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Post by cheekymatt71 on Apr 22, 2014 12:59:28 GMT
Hughesy won't go there. Poisoned chalice! I think most managers would go there given the opportunity yeah exactly. Even if they fail and get sacked after 6 months they generally walk away with enough money to never need another job. Its one of those weird world scenarios where you can make more money if you fail. A bit like banking really.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Apr 22, 2014 13:13:57 GMT
That takes the cake, where's Michael Appleton? He went from having lots of managerial jobs and being linked with lots to disappearing. Appleton in i say! Pmsl @ Johan Boskamp being on the list.
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Post by thestatusquo on Apr 22, 2014 13:19:21 GMT
They'll have to go for a big name. They can't afford another season like this.
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Post by partickpotter on Apr 22, 2014 13:24:42 GMT
Feeble is exactly the word I'd use. Part of the Fergusson legend at Man Utd is how the club stood by the manager in very difficult times early in his tenure; by early I don't mean the first year but the first 4 or 5 years. The lesson was that backing your manager through tough times produces results in the long term. Takes some balls to do that though - the easy option is to sack the manager. Which is what they've done, and why the word feeble is entirely appropriate. That's not invariably the case though is it? Sometimes you just have to admit you made a mistake and start again. Of course - sometimes you have to cut your losses. I'm not convinced at all that is the case here. A poor first year for Moyes was always likely, although not as poor as it has turned out. I think they've bottled it! Can't prove it of course - just a detached opinion. But, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it!
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Post by nononsense on Apr 22, 2014 13:40:58 GMT
Just when you think football cannot get any more idiotic or anymore pretentious, Moyes gets sacked Unbelievable !!
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Post by britsabroad on Apr 22, 2014 14:40:50 GMT
I think two things got him..
1 - results, obviously. The same group of players won the league at a canter 12 months ago. He's got them in 7th miles from the CL spots. 2 - his plan, or lack of it. Never looked like he had any kind of vision or plan for how he wanted to build the team. He just looked lost from Day 1 and the team looked like they hadn't a clue how they were supposed to be playing.
He can have no complaints really.
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Post by salopstick on Apr 22, 2014 14:46:11 GMT
It wasn't a poor year though it was a disasterous year. I bet finishing out the top 4 was never considered
A resurgence Liverpool Everton and spurs pushing hard
7 into 4 won't go, the club look at this and think how the hell can Moyes attract players.
They need a top name in to attract the players to try and get back in CL - Moyes won't cut it
I still think it's great for football
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:20:12 GMT
Just when you think football cannot get any more idiotic or anymore pretentious, Moyes gets sacked Unbelievable !! idiotic and pretentious to sack a manager who at best can finish 20 points behind the points total of pretty much exactly the same team that was there last year? a team that have been in the CL every single season since 1995 and won't even make the europa league this year? a team that have lost more matches in this 1 season than they did in about the last 4 combined? a team that have none of the pace, tempo, guile or team spirit that they had last year? regardless as to whether or not Fergie left a Prem winning squad in place (which in my view he certainly didn't), Moyes has completely changed the foundation of the previous Man Utd. side which is tempo and taking the game to the opposition. Moyes has ALWAYS been a defensive manager (the main gripe of many Everton fans over the last 10 years as they wanted him to go out and build on a lead rather than sit back on it) and you cannot even come close to competing for the Prem by playing that way. he's spent over 60 mill on 2 players that weren't good enough (in the case of Fellaini) or weren't necessary (in the case of Mata). it's all well and good to say this is the wrong move in the hope that by taking a "Controversial" stance people will think you therefore must know loads about football, but how exactly could anyone think that Moyes would turn this around given the way he has always managed at Everton and the huge amount of mistakes he has made this season? yes, i feel sorry for him because he's one of football's good guys (rare to find nowadays) but there is literally no evidence whatsoever to say that he could turn this back around and get Man United competing for the Prem again. yes, he was given an aging squad but the players he brought in to change that were the wrong players completely and the style he's employed is 100% wrong for them as a team. nothing idiotic or pretentious about sacking him at all....whether we like it or not, Man United are one of the biggest clubs on the planet and NEED to be competing in the top competitions to keep them there. next season they won't be and consequently will not be getting the A-list players they would usually be going for simply because they are not a CL side. they need someone who will stop the rot now and get them back on an even keel so they can start signing the big money players to rebuild their squad....Moyes' name will not be an attraction to those players, playing in just the Prem and no european glory for a couple of years will not be an attraction to those players. even if you take into account the ageing squad etc. Moyes has still not done a particularly good job in any way this year, they should be competing with the top 4 every year(and are one of the rare sides where saying that isn't a delusion)not competing with (and failing at that as well) the likes of Spurs and only sitting a few points above Southampton.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 15:38:03 GMT
That's not invariably the case though is it? Sometimes you just have to admit you made a mistake and start again. Of course - sometimes you have to cut your losses. I'm not convinced at all that is the case here. A poor first year for Moyes was always likely, although not as poor as it has turned out. I think they've bottled it! Can't prove it of course - just a detached opinion. But, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it! I really think it was. Moyes wasn't a Manchester Utd manager - he looked lost, his public pronouncements were the cringeworthy claims of a little boy lost, and the teams he put out were full of the caution of his Everton teams and devoid of the swagger of old. He signed Mata and shackled him with a wide role, spunked five million more than he needed to on Fellaini and took the champions to 7th in the league. He wasn't qualified for the job. Shame for him, if funny for the rest of us.
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Post by dexter97 on Apr 22, 2014 16:03:11 GMT
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Post by retired1 on Apr 22, 2014 17:08:34 GMT
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Post by fortressbritannia on Apr 22, 2014 17:36:06 GMT
SKY SOURCES: Phil Brown has been entering a tanning saloon in the Salford area.
More to follow shortly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 17:44:56 GMT
Staggering, especially when add on the £70.8m a year just to service the debt and the loss of not being in the champions league (around £40m a year with the new BT deal) Being out of the champions league for a few years could really cost them, and it's going to be even tougher to get in there next season with at least 7 teams competing for the top 4 spots. What a shame
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2014 17:47:54 GMT
With a war chest of £200million over the next couple of transfer windows, who in the right mind would give it to Moyes?
Completely wrong appointment, smacks of indulging the previous manager.
Hilarious. Another British manager failing at the top level.
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Post by blackpoolred on Apr 22, 2014 18:03:59 GMT
Fergie will be giving Strachan a call as we speak
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Post by starkiller on Apr 22, 2014 18:04:11 GMT
People see it as failure but he succeeded as soon as he got the deal.
6 year pay-off. Feck me.
You can laugh at him or feel sorry for him all you like.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2014 18:07:17 GMT
People see it as failure but he succeeded as soon as he got the deal. 6 year pay-off. Feck me. You can laugh at him or feel sorry for him all you like. There is no way on earth he will get his contract paid off. There will be all sorts of clauses. Not qualifying for the CL would be one. He'll get amazing money all the same.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 22, 2014 18:11:02 GMT
Regarding British managers, the best manager in the PL over the last 25 years was British. If Mourinho had been in charge at Stoke and Pellegrini at Palace, I doubt neither team would have finished any higher in the league.
There are plenty of good British managers around, in fact Scotland has produced some of the worlds best ever managers.
David Moyes failed over ten months at United, but that doesn't make him a bad manager and if you look below the PL there are a number of good young managers around.
In the PL currently there is Lambert, Pardew, Hughes, Pulis, Allardyce, all good managers.
We shouldn't run our own players and managers down, in my opinion.
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Post by adi on Apr 22, 2014 18:14:05 GMT
I thought Everton had played in Europe under Moyes, about 10 years ago, but did badly.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2014 18:16:23 GMT
Regarding British managers, the best manager in the PL over the last 25 years was British. If Mourinho had been in charge at Stoke and Pellegrini at Palace, I doubt neither team would have finished any higher in the league. There are plenty of good British managers around, in fact Scotland has produced some of the worlds best ever managers. David Moyes failed over ten months at United, but that doesn't make him a bad manager and if you look below the PL there are a number of good young managers around. In the PL currently there is Lambert, Pardew, Hughes, Pulis, Allardyce, all good managers. We shouldn't run our own players and managers down, in my opinion. All of those are good managers but none of them are good enough for Manchester United. Put in a very top job, they would fail. Rodgers is the only British manager who is tactically aware enough to cut it at the top and I have my doubts about him. He needs to do it over several seasons.
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 22, 2014 18:21:26 GMT
I think Hughes could be successful at United, of course no manager will ever repeat the Ferguson results, and that is the problem.
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Post by slogger on Apr 22, 2014 18:22:25 GMT
Don't feel for him at all his pay off will be fucking huge 5 years remaining on his contract .
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Post by geoff321 on Apr 22, 2014 18:25:05 GMT
That's true slogger, but I can't imagine what the guy must be feeling, first getting one of the top jobs in football, and losing it after ten months, he must be devastated.
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Post by Pugsley on Apr 22, 2014 18:26:57 GMT
That's true slogger, but I can't imagine what the guy must be feeling, first getting one of the top jobs in football, and losing it after ten months, he must be devastated. Like I said he won't get his contract paid off. That no mark Bevan from the LMA is negotiating his pay off as we speak. Saying that, i wouldn't mind 10% of what he'll get.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 18:42:42 GMT
Moyes isn't a bad manager, he's a very very good one. Just not good enough for Manchester Utd.
The best British managers generally get their chance at a big club at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 20:21:06 GMT
Still - nobody talking about the players who let him down so badly - a complete bunch of shytehawks one and all - in my book - hardly mentioned
and you should not need fucking 'motivating' IF you are on £300k / week - THAT should be enough!
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Post by salopstick on Apr 22, 2014 20:28:17 GMT
Still - nobody talking about the players who let him down so badly - a complete bunch of shytehawks one and all - in my book - hardly mentioned and you should not need fucking 'motivating' IF you are on £300k / week - THAT should be enough! Or he inherited a past it evra, vidic and rio A never will be smalling, cleverly, Welbeck, jones An aging giggs and no scholes An injured RVP Add that to failure to recruit properly and his shit negative tactics
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2014 20:31:34 GMT
The post above merely confirms my point = 'they' were not good enough NOT the manager of whom I think:-
A very good manager shit on by his players and an impatient club full of backstabbing, spineless, corporate 'suits' who only see their own immediate bonus's / share allocation going down the fucking toilet
remember what Sir alex said not 12 months ago ---- 'its your job now to back him'
yeah right
I hope they go fucking bankrupt
or
employ some dutch 62 year old 'John Wayne lookalike' to totally spunk their £200m war chest down the toilet
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Post by adri2008 on Apr 22, 2014 21:38:26 GMT
Moyes is a good manager but was always a mis-match for Man Utd really. He's an underdog style of manager in much the way Pulis was/is. Still if they were going to go with him, they should have allowed him to have a reasonable amount of time to build his team.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 22, 2014 21:46:23 GMT
Moyes isn't a bad manager, he's a very very good one. Just not good enough for Manchester Utd.The best British managers generally get their chance at a big club at some point. I disagree, I think it was just unfortunate timing for him.
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