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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 27, 2014 16:41:26 GMT
Can't really argue about having the same chance but my point is surely some kind of loyalty points scheme would stop all this?
Indeed, this is the post I posted on the Supporters Council thread Mutters.
Hi Malcolm
You've only got to look at the debacle with the WBA tickets today, where people have queued for hours in the rain or for hours on line, only to come away empty handed, to see how absolutely essential it is for a fair (and that's the important bit) priority system to be in place for next season.
There are examples of people who haven't been away all season who now have a ticket for West Brom, yet there are people who have been to the majority of away games this season who haven't.
This surely cannot be right can it?
Now we have Stokies at each other throats because there isn't a fair and equitable system in place. THIS HAS TO CHANGE. Really Malcolm in 2014 we shouldn't have people queuing for hours in the rain with no hope of getting a ticket. In my humble opinion the system should be based on a points system and work something like this. 1. As a season ticket holder you get (say) 380 points automatically dumped onto your account at the start of a season (the equivalent to 20 points for each home game you're going to attend) - a supporter who attends home games without a season ticket will get 20 points put onto their account for every home ticket that they purchase. 2. All supporters get additional points added to their account for home cup tickets that they purchase - say 20 points. 3. All supporters get additional points allocated for away tickets that they purchase, say 100 points for Newcastle on a mid-week game, 50 points for a London or North East game on a Saturday, and then less points for away games closer to home and depending if it's at the weekend or not. Then when away tickets go on sale, the club will announce that during the first three or four days of sale you will need to have 'X' amount (the highest amount) of points on your account in order to purchase a ticket, then for the next three or four days, you will need to have 'Y' amount (the second highest amount) of points on your account and so on and so on, until all the tickets are sold, or they eventually get to general sale. This way you avoid people queuing in person or on the phone unnecessarily and avoid supporters ending up at each other throats because the shutters came down on the ticket office when they were moments away from reaching the front of the queue. Also you actively ENCOURAGE people to travel to the away games that are more difficult to get to because you REWARD them directly for doing so! Of course all of the above is open to massive discussion and the figures I've quoted are just me pulling figures out of the air to demonstrate an example as I think on the fly on a Friday evening but I'm sure you get the fundamental POINT I'm making. And of course it's nothing like as complicated as it sounds, we already a use very similar software to award points for purchases that we make as customers of SCFC anyway. Cheers Paul Hadn't seen that post Paul and imo thats a great idea.In this day and age we surely can't have repeats of the other day.Then again would Stoke's systems be able to cope with it
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 16:42:00 GMT
The loyalty scheme isn't always a fair way of doing things either in my opinion because there are plenty of fans who for whatever circumstances can't make every away game,so why should they miss out if they want to travel to an away game? The scheme is open to abuse as well so doesn't always give a true representation on how many games a certain person has actually attended. In my opinion the system doesn't really need changing from how it is now.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 16:43:17 GMT
Other clubs do it Mutters and it's not particularly difficult software to implement but of course it is Stoke City we're talking about here!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 16:46:13 GMT
The loyalty scheme isn't always a fair way of doing things either in my opinion because there are plenty of fans who for whatever circumstances can't make every away game,so why should they miss out if they want to travel to an away game? The scheme is open to abuse as well so doesn't always give a true representation on how many games a certain person has actually attended. In my opinion the system doesn't really need changing from how it is now.
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 27, 2014 16:46:39 GMT
Other clubs do it Mutters and it's not particularly difficult software to implement but of course it is Stoke City we're talking about here!
I know they do mate thats why i can't see why we can't either.I also got told yesterday that interest in joining the Potters Foundation has gone mad so much so that they can't cope with it.I wonder why
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Post by scfc76 on Apr 27, 2014 16:47:22 GMT
what a thread this has turned out to be. mine and 5 other tickets booked and paid for at 12.06am via SCFC direct, just like we do for every away game. So simple and easy. But according to slogger this doesnt make us real fans because we didnt go down the Brit. Fucking PISSER you mate.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 27, 2014 16:47:57 GMT
I would hope that the club would look at how "priority places" are allocated for Cup and away games at other Premiership Clubs.
No system will suit every fan, not every away game will be a sell out.
If there is a big away game in the first few weeks of next season, it will be interesting to see how that is administered.
However in the meantime, it will be great to have a full house in the away end at West Brom in 2 weeks time
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 16:49:29 GMT
The loyalty scheme isn't always a fair way of doing things either in my opinion because there are plenty of fans who for whatever circumstances can't make every away game,so why should they miss out if they want to travel to an away game? The scheme is open to abuse as well so doesn't always give a true representation on how many games a certain person has actually attended. In my opinion the system doesn't really need changing from how it is now.
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
Surely if you go to every game away from home you will pay the extra £30 or so to guarantee yourself a ticket? If you don't then you have the same right as every other Stoke fan to a ticket regardless of how many games you have been.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 27, 2014 16:50:33 GMT
The loyalty scheme isn't always a fair way of doing things either in my opinion because there are plenty of fans who for whatever circumstances can't make every away game,so why should they miss out if they want to travel to an away game? The scheme is open to abuse as well so doesn't always give a true representation on how many games a certain person has actually attended. In my opinion the system doesn't really need changing from how it is now.
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
Everybody had the chance and indeed entitlement to buy a plat membership. I got one for the reason stated above, that I can't afford every away game and wanted to make sure I could get a ticket when I could afford. I have had one every season and this is the first time I have needed to use it since the cup final.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 27, 2014 16:52:13 GMT
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
Surely if you go to every game away from home you will pay the extra £30 or so to guarantee yourself a ticket? If you don't then you have the same right as every other Stoke fan to a ticket regardless of how many games you have been. Your missing the point sid because i'm on about next season as well.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 16:53:55 GMT
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
Surely if you go to every game away from home you will pay the extra £30 or so to guarantee yourself a ticket? If you don't then you have the same right as every other Stoke fan to a ticket regardless of how many games you have been.
Why should you have to pay though, just to give yourself the same chance as somebody who goes once a season?
If you're putting in the miles and spending the dollars week in week out why should you be treated as a second class supporter unless you cough up even MORE money?
Doesn't your loyalty in itself count for something?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 16:56:16 GMT
Surely if you go to every game away from home you will pay the extra £30 or so to guarantee yourself a ticket? If you don't then you have the same right as every other Stoke fan to a ticket regardless of how many games you have been. Your missing the point sid because i'm on about next season as well. I know you are mate,and I know we are introducing a loyalty scheme,or I'm sure I heard it somewhere. So people who have been the most games this season will get priority. My point is that this scheme is open to abuse and doesn't always give a true representation on who has attended these games. I don't see a great deal wrong with the system that is already in place to be honest.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 16:58:46 GMT
Eh?
You're going to have to come up with some incredible argument to convince me that somebody who hasn't been to an away game all season should be able to go to West Brom ahead of somebody else who has put the effort in and spent the money travelling away all season, all because they bought their way to the front of the queue with a Platinum membership.
Everybody had the chance and indeed entitlement to buy a plat membership. I got one for the reason stated above, that I can't afford every away game and wanted to make sure I could get a ticket when I could afford. I have had one every season and this is the first time I have needed to use it since the cup final.
Thing is Stafford if everybody bought one then they would become worthless wouldn't they?
There's a principal here about rewarding the people who make the most effort and spend the most money following the club and not undermining them unnecessarily.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 27, 2014 16:59:21 GMT
Your missing the point sid because i'm on about next season as well. I know you are mate,and I know we are introducing a loyalty scheme,or I'm sure I heard it somewhere. So people who have been the most games this season will get priority. My point is that this scheme is open to abuse and doesn't always give a true representation on who has attended these games. I don't see a great deal wrong with the system that is already in place to be honest. Its all about opinions mate but i can't agree with that all.What would happen also if the club did subsidised tickets instead of free coach travel?Away followings increase and a mass free for all like last week.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 27, 2014 17:02:14 GMT
Everybody had the chance and indeed entitlement to buy a plat membership. I got one for the reason stated above, that I can't afford every away game and wanted to make sure I could get a ticket when I could afford. I have had one every season and this is the first time I have needed to use it since the cup final.
Thing is Stafford if everybody bought one then they would become worthless wouldn't they?
There's a principal here about rewarding the people who make the most effort and spend the most money following the club and not undermining them unnecessarily.
I agree with the loyalty point I am just saying the the plat system was there to be used for a reason so people can't really moan when it is. I am also in the potters foundation and have been from the start. I joined it to help with the funding of the academy. Will people moan if that gets priority?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 17:06:56 GMT
Surely if you go to every game away from home you will pay the extra £30 or so to guarantee yourself a ticket? If you don't then you have the same right as every other Stoke fan to a ticket regardless of how many games you have been.
Why should you have to pay though, just to give yourself the same chance as somebody who goes once a season?
If you're putting in the miles and spending the dollars week in week out why should you be treated as a second class supporter unless you cough up even MORE money?
Doesn't your loyalty in itself count for something?
My argument is that if you're that loyal that you travel to every game surely you make sure you get a ticket? I can see flaws in the current system but I also see massive flaws in a loyalty based system as well so I'm not sure it needs changing. In my opinion £30 is a small price to pay if you go to every game away from home. I also don't necessarily agree that someone who has been to 10 away games this season deserves a ticket more than, say someone who has only been to five. Many supporters cannot make every away game due to circumstances in their lives so should they not have a chance to go and watch an away game if they can make one?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 17:08:44 GMT
Thing is Stafford if everybody bought one then they would become worthless wouldn't they?
There's a principal here about rewarding the people who make the most effort and spend the most money following the club and not undermining them unnecessarily.
I agree with the loyalty point I am just saying the the plat system was there to be used for a reason so people can't really moan when it is. I am also in the potters foundation and have been from the start. I joined it to help with the funding of the academy. Will people moan if that gets priority?
Yeah I see what you mean there mate.
For me I don't think there should be any way that you can buy your way to the front of the queue, however it's done, the principal of it just seems wrong to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2014 17:10:14 GMT
I know you are mate,and I know we are introducing a loyalty scheme,or I'm sure I heard it somewhere. So people who have been the most games this season will get priority. My point is that this scheme is open to abuse and doesn't always give a true representation on who has attended these games. I don't see a great deal wrong with the system that is already in place to be honest. Its all about opinions mate but i can't agree with that all.What would happen also if the club did subsidised tickets instead of free coach travel?Away followings increase and a mass free for all like last week. Won't fans be able to use each other's season tickets to amass loyalty points even though they aren't really travelling,it happens now when we haven't got this system in place so it will definitely happen when it is.
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Post by stokie25 on Apr 27, 2014 17:12:54 GMT
I totally agree that loyalty should be rewarded, particularly with the outrageous away prices fans have to pay. Conversely, though Paul, you have to concede that away games are a luxury for families that support Stoke City, it costs us nearly a grand to renew season tickets alone. It would be nice, where finances allow for us to go to the odd away game too. West Brom tickets cost me £60 and that's without any other outlay in terms of taxis to the Brit for the free travel and any other sundries. I think it's one of the cheaper games we could afford to do! All credit to those who regularly attend away fixtures but it shouldn't be exclusive to those who can do it more often financially than any other supporter!
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 27, 2014 17:14:13 GMT
Its all about opinions mate but i can't agree with that all.What would happen also if the club did subsidised tickets instead of free coach travel?Away followings increase and a mass free for all like last week. Won't fans be able to use each other's season tickets to amass loyalty points even though they aren't really travelling,it happens now when we haven't got this system in place so it will definitely happen when it is. Who knows mate?I must be nieve because i wasn't aware of that
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Post by heisenberg88 on Apr 27, 2014 17:14:38 GMT
Scrap all loyalty dick measuring I'm a better supporter than you schemes and make it first come first served. Gives everybody a chance who wants to go away now and again instead of the ones who go every game thinking they have a divine right to be guaranteed a ticket.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Apr 27, 2014 17:15:29 GMT
Why should you have to pay though, just to give yourself the same chance as somebody who goes once a season?
If you're putting in the miles and spending the dollars week in week out why should you be treated as a second class supporter unless you cough up even MORE money?
Doesn't your loyalty in itself count for something?
My argument is that if you're that loyal that you travel to every game surely you make sure you get a ticket? I can see flaws in the current system but I also see massive flaws in a loyalty based system as well so I'm not sure it needs changing. In my opinion £30 is a small price to pay if you go to every game away from home. I also don't necessarily agree that someone who has been to 10 away games this season deserves a ticket more than, say someone who has only been to five. Many supporters cannot make every away game due to circumstances in their lives so should they not have a chance to go and watch an away game if they can make one?
In my opinion no they shouldn't mate, not if there is less tickets available than supporters who want to go.
The supporters who have been travelling to the most games should get first priority in my opinion.
That's what seems fair to me.
England, Liverpool, ManU, Man Citeh all operate points based systems for away ticket priority, if those clubs all of a sudden said you could buy your way to the front of the queue even if you only went to one away game a season, then there would be absolute uproar amongst their supporters and understandably so, in my opinion.
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Post by bandit on Apr 27, 2014 17:39:25 GMT
Alls I can say is there is no more of a loyal worker for Stoke than my mate he works hard putting up with miserable bastards at the turnstiles every other week.
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Post by block23er on Apr 27, 2014 18:08:29 GMT
Is this the only Away game to have sold out?,Don't remember such threads for Man City,Palace or Man Utd.We have a decent system it's worked all season but then again West Brom is only 40 mins away and dirt cheap.
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Post by robinreliant on Apr 28, 2014 0:04:38 GMT
Scrap all loyalty dick measuring I'm a better supporter than you schemes and make it first come first served. Gives everybody a chance who wants to go away now and again instead of the ones who go every game thinking they have a divine right to be guaranteed a ticket. This position has its merits too ! After all, if away tickets are solely allocated on a points scheme, whereby the more away games you've previously attended the more points you'll get, surely the same people will have the priority game after game ? Makes me wonder if the club should actually sell a separate away games only season card ???? God help us if we ever qualify for a Wembley appearance again, as that brought out the same sides to people's characters as this issue has. It makes me wonder whether we, as a fanbase, are all willing to embrace progress and change at our club ?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 28, 2014 5:45:26 GMT
Back on my own thread to make a plea that it would be nice if any new system also gave some measure of priority to exiles for games near to where they live. This NOT a plea for me to get special treatment - I am retired and reasonably flush with cash so I can, if the mood takes me, go to a shedload of away games and keep my priority high under a points system - as I did before the soon to be discontinued membership system arrived.
I'm thinking of exiles who live in places like London, South Wales or the North East who work some weekends or can only afford to make it to a few away games per season, then it would make sense for them to have some measure of priority for their local game or games. The club will know the addresses of all people on the database.
Let's take North East exiles as an example. Let's say that there are 200 of them - would it be unreasonable, when tickets for next season's Newcastle and Sunderland away game went on sale to arrange things so that the first day of sales would be allocated on a first come first served basis to the first 100 North East based Stokies to apply? Any who failed to get a ticket in the first 100 would then have to take their chances when tickets went on sale under whatever other level of priority was set for the game.
Looking at it from an exiles point of view, if I could for whatever reason, only make it to one or two away games a season, I'd be spitting feathers if I lived in South Shields and I couldn't get a ticket for the Newcastle or Sunderland games when they came round. In practice, given that we rarely sell out away games, most regular away fans would not be disadvantaged by my suggested policy, but away fans living locally to an away ground would get some measure of confidence that they would have a decent chance of getting to their local game(s)
Remember that exiles, unlike North Staffs based fans can't take advantage of free travel. Although I do wish the club would operate a ticket discount scheme rather than free travel - but that's an argument for another day.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 28, 2014 6:22:30 GMT
Back on my own thread to make a plea that it would be nice if any new system also gave some measure of priority to exiles for games near to where they live. This NOT a plea for me to get special treatment - I am retired and reasonably flush with cash so I can, if the mood takes me, go to a shedload of away games and keep my priority high under a points system - as I did before the soon to be discontinued membership system arrived. I'm thinking of exiles who live in places like London, South Wales or the North East who work some weekends or can only afford to make it to a few away games per season, then it would make sense for them to have some measure of priority for their local game or games. The club will know the addresses of all people on the database. Let's take North East exiles as an example. Let's say that there are 200 of them - would it be unreasonable, when tickets for next season's Newcastle and Sunderland away game went on sale to arrange things so that the first day of sales would be allocated on a first come first served basis to the first 100 North East based Stokies to apply? Any who failed to get a ticket in the first 100 would then have to take their chances when tickets went on sale under whatever other level of priority was set for the game. Looking at it from an exiles point of view, if I could for whatever reason, only make it to one or two away games a season, I'd be spitting feathers if I lived in South Shields and I couldn't get a ticket for the Newcastle or Sunderland games when they came round. In practice, given that we rarely sell out away games, most regular away fans would not be disadvantaged by my suggested policy, but away fans living locally to an away ground would get some measure of confidence that they would have a decent chance of getting to their local game(s) Remember that exiles, unlike North Staffs based fans can't take advantage of free travel. Although I do wish the club would operate a ticket discount scheme rather than free travel - but that's an argument for another day. Nowt wrong with the idea LP but these games don't sell out anyway. The Baggies is one of very few or maybe even the only League away game that has sold out since Wembley.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 28, 2014 6:35:48 GMT
Yes, I agree Stafford, which is why I'm fairly laid back about the new priority scheme even though as I get older I go to fewer away games and so won't have a particularly high priority.
But, if I lived in Swansea for example, and that was our last away game of next season with a lot riding on it (relegation, Champions League place - take your pick!) I'd be fairly pissed off if I couldn't get a ticket for my "local" away game. Giving 100 or so exiles a better chance of getting a ticket in those circumstances would be a small but significant step in my opinion.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 28, 2014 6:38:15 GMT
Yes, I agree Stafford, which is why I'm fairly laid back about the new priority scheme even though as I get older I go to fewer away games and so won't have a particularly high priority. But, if I lived in Swansea for example, and that was our last away game of next season with a lot riding on it (relegation, Champions League place - take your pick!) I'd be fairly pissed off if I couldn't get a ticket for my "local" away game. Giving 100 or so exiles a better chance of getting a ticket in those circumstances would be a small but significant step in my opinion. Yeah I can see that. Good idea.
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Post by RAF on Apr 28, 2014 6:50:56 GMT
Back on my own thread to make a plea that it would be nice if any new system also gave some measure of priority to exiles for games near to where they live. This NOT a plea for me to get special treatment - I am retired and reasonably flush with cash so I can, if the mood takes me, go to a shedload of away games and keep my priority high under a points system - as I did before the soon to be discontinued membership system arrived. I'm thinking of exiles who live in places like London, South Wales or the North East who work some weekends or can only afford to make it to a few away games per season, then it would make sense for them to have some measure of priority for their local game or games. The club will know the addresses of all people on the database. Let's take North East exiles as an example. Let's say that there are 200 of them - would it be unreasonable, when tickets for next season's Newcastle and Sunderland away game went on sale to arrange things so that the first day of sales would be allocated on a first come first served basis to the first 100 North East based Stokies to apply? Any who failed to get a ticket in the first 100 would then have to take their chances when tickets went on sale under whatever other level of priority was set for the game. Looking at it from an exiles point of view, if I could for whatever reason, only make it to one or two away games a season, I'd be spitting feathers if I lived in South Shields and I couldn't get a ticket for the Newcastle or Sunderland games when they came round. In practice, given that we rarely sell out away games, most regular away fans would not be disadvantaged by my suggested policy, but away fans living locally to an away ground would get some measure of confidence that they would have a decent chance of getting to their local game(s) Remember that exiles, unlike North Staffs based fans can't take advantage of free travel. Although I do wish the club would operate a ticket discount scheme rather than free travel - but that's an argument for another day. Look, it's your choice where you live and the same for everybody else. If you travel miles to get to games fair play to you, but I don't see why any particular area should get tickets apportioned to it just because of where people might live. That's like saying people living in Stoke should get priority on season tickets over everyone else in the country. It's a bollocks idea. H
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