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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2014 15:25:59 GMT
It's 17 years old now.
The Vic stood for 116 years but it's a rip and replace world we live in now.
I am wondering when the first of the new breed all-seater "MacStadiums" will start to be replaced. A bit like 2nd time around double-glazing.
Perhaps we should not tinker expensively at the edges with the corners and instead go for the latest archtectural design and technology 32,500 number when the time is right.
And don't forget to squirrel away a few quid for the purpose between now and then. Do it now while Sky TV are still parking wheelbarrows full of bank notes at our door.
Many a mickle make a muckle.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 23, 2014 15:28:31 GMT
According to a mate that worked on the building of it "we would one day in the main stand disappear down a mine shaft" I keep reminding him its been 17 years now
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 23, 2014 15:28:38 GMT
Knock it down now or even give it the Vale and rebuild on the Vic site. A proper stadium in a built up area with some life.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2014 15:29:15 GMT
I tell you what G, there isn't half some random thoughts that drop in to your mind
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Post by block27row27 on Apr 23, 2014 15:29:16 GMT
Hadn't thought about it like that before. I'd be fully behind building a new ground though.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Apr 23, 2014 15:30:17 GMT
According to a mate that worked on the building of it "we would one day in the main stand disappear down a mine shaft" I keep reminding him its been 17 years now Well that should get the seat swap deadline going
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Post by mrred on Apr 23, 2014 15:37:27 GMT
I don't mind the Brit. Never have. It's just the absolutely fucking god awful location of it. Surrounded by soulless car garages and warehouses. And the harvester is hardly a proper pre football pub is it?
Can't we just move it and make some proper access roads? I'm sure they don't need their houses on Campbell Road.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 15:43:06 GMT
The Brit is only a year younger then me so it's all I've known. Have to say I'm quite fond of it, not for any logical reason mind! But I'd be sad to see it go
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 15:45:36 GMT
If it has as short a lifetime as Gods fears then it could be the first stadium to be pulled down before it is even completed!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 15:46:38 GMT
Knock it down now or even give it the Vale and rebuild on the Vic site. A proper stadium in a built up area with some life. as much as i loved the Vic (halcyon days!) it would mean having to pretty much go back to the area where i had my least favourite job of all time and the memories that held......and for that reason, i'm out! (although it did mean my mum got to go back to the house she was born at along Campbell road when i went for my interview so wasn't all bad)
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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2014 15:47:15 GMT
I tell you what G, there isn't half some random thoughts that drop in to your mind I should have called this thread "How long will we stand for the Brit?"
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Post by metalhead on Apr 23, 2014 15:50:35 GMT
To be honest, the Brit kind of looks like it needs a tidy up. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but I've noticed lots of large cracks appearing in the last few years. Makes me wonder how well they actually built it, and whether modern stadiums are meant to be disposable, so to speak.
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Post by Davef on Apr 23, 2014 15:54:35 GMT
To be honest, the Brit kind of looks like it needs a tidy up. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but I've noticed lots of large cracks appearing in the last few years. Makes me wonder how well they actually built it, and whether modern stadiums are meant to be disposable, so to speak. I wonder what Peter Coates truly thinks of the stadium when he travels round the Premier League and visits the other new grounds that have been built around the time or since the Britannia went up? He was must surely realise what a botch job we made of it. Sadly, I reckon we have just about the worst of the new major stadia that have been built since the mid 1990s.
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Post by Sergeant Muttley on Apr 23, 2014 15:59:16 GMT
To be honest, the Brit kind of looks like it needs a tidy up. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but I've noticed lots of large cracks appearing in the last few years. Makes me wonder how well they actually built it, and whether modern stadiums are meant to be disposable, so to speak. I wonder what Peter Coates truly thinks of the stadium when he travels round the Premier League and visits the other new grounds that have been built around the time or since the Britannia went up? He was must surely realise what a botch job we made of it. Sadly, I reckon we have just about the worst of the new major stadia that have been built since the mid 1990s. Huge Carbuncle on a vast wasteland as it was once described
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 16:06:03 GMT
To be honest, the Brit kind of looks like it needs a tidy up. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but I've noticed lots of large cracks appearing in the last few years. Makes me wonder how well they actually built it, and whether modern stadiums are meant to be disposable, so to speak. I wonder what Peter Coates truly thinks of the stadium when he travels round the Premier League and visits the other new grounds that have been built around the time or since the Britannia went up? He was must surely realise what a botch job we made of it. Sadly, I reckon we have just about the worst of the new major stadia that have been built since the mid 1990s. I agree it's a horrible asymmetrical mess(the architect wants shooting) that was done on the cheap. The area around it is fine if you want to buy a car but absolutely bloody useless for anything else. A completely shit football ground and not one befitting a team playing at the highest level.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Apr 23, 2014 16:06:15 GMT
If it has as short a lifetime as Gods fears then it could be the first stadium to be pulled down before it is even completed! My money is on Vale Park for that title personally.
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Post by george2again on Apr 23, 2014 16:15:42 GMT
Lets all be honest here, The Brit is pretty shit compared to most other new stadiums, it reflects a lack of money & investment when we moved. The cries for the corners to be filled in is because our ground is embarrassing and looks unfinished and nothing more. It will never be financially viable to fill the corners so rip it down and start again. Someone had to say it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 16:17:09 GMT
Knock it down now or even give it the Vale and rebuild on the Vic site. A proper stadium in a built up area with some life. This. It is and always has been a shit football stadium built in a shit location. The fact that it's been built on a huge opencast mining site,probably means we won't have to put up with it for much longer.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 23, 2014 16:19:08 GMT
What sort of cost would there be to build a new stadium for say 35-40k?
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Apr 23, 2014 16:23:46 GMT
What sort of cost would there be to build a new stadium for say 35-40k? Add 3 0's at least Probably double that depending on the site.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Apr 23, 2014 16:30:24 GMT
I'm always amazed when other clubs are looking at building new grounds and prices are quoted in the 100s of millions and then think back to ours being built for ~£15m if I remember correctly. Aren't West Ham going to have to spend £20m just to convert the olympic stadium? It might be shit but I guess it is decent value at the least.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 23, 2014 16:40:25 GMT
To be honest, the Brit kind of looks like it needs a tidy up. Maybe I'm just being pedantic, but I've noticed lots of large cracks appearing in the last few years. Makes me wonder how well they actually built it, and whether modern stadiums are meant to be disposable, so to speak. I wonder what Peter Coates truly thinks of the stadium when he travels round the Premier League and visits the other new grounds that have been built around the time or since the Britannia went up? He was must surely realise what a botch job we made of it. Sadly, I reckon we have just about the worst of the new major stadia that have been built since the mid 1990s. That tw@t Jez Moxey's fault. As bigger tw@t as we have now...
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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2014 16:44:24 GMT
I'm always amazed when other clubs are looking at building new grounds and prices are quoted in the 100s of millions and then think back to ours being built for ~£15m if I remember correctly. Aren't West Ham going to have to spend £20m just to convert the olympic stadium? It might be shit but I guess it is decent value at the least. Yes, it may be shit, but at least it was cheap shit
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Post by Gods on Apr 23, 2014 16:47:53 GMT
Lets all be honest here, The Brit is pretty shit compared to most other new stadiums, it reflects a lack of money & investment when we moved. The cries for the corners to be filled in is because our ground is embarrassing and looks unfinished and nothing more. It will never be financially viable to fill the corners so rip it down and start again. Someone had to say it. That's true mate. I don't believe for half a second that the latent demand is there to fill the 1,500 seats we currently can't fill along with the additional 2,000 new seats which filling in a corner would provide. But I still want it to happen so the frigging place at least looks like someone has tried to finish it!
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Apr 23, 2014 16:47:47 GMT
Wont be long I dont think. 90s stadiums were pretty much built on the cheap because it was a thing that HAD to be done, not necessarily something people WANTED to be done. With the new lease of mega money in the prem you would think many would consider completely rebuilding Instead of expanding.
If we had a new ground, i'd love it to be built on the vic and be modern with a classic twist. An original looking safe standing terrace at the boothen end, but with top class facilities and access.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 23, 2014 16:48:25 GMT
What sort of cost would there be to build a new stadium for say 35-40k? Well there can't be many areas of the country that have land prices as cheap as North Staffs & as that's the lions share of the cost we could get a competitive bargain...
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Post by Boothen on Apr 23, 2014 16:48:29 GMT
Knock it down now or even give it the Vale and rebuild on the Vic site. A proper stadium in a built up area with some life. Fuck that idea right off! I live right next to where the old Vic stood which means I'm also very close to the Brit too, no more than a slow ten minute stroll away. There is no way on Earth that I'm having the Vale in my backyard. Besides, I very much doubt that that shower of shite coul fill one stand, let alone a 27,740 capacity stadium.
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Post by lagwafis on Apr 23, 2014 16:49:27 GMT
What sort of cost would there be to build a new stadium for say 35-40k? There's never really a set figure for something like this given there are so many factors involved. These can range from location, foundations, planned facilities and size, future-proofing, long term development, surrounding infrastructure, safety sign off and so on. Cardiff's new stadium was listed as a £48 million project for 28,050 seats (with opportunity to expand to 32,000 according to the Leckwith development project it was part of). Swansea's cost in 2003 was roughly £27 million for 20,750 seats going from their website. The KC Stadium in 2002 was £44 million for 25,400 seats. Leicester opened in 2002 as a 32,000 stadium for approx £37 million. Personally I wouldn't expect us to relocate in our life time. It's a shame we could never do anything with the location of the Vic but we were really struggling for space on a limited budget. Expanding the Butler Street Stand would eat into a car park, the Boothen Stand was boxed in against terraced houses while you had the school building at the back of the Boothen End and Selwyn Street / Butler Street at the back of the Stoke End (if we could have demolished these and the school it would have given us a bit more room to play with - apologies to anyone who might live there )
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Post by ukcstokie on Apr 23, 2014 16:49:27 GMT
I'm always amazed when other clubs are looking at building new grounds and prices are quoted in the 100s of millions and then think back to ours being built for ~£15m if I remember correctly. Aren't West Ham going to have to spend £20m just to convert the olympic stadium? It might be shit but I guess it is decent value at the least. Lots of people making lots of money I'd guess. Wasn't the Stadium of Light about the same price as the Brit but with a much larger capacity?
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 23, 2014 17:01:59 GMT
What sort of cost would there be to build a new stadium for say 35-40k? There's never really a set figure for something like this given there are so many factors involved. These can range from location, foundations, planned facilities and size, future-proofing, long term development, surrounding infrastructure, safety sign off and so on. Cardiff's new stadium was listed as a £48 million project for 28,050 seats (with opportunity to expand to 32,000 according to the Leckwith development project it was part of). Swansea's cost in 2003 was roughly £27 million for 20,750 seats going from their website. The KC Stadium in 2002 was £44 million for 25,400 seats. Leicester opened in 2002 as a 32,000 stadium for approx £37 million. Personally I wouldn't expect us to relocate in our life time. It's a shame we could never do anything with the location of the Vic but we were really struggling for space on a limited budget. Expanding the Butler Street Stand would eat into a car park, the Boothen Stand was boxed in against terraced houses while you had the school building at the back of the Boothen End and Selwyn Street / Butler Street at the back of the Stoke End (if we could have demolished these and the school it would have given us a bit more room to play with - apologies to anyone who might live there ) So a few more prem seasons and we are in! Lol. We could sell the Brit back to the council as a community stadium.
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