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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 21:49:05 GMT
Moyes isn't a bad manager, he's a very very good one. Just not good enough for Manchester Utd.The best British managers generally get their chance at a big club at some point. I disagree, I think it was just unfortunate timing for him. What qualified him for that job? He'd won nowt and the fans at the club he was at were starting to tire of him. His public pronouncements suggested he couldn't cope with the job and his tactics were small time and reactive for a club of their stature. Timing or not, he should have done better than he did. He's been a disaster. |
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Post by Olgrligm on Apr 22, 2014 22:04:13 GMT
Something different is getting on my wick now.
I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing and reading people going on about having got Moyes 'out of my club' and 'it's the worst I've ever seen my team' and all that other stuff - all from people from China, Malaysia, America, Stoke-on-Trent, Belfast and everywhere except bloody Manchester. These parasites are the lowest of the low and shouldn't be given the airtime.
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Post by siggy on Apr 22, 2014 22:13:10 GMT
Someone once said - there are Old managers and there are bold managers but there are no old bold managers.
Hang on............. it might have been pilots not managers
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Post by hammered on Apr 22, 2014 23:40:16 GMT
Don't feel sorry for the bloke, knew what he was taking on - and wasn't good enough. Shareholders rule.com Having said that Moyes is a good manager and no doubt would be welcomed at the Boleyn - if he could stomach the challenge.  |
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Post by coates on Apr 23, 2014 1:12:06 GMT
David moyes is a tactical genius.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 23, 2014 6:40:51 GMT
I really don't think changing the manager will make much difference. We all know he inherited an ageing past it defence and a mediocre midfield that somehow had the confidence in themselves to win the PL last season. The players won't magically all of a sudden find themselves again under a new manager. It will take time and the problem will be that there is no CL footie to attract top players next season. This will have a domino effect and I think Manchester will be revelling in one club for a few seasons and it won't be United.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Apr 23, 2014 6:59:10 GMT
I really don't think changing the manager will make much difference. We all know he inherited an ageing past it defence and a mediocre midfield that somehow had the confidence in themselves to win the PL last season. The players won't magically all of a sudden find themselves again under a new manager. It will take time and the problem will be that there is no CL footie to attract top players next season. This will have a domino effect and I think Manchester will be revelling in one club for a few seasons and it won't be United. More likely, the main effect will be that United will have to pay over the odds to attract the players they want. But changing the manager will help - a new manager of high calibre and experience at a big club will find it easier to get the right players in than Moyse did. I think the hardest thing will be to persuade the owners of how many players have to be culled. It isn't just a question that the club is short of 4 or 5 top class players. There is almost a whole team there who really aren't up to the job. If the new manager tells the hierarchy that he needs a whole new back four and almost a new midfield (and that's what he should say) will they back him? |
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Post by tijuanabrass on Apr 23, 2014 9:10:38 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Apr 23, 2014 9:54:41 GMT
Something different is getting on my wick now. I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing and reading people going on about having got Moyes 'out of my club' and 'it's the worst I've ever seen my team' and all that other stuff - all from people from China, Malaysia, America, Stoke-on-Trent, Belfast and everywhere except bloody Manchester. These parasites are the lowest of the low and shouldn't be given the airtime. Quite often they don't refer to them as a club but a brand. That just about sums it up! I really hope they appoint Giggs, Scholes has now arrived. I see similarities with Dirty Leeds post Revie. We can but pray they go the same way!  |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 23, 2014 10:57:26 GMT
Fuck all to do with Stoke! Shit bin!!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 11:02:11 GMT
Fuck all to do with Stoke! Shit bin!!!!!! It's relevant - they're our mid-table rivals now.  |
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Post by metalhead on Apr 23, 2014 15:01:48 GMT
OK, so perhaps I'm going against the grain with this post, but I have to say I feel for David Moyes quite a lot. David Moyes comes across a very honest, decent man. Someone who believes in his way and speaks openly and honestly about his problems. A nice guy, his reputation now lies in tatters. Nobody wanted David Moyes to fail. We all wanted Man Utd to fail. We wanted their plastic fans to have a taste of real failure and look at how they've dropped off. Watching a genuinely decent man crumble in the way he did, fall under the pressures of failure as his problems mounted up is not something I wanted to see. As the Internet mocked the poor bloke, it was clear by the end that he was in pain. His dream was dying and he was powerless to stop it.
The way it's been handled is quite shambolic from the self-titled 'club with morals, dignity and respect'. The club who likes to place themselves above Chelsea and Manchester City in the class category, avoiding all underhand undignified maneuverings of those 'lesser clubs'. The club who claim to set the bar for others to aim for have shown what they're really about.
Respect? Pfft, what respect? Perhaps it's the times we're living in? The Internet age. The Sky Sports age. This Twitter Twatter smartphone ridden 5 inch touchscreen ADHD Pepsi Coca-Cola advertising shoved so far down your fucking throat age. Whatever it is. I want out of it right this minute.
While David Moyes apparently sat in his office on Monday, working on transfer dealings, Manchester United, were cynically leaking information out to the press, that he was about to lose his job. Rumours were circulating around Twitter that Moyes was about to lose his job. The BBC, practically confirmed it on 5Live the night before. In what other profession does that happen? How can it be morally acceptable for a man to lose his job via Twitter? How can those oily cunts in the press know the fate of a mans job before he does? It's downright disgusting from Man Utd, a club who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal. Well boys, your reputation is shot now. It takes years to build up a reputation, and seconds to lose one.
If Moyes isn't humiliated enough by his performance at Man Utd, then the way he has been sacked has well and truly put the cherry on top for the poor bloke.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 23, 2014 15:27:35 GMT
Most people in football knew that following fergie was doomed to fail
Moyes took the money and the challenge knowing this, his tactics have been terrible, he spent 28m on Fellini knowing the guy had a 25m release clause. He immediately dump years worth of loyalty, knowledge and man utd way by sacking Whelan and Rene
He had plent of time to address the transfer situations and buy a decent defender
Man utd have denied leaking anything (probably lying) but the guys performance ensured the axe was coming
No sympathy at all
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2014 20:34:27 GMT
OK, so perhaps I'm going against the grain with this post, but I have to say I feel for David Moyes quite a lot. David Moyes comes across a very honest, decent man. Someone who believes in his way and speaks openly and honestly about his problems. A nice guy, his reputation now lies in tatters. Nobody wanted David Moyes to fail. We all wanted Man Utd to fail. We wanted their plastic fans to have a taste of real failure and look at how they've dropped off. Watching a genuinely decent man crumble in the way he did, fall under the pressures of failure as his problems mounted up is not something I wanted to see. As the Internet mocked the poor bloke, it was clear by the end that he was in pain. His dream was dying and he was powerless to stop it. The way it's been handled is quite shambolic from the self-titled 'club with morals, dignity and respect'. The club who likes to place themselves above Chelsea and Manchester City in the class category, avoiding all underhand undignified maneuverings of those 'lesser clubs'. The club who claim to set the bar for others to aim for have shown what they're really about. Respect? Pfft, what respect? Perhaps it's the times we're living in? The Internet age. The Sky Sports age. This Twitter Twatter smartphone ridden 5 inch touchscreen ADHD Pepsi Coca-Cola advertising shoved so far down your fucking throat age. Whatever it is. I want out of it right this minute. While David Moyes apparently sat in his office on Monday, working on transfer dealings, Manchester United, were cynically leaking information out to the press, that he was about to lose his job. Rumours were circulating around Twitter that Moyes was about to lose his job. The BBC, practically confirmed it on 5Live the night before. In what other profession does that happen? How can it be morally acceptable for a man to lose his job via Twitter? How can those oily cunts in the press know the fate of a mans job before he does? It's downright disgusting from Man Utd, a club who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal. Well boys, your reputation is shot now. It takes years to build up a reputation, and seconds to lose one. If Moyes isn't humiliated enough by his performance at Man Utd, then the way he has been sacked has well and truly put the cherry on top for the poor bloke. Moyes was an abject failure from start to premature end, did well with Everton but the shit job was far to big for him, Fergie must shoulder some responsibility for recommending Moyes in the first place, however the fault lies with Moyes ultimately he took on a job that was out of his league so to speak, his ego must be massive if he thought he was going to be a success at the shit so in my opinion he deserves everything that goes with failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 20:37:56 GMT
OK, so perhaps I'm going against the grain with this post, but I have to say I feel for David Moyes quite a lot. David Moyes comes across a very honest, decent man. Someone who believes in his way and speaks openly and honestly about his problems. A nice guy, his reputation now lies in tatters. Nobody wanted David Moyes to fail. We all wanted Man Utd to fail. We wanted their plastic fans to have a taste of real failure and look at how they've dropped off. Watching a genuinely decent man crumble in the way he did, fall under the pressures of failure as his problems mounted up is not something I wanted to see. As the Internet mocked the poor bloke, it was clear by the end that he was in pain. His dream was dying and he was powerless to stop it. The way it's been handled is quite shambolic from the self-titled 'club with morals, dignity and respect'. The club who likes to place themselves above Chelsea and Manchester City in the class category, avoiding all underhand undignified maneuverings of those 'lesser clubs'. The club who claim to set the bar for others to aim for have shown what they're really about. Respect? Pfft, what respect? Perhaps it's the times we're living in? The Internet age. The Sky Sports age. This Twitter Twatter smartphone ridden 5 inch touchscreen ADHD Pepsi Coca-Cola advertising shoved so far down your fucking throat age. Whatever it is. I want out of it right this minute. While David Moyes apparently sat in his office on Monday, working on transfer dealings, Manchester United, were cynically leaking information out to the press, that he was about to lose his job. Rumours were circulating around Twitter that Moyes was about to lose his job. The BBC, practically confirmed it on 5Live the night before. In what other profession does that happen? How can it be morally acceptable for a man to lose his job via Twitter? How can those oily cunts in the press know the fate of a mans job before he does? It's downright disgusting from Man Utd, a club who like to put themselves on a moral pedestal. Well boys, your reputation is shot now. It takes years to build up a reputation, and seconds to lose one. If Moyes isn't humiliated enough by his performance at Man Utd, then the way he has been sacked has well and truly put the cherry on top for the poor bloke. Moyes was an abject failure from start to premature end, did well with Everton but the shit job was far to big for him, Fergie must shoulder some responsibility for recommending Moyes in the first place, however the fault lies with Moyes ultimately he took on a job that was out of his league so to speak, his ego must be massive if he thought he was going to be a success at the shit so in my opinion he deserves everything that goes with failure. He couldn't really turn it down once it was offered to him. If his ego had been bigger he might've been a success. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2014 20:50:32 GMT
Moyes was an abject failure from start to premature end, did well with Everton but the shit job was far to big for him, Fergie must shoulder some responsibility for recommending Moyes in the first place, however the fault lies with Moyes ultimately he took on a job that was out of his league so to speak, his ego must be massive if he thought he was going to be a success at the shit so in my opinion he deserves everything that goes with failure. He couldn't really turn it down once it was offered to him. If his ego had been bigger he might've been a success. Why couldn't he, he has a relatively safe job at Everton as far as it goes he was at his level, would you take a job that you were not qualified to do ?, I know I wouldn't I have turned jobs down that I knew I would struggle to carry out efficiently sometimes you have to accept your limitations, he failed on all levels simply because he was not up to the job that he accepted, I have no sympathy for him and in most other job he would not be compensated with huge amounts of money for being that wank at your job you were sacked end of. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2014 21:00:20 GMT
He couldn't really turn it down once it was offered to him. If his ego had been bigger he might've been a success. Why couldn't he, he has a relatively safe job at Everton as far as it goes he was at his level, would you take a job that you were not qualified to do ?, I know I wouldn't I have turned jobs down that I knew I would struggle to carry out efficiently sometimes you have to accept your limitations, he failed on all levels simply because he was not up to the job that he accepted, I have no sympathy for him and in most other job he would not be compensated with huge amounts of money for being that wank at your job you were sacked end of. If he'd turned it down he'd have been ridiculed for lacking ambition. You never know until you try. Of course, he was unqualified and was a dreadful appointment but when you get that kind of opportunity you have to back yourself, even if others won't. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 23, 2014 21:52:40 GMT
Why couldn't he, he has a relatively safe job at Everton as far as it goes he was at his level, would you take a job that you were not qualified to do ?, I know I wouldn't I have turned jobs down that I knew I would struggle to carry out efficiently sometimes you have to accept your limitations, he failed on all levels simply because he was not up to the job that he accepted, I have no sympathy for him and in most other job he would not be compensated with huge amounts of money for being that wank at your job you were sacked end of. If he'd turned it down he'd have been ridiculed for lacking ambition. You never know until you try. Of course, he was unqualified and was a dreadful appointment but when you get that kind of opportunity you have to back yourself, even if others won't. Turned out well then, like I said know your limitations, he obviously had ambitions above his station ended the way it should have done, he tried he was predictably not good enough end of, complete predictable failure fuckin funny while it lasted though the chosen one my arse. |
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Post by salopstick on Apr 23, 2014 22:14:47 GMT
And the good thing is he has set that club back a few years
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Post by lastoftheldk on Apr 23, 2014 22:43:36 GMT
Ryan Giggs, caretaker manager,  , mates rates, there's going to be more fun yet |
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 23, 2014 23:35:02 GMT
David moyes is a tactical genius. Don't buy that. I thought he did a good job at Everton on a limited budget, but could never understand why he persisted with Fellaini, who is talented but very inconsistent, poor team man, and discipline liability. Martinez replaced Moyes at Everton, let Fellaini go for £27+m, and has improved the performance of Everton plus raised more revenue (£6m?)selling Jelavic. So who is the better manger? I suspect Ferguson knew Moyes would have problems with stroppy players and impatient fans, who expect ManU to win everything. Hence the reason he was so strident about them supporting Moyes when he took over. I also suspect Baines knew that ManU's dressing room was not a place to be, no matter what was on offer. IMO Moyes has had the same problem at ManU that Clough had at Leeds; a group of arrogant over-rated players that have won the Prem and don't want to take orders from someone who has achieved less as a manager. |
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Post by mailman44 on Apr 24, 2014 2:40:07 GMT
Well I love seeing the plastic cunts being exposed for the two bob fans that they are. Compared with the faithful down at Fratton Park .... Well there is no comparison ...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 7:06:29 GMT
If he'd turned it down he'd have been ridiculed for lacking ambition. You never know until you try. Of course, he was unqualified and was a dreadful appointment but when you get that kind of opportunity you have to back yourself, even if others won't. Turned out well then, like I said know your limitations, he obviously had ambitions above his station ended the way it should have done, he tried he was predictably not good enough end of, complete predictable failure fuckin funny while it lasted though the chosen one my arse. Yeah, he's failed, as was predictable. He shouldn't be blamed for trying. If everyone 'knew their limitations' and never tried anything then we'd all still be living in fucking caves. |
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2014 7:16:33 GMT
Turned out well then, like I said know your limitations, he obviously had ambitions above his station ended the way it should have done, he tried he was predictably not good enough end of, complete predictable failure fuckin funny while it lasted though the chosen one my arse. Yeah, he's failed, as was predictable. He shouldn't be blamed for trying. If everyone 'knew their limitations' and never tried anything then we'd all still be living in fucking caves.  , perhaps I should have phrased it abilities rather than limitations, like I have said he should have known the extent of his abilities and whether he could take the shit job on successfully, he did not he failed miserably and was sacked in humiliation deservedly what has any of this to do with living in fucking caves, would you take on a job that you knew you could not do just because someone offered it to you ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 12:02:18 GMT
Yeah, he's failed, as was predictable. He shouldn't be blamed for trying. If everyone 'knew their limitations' and never tried anything then we'd all still be living in fucking caves. , perhaps I should have phrased it abilities rather than limitations, like I have said he should have known the extent of his abilities and whether he could take the shit job on successfully, he did not he failed miserably and was sacked in humiliation deservedly what has any of this to do with living in fucking caves, would you take on a job that you knew you could not do just because someone offered it to you ? Maybe he didn't think he couldn't do it? The smart money wasn't on him succeeding, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a go. If you're a manager you have to believe in yourself or what's the point? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 12:06:41 GMT
, perhaps I should have phrased it abilities rather than limitations, like I have said he should have known the extent of his abilities and whether he could take the shit job on successfully, he did not he failed miserably and was sacked in humiliation deservedly what has any of this to do with living in fucking caves, would you take on a job that you knew you could not do just because someone offered it to you ? Maybe he didn't think he couldn't do it? The smart money wasn't on him succeeding, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a go. If you're a manager you have to believe in yourself or what's the point? He was thought to be getting itchy feet at Everton and possibly wanted a bigger job but maybe not quite so big as the United job at that point. But if you're thought to be in the hunt for a bigger job and then Fergie comes knocking, what do you do? He was in an impossible position and had to take it or be damned for lacking in ambition. Just my thoughts on what might have happened. |
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Post by onionman on Apr 24, 2014 12:14:37 GMT
Maybe he didn't think he couldn't do it? The smart money wasn't on him succeeding, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a go. If you're a manager you have to believe in yourself or what's the point? He was thought to be getting itchy feet at Everton and possibly wanted a bigger job but maybe not quite so big as the United job at that point. But if you're thought to be in the hunt for a bigger job and then Fergie comes knocking, what do you do? He was in an impossible position and had to take it or be damned for lacking in ambition. Just my thoughts on what might have happened. He'd have saved himself a lot of embarrassment and heartache if he'd tackled his itchy feet with a bottle of Athlete's Foot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2014 12:17:30 GMT
He was thought to be getting itchy feet at Everton and possibly wanted a bigger job but maybe not quite so big as the United job at that point. But if you're thought to be in the hunt for a bigger job and then Fergie comes knocking, what do you do? He was in an impossible position and had to take it or be damned for lacking in ambition. Just my thoughts on what might have happened. He'd have saved himself a lot of embarrassment and heartache if he'd tackled his itchy feet with a bottle of Athlete's Foot. I knew I should have said "looking to move on from..." |
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 24, 2014 14:37:46 GMT
He was on a hiding to nothing. The squad needed a major overhaul which should have started before he went to them making the job much harder. I think he made a mistake by clearing out most of the old coaching staff. He should have kept at least one on for continuity. Injuries didn't help but only further highlighted how poor the squad was.
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Post by crapslinger on Apr 24, 2014 15:59:48 GMT
, perhaps I should have phrased it abilities rather than limitations, like I have said he should have known the extent of his abilities and whether he could take the shit job on successfully, he did not he failed miserably and was sacked in humiliation deservedly what has any of this to do with living in fucking caves, would you take on a job that you knew you could not do just because someone offered it to you ? Maybe he didn't think he couldn't do it? The smart money wasn't on him succeeding, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't have had a go. If you're a manager you have to believe in yourself or what's the point? That was my point about his ego in the first place, he was about the only person who did think he could do it, he has proved to the world that he is unable to handle a job of this size by abjectly failing at the shit, in doing so he has succeeded in humiliating himself, was it worth the risk, as I have said before realise your own abilities/limitations as Moyes should have done. |
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, perhaps I should have phrased it abilities rather than limitations, like I have said he should have known the extent of his abilities and whether he could take the shit job on successfully, he did not he failed miserably and was sacked in humiliation deservedly what has any of this to do with living in fucking caves, would you take on a job that you knew you could not do just because someone offered it to you ? 
