supporters side of the fence. I will vote for you. I think my last post to ange sums up my feelings quite nicely.
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Post by ange1 on Apr 30, 2014 20:27:07 GMT
Please don't take this personally either, but I would not be party to anything where I felt that I was either a puppet, being manipulated or worst of all, being deceived. I agree with your " sweeping statement" , hence my involvement in the council. I think differing views are good and if stated in a proper matter enhance all dialogue
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Post by StokieAsh13 on Apr 30, 2014 20:47:04 GMT
TS states that he does not like people making comments & hiding behind a name on a forum. However surely instead of hiding behind the Supporters Council & voicing his views that way, he could perhaps organise a meeting himself with some fans who have certain concerns & be able to share his concerns also directly.
Criticising fans through a 3rd party is what I expected in all honesty. Perhaps he should take into consideration that many of the posters who have made contributions on this forum are generally members of the paying public that give up their own time & hard earned money to watch their team play each week. He wonders why the club comes under criticism when certain situations happen like back in January, when no one owned up to being accountable for there stupid actions.
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Post by RF10 on Apr 30, 2014 20:51:56 GMT
Interesting comment regarding non commitment to the free travel for next season. I thought they had already agreed to run this for 3 seasons? If this is not the case and club do stop free travel there will be a lot of disappointed supporters.
Also If the free travel is to continue the current way to 'reward' the volunteers who act as couriers needs reviewing. I know on instances the vouchers given out have already expired or due to expire within a short period of time meaning no reward actually being given for their help.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2014 21:46:38 GMT
Do people actually give a shit about the flag? Genuine question.
I couldn't give two shits personally, think it's great that it's gone. It adds nothing to anything bar when some bugger farts underneath but then it just helps to pollute a confined space with a foul stench. Keep the flag fooked off I say!
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Post by MadMarko10 on Apr 30, 2014 22:05:16 GMT
Just going one further on Bayern's post.. "Anthony Emmerson agrees that fan engagement is very important on this subject."Indeed it is, and I'm yet to meet one single Stoke fan who actually wants this fucking flag. Don't bother. There's your engagement right there. Anyways, it's great to see whether it's possible to stream the Under 21 matches being looked into, and possibly more Academy games. Yeah, you might get a couple of hundred maximum but that's more exposure than it's getting right now and that can only be a good thing. So thanks to the SC for bringing this matter up
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2014 22:09:07 GMT
Who is Anthony Emmerson? Great name but a new one.
And yes the streaming of the youth games would be excellent, I think there's a lot more interest there than the club give us credit for. If it's accessible people will watch it.
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 30, 2014 23:03:22 GMT
Do people actually give a shit about the flag? Genuine question. I couldn't give two shits personally, think it's great that it's gone. It adds nothing to anything bar when some bugger farts underneath but then it just helps to pollute a confined space with a foul stench. Keep the flag fooked off I say! They do obviously. I can imagine some think that it is of utmost importance. Unfortunately.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Apr 30, 2014 23:04:12 GMT
Do people actually give a shit about the flag? Genuine question. I couldn't give two shits personally, think it's great that it's gone. It adds nothing to anything bar when some bugger farts underneath but then it just helps to pollute a confined space with a foul stench. Keep the flag fooked off I say! They do obviously. I can imagine some think that it is of utmost importance. Unfortunately. Obviously they do, weird. Who though? Show yourselves!
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Post by robinreliant on May 1, 2014 0:02:39 GMT
I welcome the new format, more comprehensive minutes, but have several observations to make about them:
1) why does the tense of the minutes start in the present, then flip to the past, then back to the present again ? I thought it was protocol to write all minutes in the past tense ?
2) why is there no record made of the lack of either attendance or apologies from Tracey Van Der Laarschott ? It's starting to become a habit for some members of the SC to overlook the privileged position they hold, although they were elected unopposed, and fail to adequately apologise for their absence from SC meetings.
3) does the 4 month option, offered at other clubs via V12, actually have a near 200% APR, stated as immoral by TS, or is this more spin from our Chief Executive to disguise his apparent ignorance of the need for a non credit checked plan which was widely taken up by the fanbase last season ? If so, why did he fail to mention this previously ?
4) why does the club persist in accepting the faintly ridiculous excuses regarding the poor PA system trotted out by the media department ? As a professional organisation, the quality and standard of the media offering to fans is frankly woeful, and laughingly amateur.
5) I recognise the unsung resilience and commitment shown by SC members, in not accepting the party line trotted out by the club, and in challenging these statements which have been queried by Oatcake posters.
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 1, 2014 6:46:30 GMT
Two things; The chairman is Malcolm Clarke from the SC and it is the SC meeting so why does a club representative have to vet the minutes before they are published. Absolutely nothing about real issues such as rip off ticket prices now that media receipts are closing in on £100m. The monopolising of local radio match broadcasting by SCFC to rob fans, who can't afford the outrageous gate prices, of their final few quid.
Sorry three things.
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Post by mcf on May 1, 2014 6:50:18 GMT
Thank God the parking and traffic is getting sorted out...
fucking muppets!
That ok Scholesy or do you need to sign the posts off or just get someone else at the club to look at them?
condescending prick
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Post by bathstoke on May 1, 2014 6:55:40 GMT
More utter fucking rot from Scholes. Foul and abuse language You are on the hit list, hiding behind your identity Fuck is not foul, it's just Anglo-Saxon meaning: to divot. & if you don't like it, £@#& 0££ back to your own country!!!
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Post by nicholasjalcock on May 1, 2014 7:44:58 GMT
I'm not impressed by Mr Scholes complaint about foul and abusive comments and slanderous comments on these Proboards. I think we can accept the former is a fact but the latter can only be proven and demonstrated in court. If I had sophisticated attenae I would look at the intensity, degree and amount of abuse to measure fan's anger. I'm not saying that makes it right to be abusive but if I were Mr Scholes I would want to know the 'lay of the land'.
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